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Reman PowerStroke Diesel Injectors F&%ing SUCK! Can you rebuild them?


A little less than two years ago I replaced a full set of injectors with some reman units. Now here it is less than a few years later and two of them have shit the bed!

Its funny how they go out right after the warranty. As mentioned before I am going to try and rebuild these injectors myself this time around using my cores. I find it really funny that the "So-Called" experts in here seem to think its beyond their skill. No one has come forward with the parts kits that are sold to rebuild them either.

Anyone else have this sort of problem with Reman Injectors?



-- Edited by SELLC on Sunday 27th of September 2009 09:42:19 PM

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RE: Reman Diesel Injectors F&%ing SUCK!


Well, wiener... since there are no parts commercially available that we can readily find... how would a "so called expert" rebuild something? Even you must realize that taking something apart and reassembling it with the same old crusty parts isn't exactly "rebuilding" anything.

A lot of injector failures can be directly attributed to fuel quality and/or fuel pressure.... But you keep reminding us that you are the expert... and we are some sort of corporate yesmen.

If you truly understood the mechanics of the HEUI injector..........

Yes... I have seen some bad remans... Yes..... I have seen some good remans.... but you would have known that being the expert, right?



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Wiener?

Lets just decode your little comment about there not being replacement parts available for these injectors.

If there were no replacement parts for injectors, then how in the hell does Ford or all of these other places specializing in the rebuilding of injectors do it?

What this proves is that despite all your chest beating about how much you "Claim" to know, you DONT KNOW shit when it comes to rebuilding Injectors. You dont even know where to find the kits to rebuild them! Some dealer tech you are! Guess it just goes to show that the Ford Dealer doesnt have a clue when it comes even the simple task of getting parts for an INTERNATIONAL engine, much less a CATERPILLAR Injector.

I think the truth speaks for itself. You are in no position to question my skill while working for Fords, because Fords dont have the upper hand when it comes to companies like International and Caterpillar whom supplied their engines for quite some time. If the truth hurts, then boo-hoo.

Meanwhile I will be looking for these rebuild kits, which you claim are not available, despite the fact that someone is rebuilding them every day.

So tell us Pogo, what sort of an Expert says something can not be done? Knowing that its already been done?



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Well, wiener... since there are no parts commercially available that we can readily find... how would a "so called expert" rebuild something? Even you must realize that taking something apart and reassembling it with the same old crusty parts isn't exactly "rebuilding" anything.


I recall reading somewhere here that this gentleman had access to ALL of Ford's manuals and literature. Certainly does not seem so from the statement above.

I too have had to replace many injectors on my 2004 Diesel truck, sometimes the same units twice! I even got a hard time from the dealership the last time around when one of them went out just 4 months after being replaced! They wanted me to pay a deductable however I refused payment and spent a lot of time arguing with the service manager to get the fee waived.

Is there something about these injectors that cause them to fail prematurely? Are there things I can do that will extend the life? They cost quite a lot of money to have replaced! I think many on this forum do not realize how much the labor is to perform a replacement of a faulty injector.

 

If they do not sell the parts to rebuild these units, then what have I been paying for?


 



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REX CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT SO NO WONDER THEY'RE SHIT!!!!! ANY COMPETENT TECH CAN INSTALL IT RIGHT, CHARGE THE RIGHT MONEY FOR LABOR AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT CROAKING ANY TIME SOON!!!!!

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Well, wiener... since there are no parts commercially available that we can readily find... how would a "so called expert" rebuild something? Even you must realize that taking something apart and reassembling it with the same old crusty parts isn't exactly "rebuilding" anything.


I recall reading somewhere here that this gentleman had access to ALL of Ford's manuals and literature. Certainly does not seem so from the statement above.

I too have had to replace many injectors on my 2004 Diesel truck, sometimes the same units twice! I even got a hard time from the dealership the last time around when one of them went out just 4 months after being replaced! They wanted me to pay a deductable however I refused payment and spent a lot of time arguing with the service manager to get the fee waived.

Is there something about these injectors that cause them to fail prematurely? Are there things I can do that will extend the life? They cost quite a lot of money to have replaced! I think many on this forum do not realize how much the labor is to perform a replacement of a faulty injector.

 

If they do not sell the parts to rebuild these units, then what have I been paying for?


 



Sam.. you and Rex seem to be cut from the same cloth.... what part of "commercially available" do you not understand?

Of course 'some' people can get them... Muck Fe... they BUILD the damned things, don't they? Now... you find me a supplier for parts.... because I can't find one. Fuck... and you guys are allowed to vote!!!!

As far as rebuilts are concerned.... Alliant is the name to look for... we've had good luck with these when we get them... but - we are a Ford store and.....


 



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I think you are getting your panties in a wadd.

There are kits to rebuild them, you just dont know or you dont want to say.

Another interesting thing would be the cost of such kits, and what all they include.

Seem the problems with these injectors are well known.

Ill keep looking, but since you are Mr. King Shit Dealer, I figured you would have better access to this information, after all that seems to be the "Bulk" of your claims on here, your vast access to information that us "independents" dont have. Certianly doesnt seem so in this case now does it?

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There is always an underlying root cause for multiple injector failures, and that root cause is never the injector itself.

