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Post Info TOPIC: DACA more important than CHIP to Democrats #SchumerShutDown
Which is more important? [3 vote(s)]

CHIP
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DACA
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DACA more important than CHIP to Democrats #SchumerShutDown


Ok... let's get this straight...

Currently there are almost 9,000,000 (nine million) United States CHILDREN that are on CHIP

Yet Democrats shut all that down and put 700,000 DACA immigrant children before that of our own!

OMG!

WTF!?

 



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Brown people are currently under attack, Babies are not.

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Maybe the government when it starts working again, can incorporate the expenses involved with the refugees before they invade, destroy, & liberate(?) a country through a war that no-one asked for or wanted ?...

Mr.Trump & his empire owns & rents over 25,000 rental properties....Maybe his humanitarian side can accommodate these refugees since he destroyed their lives & homes ?

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This forum has turned into a liberal shithole...

 

 



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Well...Well...Well...

Guess the poll here is representative of much of the fake news that we encounter every day... 

Appears that CHiP is more important than DACA as Schumer was hat in hand, bending a knee as they come to their senses that Americans don't and never will understand their putting illegal immigrants before our own country men, women and children.



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The dreamers didn't commit the illegal act, their parents did. Shall a child be punished for the sins of the parent?

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Give me a break!

If someone stole your car, then sold it to someone else, would that mean the stolen car was no longer yours just because the guy who bought it didnt know it was stolen? Would it cease to be illegal?

The answer is NO! 

 



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"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc.

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I understand that PowerStroker and no one is saying we shouldnt take in immigrants!

But there is a right way and a wrong way! We can only take in so many people, or risk being of being over-run!

There are people trying to get in the USA the proper way and I think these people have more right to be here than people who try to sneak in and stay illegally, even if they are kids / dreamers! Many of the dreamers know they are here illegally and probably had to help their parents conceal that fact. 

Youd like to make it seem like its not a big deal but Americans saw first hand under Obama how these home proud illegal immigrants act if left unchecked - they start forming their own towns where they ban the US flag and fly their own. All sorts of this craziness like safe spaces and partisan schools! Fuck that! 



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Did you know that the Obama administration deported more people than Bush? And yet President Obama saw a need to allocate those resources toward the deportation of adults who willingly broke our laws, and to let the people who came as young children through no fault of their own (dreamers) be put on the back burner since deportation resources are limited.

Exactly what is wrong with that? Besides the fact that it is a policy implemented by the brown guy and Trump instinctively has to burn down every single Obama policy whether it's good or not.

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What was the point of spending all that money to deport the adults when the moment they get off the bus they start walking back into the USA?

That is exactly what was happening! Obama deported more people because more people than ever before flooded into the USA with all of Obama lax policies and freebies!

I'd rather see American kids getting more than less... I am sorry if that bothers you PowerStroker, but included in that group of kids are black, white, yellow and in between... 



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SELLC wrote:

What was the point of spending all that money to deport the adults when the moment they get off the bus they start walking back into the USA?

That is a separate issue, worthy of discussion sure, but lets not confuse the issue at hand.

That is exactly what was happening! Obama deported more people because more people than ever before flooded into the USA with all of Obama lax policies and freebies!

I would submit that it is a problem with lax punishment of illegal employers, a problem that predates Obama or Bush. But since we have identified the real problem, maybe Trump should be spending more time punishing illegal employers than dreamers?

I'd rather see American kids getting more than less... I am sorry if that bothers you PowerStroker, but included in that group of kids are black, white, yellow and in between... 

Have you been wronged by a dreamer?


 



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I wonder what 10% of your defense budget a year is ?....

And I wonder how much of this problem would be solved with that amount of $$$ ?

Your ex-military-servicemen & women could do with some help too...Apparently they account for over 25% of all your countries homeless people...And 19 of these ex-service-people take their own lives every day...

How do you expect your crap government to look after the people they displace through unwanted wars, when they can't even look after the soldiers that went to an unwanted war ?...

