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Bigotry is so destructive


Crash suspect's ex-teacher says he idolized Hitler, Nazism

 

 DAKE KANG and DAN SEWELL,Associated Press 3 minutes 0 seconds ago 

 

FLORENCE, Ky. (AP) The young man accused of plowing a car into a crowd of people protesting a white supremacist rally was fascinated with Nazism, idolized Adolf Hitler, and had been singled out by school officials in the 9th grade for his "deeply held, radical" convictions on race, a former high school teacher said Sunday.

James Alex Fields Jr. also confided that he had been diagnosed with schizophrenia when he was younger and had been prescribed an anti-psychotic medication, Derek Weimer said in an interview with The Associated Press.

In high school, Fields was an "average" student, but with a keen interest in military history, Hitler, and Nazi Germany, said Weimer, who said he was Fields' social studies teacher at Randall K. Cooper high school in Union, Kentucky, in Fields' junior and senior years.

"Once you talked to James for a while, you would start to see that sympathy towards Nazism, that idolization of Hitler, that belief in white supremacy," Weimer said. "It would start to creep out."

Police charged Fields with second-degree murder and other counts for allegedly driving his silver Dodge Challenger through a crowd of protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, on Saturday, killing a 32-year-old woman and wounding at least 19 other people. A Virginia State Police helicopter deployed in a large-scale police response to the violence then crashed into the woods outside of town and both troopers on board died.

The 20-year-old Fields had been photographed hours earlier carrying the emblem of Vanguard America, one of the hate groups that organized the "take America back" campaign in protest of the removal of a Confederate statue. The group on Sunday denied any association with the suspect, even as a separate hate group that organized Saturday's rally pledged on social media to organize future events that would be "bigger than Charlottesville."

The mayor of Charlottesville, political leaders of all political stripes, and activists and community organizers around the country planned rallies, vigils and education campaigns to combat the hate groups. They also urged President Donald Trump to forcefully denounce the organizations, some of which specifically cited Trump's election after a campaign of racially charged rhetoric as validation of their beliefs. Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced late Saturday that federal authorities would pursue a civil rights investigation into the circumstances surrounding the crash.

Weimer recalled that school officials had singled out Fields when he was in 9th grade for his political beliefs and "deeply held, radical" convictions on race and Nazism.

"It was a known issue," he said.

Weimer said Fields left school for a while, and when he came back he was quieter about politics until his senior year, when politicians started to declare their candidacy for the 2016 presidential race. Weimer said Fields was a big Trump supporter because of what he believed to be Trump's views on race. Trump's proposal to build a border wall with Mexico was particularly appealing to Fields, Weimer said. Fields also admired the Confederacy for its military prowess, he said, though they never spoke about slavery.

As a senior, Fields wanted to join the army, and Weimer, a former officer in the Ohio National Guard, guided him through the process of applying, he said, believing that the military would expose Fields to people of different races and backgrounds and help him dispel his white supremacist views. But Fields was ultimately turned down, which was a big blow, Weimer said. Weimer said he lost contact with Fields after he graduated and was surprised to hear reports that Fields had enlisted in the army.

"The Army can confirm that James Alex Fields reported for basic military training in August of 2015, said Army spokeswoman Lt. Col. Jennifer Johnson. "He was, however, released from active duty due to a failure to meet training standards in December of 2015," she said.

Fields' mother, Samantha Bloom, told the AP late Saturday that she knew her son was going to Virginia for a political rally, but she had no idea it involved white supremacists.

"I just told him to be careful," she said, adding she warned him that if there were protests "to make sure he's doing it peacefully."

"I thought it had something to do with Trump. Trump's not a white supremacist," said Bloom, speaking from the condominium in Maumee, Ohio, where she had lived with her son until he moved out a few months ago.

In photos taken before the rally, Fields was shown standing Saturday with a half-dozen other men, all wearing the Vanguard America uniform of khakis and white polo shirts. The men held white shields with Vanguard America's black-and-white logo of two crossed axes. The Confederate statue of Robert E. Lee was in the background.

