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Citizenship to 2500 Iranians?


DID OBAMA GIVE AWAY U.S. CITIZENSHIP TO 2,500 IRANIANS?

Official: 'He claimed it was done as a favor'

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The Iran deal orchestrated by Barack Obama when he was president, by various estimates, might have cost the U.S. more than $33 billion in cash and gold.

And possibly its grip on the rogue nations potential for developing nuclear power.

Now theres a new report that Obama also gave up something that literally cannot be purchased with money: thousands of citizenships to Iranians.

Fox News is reporting the claim comes from Hojjat al-Islam Mojtaba Zolnour, in a report quoted by the countrys Fars News agency.

The estimated 2,500 citizenships to Iranians included members of the families of government officials.

Zolnour is chairman of Irans parliamentary nuclear committee. He made the claims while being interviewed by Irans Etemad newspaper, cited by Fars.

He claimed it was done as a favor to senior Iranian officials linked to President Hassan Rouhani, and he alleged the move sparked a competition among Iranian officials over whose children would benefit from the scheme, the report said.

It was the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action that Obama had Secretary of State John Kerry give to Iran.

Its the same plan that President Trump has condemned. He said the U.S. is pulling out.

 

But back in the Obama era, the JCPOA was promoted and touted as the solution to the nuclear ambitions of Iran, which has vowed to wipe Israel off the map.

The Iranian claimed, When Obama, during the negotiations about the JCPOA, decided to do a favor to these men, he granted citizenship to 2,500 Iranians and some officials started a competition over whose children could be part of these 2,500 Iranians.

If today these Iranians get deported from America, it will become clear who is complicit and sells the national interest like he is selling candies to America.

It should be stated exactly which children of which authorities live in the United States and have received citizenship or residency, he said in the interview.

Zolnour didnt not mention names, but Fox reported, Several children of current and former Iranian officials live in the United States, including Ali Fereydoun, whose father Hossein Fereydoun is the brother of and special aide to Rouhani; and Fatemeh Ardeshir Larijani, whose father Ali Larijani is speaker of parliament.

The State Department told Fox it was not going to comment.

It was talk radio icon Rush Limbaugh who revealed weeks ago that the agreement never even was signed.

Online, he posted an image of a State Department letter to Mike Pompeo, now secretary of State but a member of the House of Representatives back in 2015.

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) is not a treaty or an executive agreement, and is not a signed document. The JCPOA reflects political commitments between Iran, the P5+1 (the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia, China), and the European Union. As you know, the United States has a long-standing practice of addressing sensitive problems in negotiations that culminate in political commitments, he said.
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Limbaugh said someone should tell that idiot Colbert cause he was out calling it a treaty and how could Trump just unilaterally cancel it.

You realize the folly of this? Something that the Iranians didnt sign, the Obama administration said that doesnt matter! Whether they agree to it and abide by it is what matters. Why would they abide by it if they didnt sign it? he said.

He noted the Obama administration said the success would depend on the extensive verification measures but not only was Trump able to point out the flaws there, the document that includes the verification procedures, Limbaugh said, has no weight.

In the aftermath of the deal set up by Obama, reports revealed he may have gifted Iran an extra $33.6 billion in secret cash and gold payments between 2015 and 2016.

A spokesman for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, Mark Dubowitz, said Iran may have gotten as much as $33.6 billion in cash and gold.

That word came on the heels of revelations the U.S. gave Iran $1.7 billion in hard currency more than $400 million more than originally reported just prior to Iran releasing four American hostages.

The Obama administration delivered $400 million to Iran on Jan. 17, the day Iran agreed to free the Americans. Then, the U.S, presented Iran with two more installments totaling $1.3 billion on Jan. 22 and Feb. 5.

Top administration officials were adamant that the cash payments were the best way to ensure that Iran got immediate access to this money due to its ongoing difficulty accessing international funds still sanctioned by the West, the Free Beacon reported.

 



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The Nuclear Industry is a cartel of powerful & extremely wealthy people that operate internationally, & illegally too, as they are murdering everyone of us, & have done for many years now...

The Iran nuke deal has nothing to do with Mr.Obama, & everything with the Nuke industry. He inherited the issue.

Offering sanctuary to people in need is an honorable deed IMO, regardless of who is President at the time. ( It would be great to see some support for the Iraqi war victims IMO ).