When Mr.Trump is collecting SO MUCH MONEY a DAY from rent, casino's, golf courses, hotel rooms, secret deals with over-seas persons etc etc, why doesn't he lead-the-way, & provide from his excess holdings, the needs of the many ?...I'm sure he could afford to build some 1/2-way housing, to help fellow Americans get on their feet again ! And that's out of his own pocket, not yours in taxes...

A great leader leads from example, & self sacrifice. There are few ( if any ) in world today.



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Oh give me a break Mr. Christmas Island.. Trump donates his pay from our government, thats a sacrifice.

And PowerStroker, the wall is not a separate issue. Its part of the same problem that got us here, but nice try.



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Dreamers were never the problem, no matter how much satisfaction you get from deporting them to a land they never knew.

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The average age of Dreamers enrolled in DACA is 24 years old. Those 25 and younger make up two-thirds of active DACA recipients 29% are ages 16-20 and 37% are ages 21-25. About a quarter (24%) are ages 26-30, while one-in-ten (11%) are ages 31-36. (No DACA recipients are older than 36 because the program required applicants to have entered the U.S. before their 16th birthday and have been under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012.)

DACA didn't even exist prior to 6 years ago! PowerStroker, you try so hard to make it seem like these are all kids but they are not... And just look at the numbers

Mexico is by far the top country of origin for active DACA recipients (548,000), followed by El Salvador (25,900), Guatemala (17,700) and Honduras (16,100). A significant number of DACA recipients also hail from Peru (7,420), South Korea (7,310), Brazil (5,780), Ecuador (5,460), Colombia (5,020) and Argentina (3,970).

Mexico makes up half a million of the DACA population! Yet you'll sit here and say a wall isn't important!?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/25/key-facts-about-unauthorized-immigrants-enrolled-in-daca/



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You are still grouping Dreamers with the Mexicans who willingly came as adults. You really need to differentiate the two, and we really need to set separate policies for dealing with the two.

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confuse

Can't read today PowerStroker?

Mexico is by far the top country of origin for active DACA recipients (548,000)



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What is your point?

There is a huge difference between the Mexican "Dreamers" who were brought here as children illegally by their parents, and the Mexicans who came here illegally as adults (who are not "dreamers").

The same standard should NOT be applied to both types of Mexicans, anymore than the punishment for involuntary manslaughter would be the same for murder one.

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What are you trying to say PowerStroker!?

confuse

That you want less Mexicans and more Norwegians? 



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No, I'm specifically talking about Mexicans only right now.

I'm saying that if we can't recognize that there is a significantly less amount of sin by the "dreamer" class of Mexicans who were brought here as children, and have pretty much only known the US as being their home... That in order to be classified as a dreamer they must have also have come forward and made themselves legally vulnerable by so doing - which they did. If we can't realize that if anyone should be given a fast track to legal citizenship it would be them, and the very reason they came forward is because a legal path is exactly what they were seeking, and what a prior administration offered...

If we paint them with the same broad brush as the Mexicans who came here as adults willingly breaking our immigration laws, and deport them as such without so much as a second thought, then that is the very definition of racism. Because it shows a lack of basic humanity. This shouldn't be a partisan issue at all, it's a human issue. And there are a lot of very good humans who have been here since childhood, served in our military, paid their taxes, and contributed to the betterment of America who are living in absolute terror right now. I just thought you should know.



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This is a slippery slope PowerStroker and what you suggest is a form of racism. Who are we to pick and choose in a situation like this? If we do wrong there is no "dreamer" protection for us to get special accommodations for breaking the law.

Wouldn't it just be easier, and LESS RACIST to just follow the law? Or does that reality make Obama's decision to enact DACA by way of EO look like the over-reach that it was? 

I am a little confused... but it's very interesting none the less - your line of thinking anyway. I myself prefer American's first as that's what the government is there for, isn't it? Sounds like President Trump is offering a "path" to citizenship which means whoever really wants to stay needs to swear their allegiance and become a citizen, otherwise they need to go back home. Seems pretty simple to me PowerStroker, kind of makes you wonder what these "dreamers" have been doing for the past 5 years!? Why weren't they getting naturalized in this "reprieve" time Obama gave them!? Oh yeah, that's right... They are all too busy protesting in front of Schumer's home...



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