The photo was taken about 10:30 a.m. Saturday just hours before authorities say Fields crashed his car into the crowd at 1:42 p.m. The Anti-Defamation League says Vanguard America believes the U.S. is an exclusively white nation, and uses propaganda to recruit young white men online and on college campuses.

In a Twitter post, the group said it had handed out the shields "to anyone in attendance who wanted them," and denied Fields was a member. "All our members are safe an (sic) accounted for, with no arrests or charges."

In blog posts after the violence, the Daily Stormer, a leading white nationalist website that promoted the Charlottesville event, pledged to hold more events "soon."

"We are going to start doing this nonstop," the post said. "We are going to go bigger than Charlottesville. We are going to go huge."

Saturday's chaos erupted as neo-Nazis, skinheads, Ku Klux Klan members and other white supremacist groups arrived for the rally. Counter-protesters were also on hand, and the two sides clashed, with people throwing punches, hurling water bottles and unleashing chemical sprays. Officials have not provided a crowd estimate but it appeared to number well over 1,000.

Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe declared a state of emergency, police in riot gear ordered people out of the streets, and helicopters circled overhead. Then, as the counter-protesters marched a few blocks from the statue, the Dodge Challenger tore into the crowd, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer as she was crossing the street.

Hours later, the helicopter crashed, killing two state police troopers, Lieutenant H. Jay Cullen, 48, and Berke M.M. Bates, one day shy of his 41st birthday.

Trump criticized the violence in a tweet Saturday, followed by a news conference and a call for "a swift restoration of law and order."

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides," he said.

The "on many sides" ending of his statement drew the ire of his critics, who said he failed to specifically denounce white supremacy and equated those who came to protest racism with the white supremacists.

Trump "needs to come out stronger" against the actions of white supremacists, McAuliffe told reporters at the First Baptist Church in Charlottesville on Sunday. "They are Nazis and they are here to hurt American citizens, and he needs to call them out for what they are, no question."

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Associated Press writers Alan Suderman in Richmond, Virginia; Heidi Brown in Charlottesville, Virginia; Claire Galofaro in Louisville, Kentucky; John Seewer in Maumee, Ohio; and AP News Research associate Monika Mathur in New York contributed to this report.



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Very sad tale.

How do you tell when someone's brain snaps, & what can you do ?...

No pleasantries in cleaning-up a mess like that.

Certainly more disturbing is the knowledge that there's plenty more people out there like this.

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This kind of thing is exactly why I don't drive a Dodge.



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Pressure mounts on Trump to address race-fueled clash

BEDMINSTER, N.J. (AP) As President Donald Trump remained out of sight and silent, pressure mounted from both sides of the aisle for him to explicitly condemn white supremacists and hate groups involved in deadly, race-fueled clashes in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Trump, who has been at his New Jersey golf club on a working vacation, was set to make a one-day return to Washington on Monday to sign an executive action on China's trade practices. But he will likely be unable to escape questions and criticism for his initial response to the Saturday's violence, for which he blamed bigotry on "many sides."

His attorney general, Jeff Sessions, said Monday the incident in which a car plowed into a group of counter-protesters, killing one person, "does meet the definition of domestic terrorism in our statute."

He told ABC's "Good Morning America": "You can be sure we will charge and advance the investigation towards the most serious charges that can be brought, because this is an unequivocally unacceptable and evil attack that cannot be accepted in America."

Sessions said he expects to hear more from Trump on the matter after meeting with him Monday, as well as officials from the FBI.

"We will not allow these extremist groups to obtain credibility," Sessions told "CBS This Morning."

In the hours after the incident, Trump addressed the violence in broad strokes, saying that he condemns "in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."

Speaking slowly from his New Jersey golf club while on a 17-day working vacation, Trump added: "It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump. Not Barack Obama. It's been going on for a long, long time."