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-- Edited by Rastus on Monday 2nd of July 2018 07:30:09 PM

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I could never trust Obama and I honestly tried! The absurdity of his efforts and ideals were devastating to US norms and every day he would think up something to piss me off in the news with. I still respect Obama for doing his job, as poorly as I might have perceived it, but I am sure he did his best - in his own mind. The guy still worries me which is why I follow him and Mr. Clinton on Twitter. 

That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if Obama gave citizenship to 2500 Iranians... They gave them billions in cash! What's 2500 green cards?

If it's a problem, it's only because Obama's team didn't do something right with the paperwork. No surprise here, did he ever turn in a budget on time once during his Presidency?



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DID OBAMA GIVE AWAY U.S. CITIZENSHIP TO 2,500 IRANIANS?


 ANSWER: NO, and if you cared about finding truth, that's what you'd find.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/trump-claims-obama-gave-citizenship-to-2500-iranians-during-nuclear-deal-talks/ar-AAzyPgl?li=BBnbcA1

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Just out that the Obama Administration granted citizenship, during the terrible Iran Deal negotiation, to 2,500 Iranians including to government officials. How big (and bad) is that?

President Trump, , July 3, 2018

This tweet packs a punch: Trump is suggesting that President Barack Obamas administration sweetened the Iran nuclear deal by granting U.S. citizenship to 2,500 Iranians, including government officials.

Trump has long derided the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). But this is a new line of criticism, coming nearly two months after Trump that the United States was withdrawing from the deal.

 

The 2015 agreement, negotiated by Obamas administration and other world powers, restricts Irans ability to pursue nuclear weapons. In exchange, Iran got broad relief from international sanctions. For now, Britain, China, France, Germany and Russia remain parties to the nuclear deal, along with Iran.

No part of the grants U.S. citizenship or legal resident status to Iranians. So where is Trump getting this explosive information, and does it hold up?

Trumps claim appears to have originated with Mojtaba Zonnour (also spelled Zolnour), a hard-line cleric and member of Irans parliament who has criticized the JCPOA and President Hassan Rouhani for striking the deal.

In June, Zonnour gave an interview to the Iranian newspaper Etemad, and his comments were then reported by Fars, the semiofficial news agency known for its ties to Iranian hard-liners.

Zolnour announced: Obama gave citizenship to 2500 Iranians / Some officials had competed for the citizenship of their children, .

Zonnour claimed the Obama administration granted citizenship to 2,500 Iranians, including family members of government officials, while negotiating the Iran nuclear deal and claimed it was done as a favor to senior Iranian officials linked to President Hassan Rouhani, according to , the day before Trumps tweet.

Zonnour further alleged the move sparked a competition among Iranian officials over whose children would benefit from the scheme, Fox News reported.

Trump said the Obama administration granted citizenship to 2,500 Iranians during the JCPOA negotiations, including government officials, but Zonnours claim is somewhat different, as Fox News reported. First, its unclear whether he was referring to U.S. citizenship or lawful permanent resident status (green cards). Second, Zonnours claim was that Iranian government officials competed to secure U.S. citizenship or green cards for their children, not for themselves. Trumps tweet glosses over those important nuances.

There are a few Iranians within the ruling establishment who have or had US citizenship or permanent residency, typically dating from the pre-revolutionary period, said , an Iran expert at the Brookings Institution. There are also Iranian officials whose children have found their way to US universities and stayed in the US, or married dual nationals and obtained residency or citizenship that way.

Given the longstanding estrangement between the US and Iran, the allegation alone is used as a smear, to impugn the patriotism and question the motives of rival officials by essentially accusing them of hypocrisy and ideological opportunism. So its not surprising that a politician who is critical of the nuclear deal would use this line of attack, especially in the aftermath of President Trumps dismantling of the deal, which has generated an intense backlash toward the proponents of the agreement.

In short, its possible Zonnour, a politician who opposes the Iran deal, was arguing that Rouhani gave away the store and was rewarded by Obama with an offer to give citizenship or green cards to the children of his supporters. After Trump announced the United States was leaving the JCPOA, Zonnour said Iran should resume high-level uranium enrichment unless Rouhani secures necessary guarantees from the remaining countries in the agreement, .

Trumps tweets are official statements, as the Justice Department in court. But the administration did not provide evidence to back up this claim. The White House did not respond to our request for comment. The Homeland Security and State departments didnt answer our questions.

We asked Ben Rhodes, who was a key figure in the Iran deal negotiations and deputy national security adviser to Obama, whether it was accurate to claim that 2,500 Iranians were given U.S. citizenship or green cards during the JCPOA negotiations.

I have never heard that figure before, Rhodes said. It is certainly the case that it was not part of the Iran deal.