The White House statement Sunday went further. "The president said very strongly in his statement yesterday that he condemns all forms of violence, bigotry and hatred and of course that includes white Supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazi and all extremist groups." It added: "He called for national unity and bringing all Americans together."

The White House did not attach a name to the statement. Usually, a statement would be signed by the press secretary or another staffer; not putting a name to one eliminates an individual's responsibility for its truthfulness and often undercuts its significance.

Trump's top advisers later struggled to explain Trump's position, offering different responses.

Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, said Sunday that he considered the attack to be terrorism. On Saturday, Trump had not responded to reporters' shouted questions about terrorism.

"I certainly think anytime that you commit an attack against people to incite fear, it is terrorism," McMaster told ABC's "This Week." ''It meets the definition of terrorism. But what this is, what you see here, is you see someone who is a criminal, who is committing a criminal act against fellow Americans."

The president's homeland security adviser, Tom Bossert, defended the president's initial statement by suggesting that some of the counter-protesters were violent, too. When pressed during a contentious interview on CNN's "State of the Union," he specifically condemned the racist groups.

The president's daughter and White House aide, Ivanka Trump, tweeted Sunday morning: "There should be no place in society for racism, white supremacy and neo-nazis."

Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Democrat, said he spoke to Trump in the hours after the clashes and that he twice told the president "we have to stop this hateful speech, this rhetoric." He said he urged Trump "to come out stronger" against the actions of white supremacists.

Republicans joined Democrats in criticizing the president for not specifically calling out white nationalists. Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colo. said on NBC Sunday that "This isn't a time for innuendo or to allow room to be read between the lines. This is a time to lay blame."

White nationalists had assembled in Charlottesville to vent their frustration against the city's plans to take down a statue of Confederal Gen. Robert E. Lee. Counter-protesters massed in opposition.

Alt-right leader Richard Spencer and former Ku Klux Klan member David Duke attended the demonstrations. Duke told reporters that the white nationalists were working to "fulfill the promises of Donald Trump."

Trump's initial comments drew praise from the neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer, which wrote: "Trump comments were good. He didn't attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us. ... No condemnation at all." The website had been promoting the Charlottesville demonstration as part of its "Summer of Hate" edition.

Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signer, a Democrat, slammed Trump's stance toward hate groups, saying on NBC's "Meet the Press" that he hopes Trump "looks himself in the mirror and thinks very deeply about who he consorted with."

"Old saying: when you dance with the devil, the devil doesn't change, the devil changes you," Signer said.

Trump, as a presidential candidate, frequently came under scrutiny for being slow to offer his condemnation of white supremacists. His strongest denunciation of the movement has not come voluntarily, only when asked, and he occasionally trafficked in retweets of racist social media posts during his campaign. His chief strategist, Steve Bannon, once declared that his former news site, Breitbart, was "the platform for the alt-right."

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I am curious PowerStroker, what if these protestors were blocking traffic and otherwise being "uncivil" in their protest? While I don't have access to all the videos of the accident it's clear to see these people who claim to be innocent protestors were blocking traffic and seemed pretty hostile to me. What if the driver of the Dodge feared for his life at some point in trying to navigate the roads? 

Wasn't there recently laws passed thanks to BLM that allow a person who is caught up in a protest to run over protestors who are blocking the road? We see this stuff all the time where protestors somehow think their cause is more important than the rights of others to navigate freely on public roadways. The person who died in this tragedy was white, so I don't see how this is a race issue and depending on what actually happened the driver may have been justified in his actions. We have all seen these liberal movements cause serious civil unrest and in my opinion if this crowd of protestors engaged the driver of the vehicle in any way that threatened his safety, then it's clear that these irresponsible protestors who were blocking traffic and instigating a riot may also be responsible for this!

We have all seen how liberal protestors try and get away with breaking the law and trampling others rights while protesting! It's to the point that people are sick of it! These people should go protest in a park, OFF THE ROAD! Nothing worse than trying to navigate traffic and having some angry mob of people blocking the road, damaging cars and otherwise being uncivil because they feel their cause is more important than other peoples right to not give a fu@k about their cause! It's time we start asking serious questions, like why were these people even in the road!? Even a kid knows you don't play in the street or you risk getting hit by a car!

Oh, and anyone who might want to try the bleeding heart "race card" -

Oh yes PowerStroker! Bigotry can be so very destructive! 

 



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I was also wondering PowerStroker, did the counter protestors have a permit to assemble? Or did they just decided to create a flash mob and block city streets? "Unite the Right" was the only group there that had a permit to assemble.

What do you have to say about this PowerStroker? Do you think it's okay for protestors to assemble in ways that impede traffic or otherwise puts in danger innocent people who are just trying to carry on productively with their lives on public streets? What are your feelings on this?



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Interesting, it's almost as though this struck a personal nerve with you.

I was simply curious about which protest you would have been a part of If you felt so inclined. There was a conservative white pride protest going on, and there was a liberal counter-protest.

So which one would you have been more sympathetic to?

A vehicle is driven into a group of protesters demonstrating against a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va., on Aug. 12, 2017. (Photo: Ryan M. Kelly/The Daily Progress via AP)

 



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I didn't feel so inclined, as I was not there!

I am not taking any sides, I agree with the President that both sides are getting pretty out of hand with regards to the protest.

I will say this, I know someone in the family who got caught up inside a car trying to navigate such a protest and it ended very badly for them. The only thing they did wrong was trying to drive home! Look at how they are blocking the streets! That $hit has got to stop! If I felt threatened by a mass of people I'd try plowing them over before sitting there and getting assaulted! What about you PowerStroker?



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Nope, I would never plow through a crowd of humans.

That is not an acceptable solution ever. I'm surprised you seem to think it is.

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Rest in peace Heather Heyer.



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Bode says it's not tragic to die doing something that you love...

That said, it's a real shame someone died and I don't know all the details because I don't even watch TV other than what I see in clips here and there on the internet.

It's clear this person who died was not a real threat, and it's a shame because there were some pretty mean looking hombres in that mix. 

Probably because you're from a fairly "pussy" part of the country you don't understand what it means to roll up on a big pack of bad hombres intent on doing your vehicle and it's occupants harm. You might change your mind if we ever make it out to Hamtramck for lunch... Just know that if we have to roll over a pack of bad hombres the Corvette is only made of fiber glass... We may need to get a good rolling start if we plan on punching thru an angry mob of rioters or zombies. 



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So you think the plowing through a crowd would have been ok if only minor injuries were sustained?

Pedestrians always have right of way regardless of any issued permits, and in this country there is a Constitutional freedom of assembly anyway, so I think your justifications for this act are weak. What concerns me more, is that you even try to justify it at all.

This wasn't some accident. If you had been following the news, you would see it was the intentional slaughter of liberals by a right wing Neo-Nazi. And this is only the latest in a very long list of murders and atrocities on the part of the white nationalist movement.

I imagine you would have more outrage if one of the Black Lives Matter people plowed through a crowd of KKK members or other such Trump supporters.

I'm worried about you Rex, I'd hate to see you ever get in such trouble, because I enjoy our talks and would miss them.

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Used to be that protestors would line the street with their signs as cars drove past to get their message across... Now days these protestors seem to think they can block roads and cause civil unrest... That is bull$hit..

And FYI - a permit is required to assemble people together in large numbers in public parks and such due to the need for security and such. People are fed up with the liberal tactic of "Flash Mobs" with the sole purpose of causing gridlock and trouble.

If liberals want to play in the street then they should know they run the risk of getting hit by a vehicle, even though they have the right of way to cross the road, they do not have the right to close them!



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Nor do conservatives have the right to murder, but I guess you're less worked up about that?