Two senior Obama administration officials who had authority over immigration matters told The Fact Checker on the condition of anonymity that they had no knowledge of the Obama administration offering citizenship or green cards to 2,500 Iranians as part of the JCPOA negotiations. Both officials said the claim was highly implausible, since such an offer to Iran would have required high-level authorization and they had no indication that authorization was requested or given.

This is not something that would have been negotiated without it being super public at the time, one of the officials said. Theres no question that Iranians were coming to the U.S. as refugees, and they have been for a long time. There are high levels of political and religious persecution in Iran. We may have brought in some refugees that were government officials of some level. But somebody who was a government official would be subject to a very high level of scrutiny and in most cases would be barred from entering because of the connection to the regime.

In 2015, U.S. officials granted lawful permanent resident status to people born in Iran, and an additional Iranian-born people were naturalized, according to data from the Department of Homeland Security. Combining both totals, the United States gave citizenship or legal status to 2,223 more Iranians in 2015 than 2014. But the 2015 figures do not depart significantly from historical trends over the last 10 years, DHS data show.

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Word of advice: Portraying right wing propaganda as news makes one look really stupid. You are all capable of better, and I expect better. The fact that the right wing "media" would take the word of an Iranian political hack and publish it without any confirmation is astonishing, and should be a wake-up call to those who instinctively latch on to such lies. If your world view requires confirmation from lies, you probably need an entirely new world view.

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Thanks Powerstroker. I had posed it as a question, "did he"? Interesting fact there. Do you trust any one site over another for fact checking? I haven't tried them and have very little faith in snopes for one.

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Yeah, Snopes hasn't impressed me either. There's really not one single source of news I use. I generally stick to the big name ones that have full time investigative reporters on staff, and have rules about publishing that usually involve confirming a story with multiple sources. I've even become very skeptical about things that President trump tweets because he usually doesn't offer any proof, as was the case with this "story".

By only accepting as truth the stories published by the big outlets with rules and standards, I don't have to worry about the rantings of some Iranian cleric being portrayed as truth when it probably isn't. It seems the small partisan "news" outlets don't care about confirming a story so long as it fits their narrative. That's what we need to really watch out for, lest we start to believe things like Hillary ordering the murder of over 70 people to cover up some shady Democratic shit... Not that she was never involved in anything shady - because she probably was. But if we accept EVERY conspiracy theory against her as truth, then we have absolutely no credibility when it comes time to call her out on something real, or anyone else for that matter.

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Snopes is so small, partisan.

I haven't been that impressed with the big names lately either.

Why can't we get REAL news. Unbiased. Just facts.

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Shawnee_B wrote:


Why can't we get REAL news, unbiased, just facts ?...


 

Sometimes the "real" news, though devastating at times, needs a "headline or catch" to grab your attention...( I call it creative writing, others may call it BS ).

Also, since the press like to target people on an on-going, day-to-day feature, this creative writing lends itself to supporting the BS, along with grabbing your continued attention. And when you have multiple sources printing / reporting similar, & yet differing outcomes on the same story, your attention is grasped, & your search continues, until you are happy with your own results with the "truth".

I call this smoke-screening myself. It distracts you from not only doing something better for yourself, but hides the real things going on.

Surely when you have both a current & ex-President "Tweeting"-BS for all the world to see, you have classic deception tactics being used, yes ?...

Follow the BIG money around to see what's really on the agenda IMO, & that means regular viewing of World Nuclear News for a start, though maybe local / domestic issues need a different approach, but I don't bother with that stuff.

The more things change, the more they stay the same....Most folks are in debt with a mortgage etc etc, & so need to print BS to keep food on-the-table & bills paid.



-- Edited by Rastus on Wednesday 4th of July 2018 07:37:43 PM

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Wonder if licensing journalists would help at all. Fake news = lose license.

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Shawnee_B wrote:

Wonder if licensing journalists would help at all. Fake news = lose license.


 Good point, but once again, you'd be chasing-your-own-tail to find-out the truth, so that you could prosecute...( Picture a dog chasing its own tail going crazy )...

Check-out "Rupert Murdoch", & see what he may still own & run...Because when you have one owner of all the media outlets, you have a dictatorship determining the truth for y'all.

Independent News sources IMO offer the best contrast to the media-mogals, & perhaps, the truth lay somewhere in the middle...

It sure as hell ain't tweeted lol !



-- Edited by Rastus on Thursday 5th of July 2018 08:08:43 PM

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One of my dogs is good at chasing his tail. He's 14 1/2 can still get it!

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