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DONALD TRUMP TO SPEAK AT HATE GROUP'S ANNUAL EVENT, A FIRST FOR A PRESIDENT

 

President Donald Trump will be the first sitting president to address the Family Research Councils Values Voter Summit, which the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) described as a rogues' gallery of the radical right. 

Trump will be the keynote speaker at Friday's event, which will also be attended by his former strategist, Steve Bannon. Other speakers include the founder of anti-Islam group ACT for America and former Trump strategist, Sebastian Gorka.

The anti-LGBTQ Family Research Council, labeled as a hate group by the SPLC, has hosted its annual summit since its inception in 2006.

"Values voters have waited eight years for a leader who puts America's mission first and respects the values that made America into a great nation, the council's president Tony Perkins said in a statement reported by The Hill.

Values voters are coming to our nations capital thankful to hear from a president who is fulfilling the promises that he campaigned on. Since the early days of the campaign, President Trump allied himself with values voters, promising to put an end to the eight years of relentless assault on the First Amendment, he added.

No other sitting president has ever taken the decision to address the summit, although Trump has spoken before the conference on three previous occasionseven during his presidential election campaign.

Speaking of the presidents decision to attend this years 12th annual event, SPLC President Richard Cohen told The Independent: By appearing at the Values Voter Summit, President Trump is lending the legitimacy of his office to a hate group that relentlessly demonizes LGBTQ people and works to deny them of their equal rights.

"His appearance puts the lie to his campaign promise to be a friend to the LGBTQ community. Bigotry is not an American value, and our president should speak out against it, he added.

Trumps attacks on the LGBTQ community have not gone unnoticed, with the president rescinding Obama-era protection for transgender students that allow them to use the bathroom that matches the gender they identify with. Trump also suggested a ban on transgender troops in the military, and failed to recognize Pride Month or National Coming Out Day, unlike his predecessor.

The group organizing the summit has previously commented on homosexuality. Family Research Council believes that homosexual conduct is harmful to the persons who engage in it and to society at large, and can never be affirmed. It is by definition unnatural, and as such is associated with negative physical and psychological health effects.

It is not clear what topic Trump will address during his speech, but the groups overwhelmingly negative attitude towards the LGBTQ community has prompted questions about whether a president should be attending a day of glorified hate speech.



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Im still a little bent out of shape about how I was treated at a Las Vegas Trump International property..

Apparently they have a hard time there telling the truth.

We can add Trump International Las Vegas to the list of places Im banned.. Along with all LV Caesers properties.



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What happend at his hotel?

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Im still a little bent out of shape about how I was treated at a Las Vegas Trump International property..

Apparently they have a hard time there telling the truth.

We can add Trump International Las Vegas to the list of places Im banned.. Along with all LV Caesers properties.


 

Security issues SELLC ?...

( Does your Trump Gold Card offer any concessions when you stay at one of these hotels ? )...

Las Vegas & it's people will be messed-up for quite a while I'd guess.

Since the L.V. shootings, here in Oz, the National Security Agencies & the Government are pushing through laws, that will soon have everyone's photgraph & face-recognition ID in a live screening operations, where every-time you pass a fixed camera on-the-street, you are monitored...Of course, this exists & has done for years, but not interlinked nationally, & likely internationally.

Big Brothers Eyes have grown yet another dimension. And this s*** didn't even happen here...



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What happend at his hotel?


 

Glad you asked PowerStroker, and I really wanted to make sure that when I did reply that all the facts could be presented in the proper order because it is VERY odd to get treated this way at a Las Vegas Casino and it was just limited to poor service at Trump International... I also had major problems at the Flamingo too! I am probably going to make a thread about the poor Las Vegas experience and I will probably use this response as a template (just a heads up).

So here is how it all went down in Las Vegas,

We arrived in Las Vegas and stayed at Trump Internationals Las Vegas since we got in rather late - say 10pm... We booked the room and checked in at a cost of $270.02 .. Everything went great, had a good time however Trump International Las Vegas is pretty far from the main strip and does not have a Casino or any kind of entertainment or bars in it! After having to walk 1/2 mile to the Wynn hotel to get the Vegas experience we decided to give the Flamingo a chance since it was only $100 per night with taxes included. The rooms at the Flamingo were not the greatest, actually somewhat worn and dated but they had charm and we didn't plan on spending our time in the hotel anyway, we just wanted somewhere with close proximity to the main strip. The stay there at the Flamingo was fine also, without issue, however upon visiting the Bellagio's "Prime" steak house they didn't have anyone at the front counter and we didn't feel like waiting so it somewhat bothered me considering we really wanted to eat there. 

The next morning we took off for California, Hollywood to be exact. Then Beverly Hills and other hot spots in LA. Toward the end of the night we decided that we rather get a hotel on the ocean since I had never been on a West coast beach. We headed to Santa Monica area and found a place on Google nearby for the "Hotel California" and booked two rooms online. When we got to the Hotel California their front office was closed! LOL, so we had to sleep in the Corvette in Santa Monica because we could not check in! Then in the morning they told us they would have our room by 10am so we waited a little longer... Come 10am they said that it could be 4pm before they could check us in! At that point I just decided that in that amount of time we could be back to the good life in Las Vegas without all the traffic of California so we left California knowing the south and the north were on fire and things weren't working out well for us there.

Upon arriving in Las Vegas the second time we booked a room at the Flamingo for two nights online with Priceline. Same deal only a few bucks cheaper. We pulled into the reception area and were greeted by this hotel valet that claimed we could not park there. I explained to the guy we had a room and we were just checking in and my wife had to use the bathroom. He insisted we park on the 3rd floor of their parking garage a few blocks away and carry our stuff back! Now mind you, the time before we parked there, unloaded our stuff and checked in without issue. So I asked the guy to get us his manager... To make a long story short, I parked there for an hour, arguing with the managers about it until finally I got Priceline on the phone and made the manager issue a full refund. I still can not figure out what their problem was but I knew any Hotel that would argue with me for an hour rather than get me checked in wasn't somewhere I wanted to stay. It was ridiculous and even the guy at Priceline could not believe what he was hearing!

So now I needed to get another room and I called up Trump International and they agreed to match their online rates in the hotel, I just had to come in to set it up. I did that, and booked the room for 3 nights at a cost of $700 with only one catch, they could not get me in until 7am since it was already nearing 4am. This sounded reasonable so I agreed and then went back out on the Vegas strip for awhile and retuned at 7am to have the same guy tell me that unless I wanted to pay an additional $200 for yesterdays rate that I'd have to take a handicapped room without the "jet tub". That didn't sit right with me and I got a little upset, as this was the third time in a row I was dealing with screwed up hotel reservations and poor service. They were being pretty arrogant and cocky about it so I just told them forget it! At this point I was finished with Las Vegas but I was exhausted trying to figure out if I could even make the drive out of the state... After leaving I decided to call the hotel manager at Trump International Las Vegas and he only made things worse by upsetting me further, to the point I called him a faggot. Obviously this is what caused him to claim I was banned from Trump International Las Vegas, but I guess it really didn't matter anyway because they were effectively screwing up my vacation over something that was a non-issue. 

So, having not slept in a bed in close to 72 hours I limped out of Las Vegas with coffee in hand and drove out of the state. 

I really am upset with all three of the Hotels... It seriously messed up the last leg of the vacation! And no one really seemed to give a $hit... I was actually quite shocked because Las Vegas was supposed to be a place where customer service was paramount. It wasn't that I didn't want to pay my fair share, it's just that in each case the service was so poor that rather than fix a problem they just wanted to argue about insignificant things, things that ultimately cost these three hotels about $1500, which I put right back in my pocket. So it's their loss in terms of revenue, but I can't help but feel like I really got the shaft too... This was my vacation! 

So, I don't know.. Where did I go wrong? 

 



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