As far as rebuild kits go, I know Alliant distributes injector parts to authorized rebuilders, but I am not aware of any that are available to dealers or independents.  Larry would actually be the best person to ask about this.

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and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.and that root cause is never the injector itself.




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Big Angry Hillbilly may be onto something here.

See two years ago my truck was subjected to deliberate contamination to the fuel system. Now I am thinking it may have been entirely possible for these contaminates to have contributed to the premature death of my injectors.

And to think all the time and money spent trying to get all the contaminates out. Multiple senors, complete fuel system service and or replacement, the whole nine yards and yet this problem has once again reared its ugly head!

What a pisser!

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These contaminates contributed to the premature death of my injectors.




Fixed that for ya.



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We dont know this for a fact.

Lets not get ahead of ourselfs. There is still a very good chance the design, much like the rest of them, are shit.



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Perhaps you should re-design them while you rebuild them Rex

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I'm still waiting on you boys to show ME something.

Anyone got the skill to open one of these babys up so we can see the guts? Yeah I know, the same thing keeps me from just busting one open, the damn things are worth almost $100 as a core (Depending).

Thats a tall order PowerStroker.

Ill have to think about that one.

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I've taken a few apart to see If I could find the damage. I've seen some with scuffed barrel and plunger assemblies, a couple with other internal component damage.

It was more of a curiosity since we don't rebuild them at the dealer level.

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The thread above ^^^^ is absolutly useless without photos!

I'm screaming Pic's or Ban! LOL biggrin


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Settle down dude, I'm off this week.  The next time I replace an injector I'll take it apart and shoot some pics.

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Self portrait Rex?

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Big Angry Hillbilly may be onto something here.

See two years ago my truck was subjected to deliberate contamination to the fuel system. Now I am thinking it may have been entirely possible for these contaminates to have contributed to the premature death of my injectors.

And to think all the time and money spent trying to get all the contaminates out. Multiple senors, complete fuel system service and or replacement, the whole nine yards and yet this problem has once again reared its ugly head!

What a pisser!




HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!!!!! A little sugar in the old tank there, Rex?

Man, it must suck being hated by so many people.

Also, this proves yet again you are a shitty mechanic. Blaming your mistakes on other people is always the easiest route. In your case, the only route.

 



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If I thought you had any clue WTF you are talking about, I might be offended.

As it stands you havent a clue.

It was the PO whom originally been contaminated. Then once again by an assosiate of the PO after it was taken and sunken in a mud hole.

Next time read, then respond.

You wont look so stupid.

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If I thought you had any clue WTF you are talking about, I might be offended.

As it stands you havent a clue.

It was the PO whom originally been contaminated. Then once again by an assosiate of the PO after it was taken and sunken in a mud hole.

Next time read, then respond.

You wont look so stupid.




It's not me that has the communication problem....


"See two years ago my truck was subjected to deliberate contamination to the fuel system."

Sounds like you changed your story to hide the real truth.



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What you fail to realize, because you havent read most of the threads in here, is that my truck was hit TWICE.

What I cant understand is where this contamination is hiding out, as thus I am starting to think its the Reman Injectors that are shit.

For something to last just 12 months past the warranty leaves me to thinking "Not so great". Then again I bet Fords would like to see regular replaement intervals on everything possible.

Are you starting to understand WHY I want to rebuild them? No I doubt you do, since you dont have a Ford PowerStroke Diesel .



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I don't need to own, nor would I want to own a Ford PowerJoke to understand the problem.

You see, diesel injection systems are very complex with lots of room to hide contamination. If the injection system was at one point contaminated with something such as sugar, the entire fuel system from tank to injectors would have to be rebuilt or replaced to ensure the contamination does not hide anywhere that it could come back and haunt you.



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Yes, thank you for that Ms. R, you have backed my original diag, however all of that stuff was done, but some how I am thinking these injectors are more at fault than the past contaminates. I would think all of them would have $hit the bed if it was contaminates, much like the last time. This time around only a few have gone south and its not smoking like it was back then either. Before you couldnt even get it to start, and when it did, OMG talk about the 007 smoke screen.

You really shouldnt knock the PowerStroke until you have tried one. Only I am allowed to rip on the PowerStroke engine in here LOL. No, but really they are a whole lot of fun. Nothing feels better than a properly running PowerStroke, its keeping it that way thats the trick (It has more to do with paying Ford for their replacement parts, but whatever). Having jealous idiots pouring crap in the tank doesnt help either.

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Rex, where did you get your reman injectors from.  I'm just wondering because I've heard mixed reviews about them depending on what company rebuilt them.

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I dont really know who re-did them. I purchased them from a guy whom claimed his truck sold and never installed them. He claimed to work for Fords too, saying they had a one year warranty. At first they were sweet as hell but it went down hill quick. I didnt have to pay a core charge so that alone closed the deal for me. They looked like brand new.

Now since a few have dropped like flies, I'm not about to walk into Motor City and tell them "Hey these things should be under warranty" because they would laugh me right out the door. Not to mention they are now two years old, and likley sat for awhile before I purchased them.

Really to be honest, its just like anything else. If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. I wouldnt mind trying it, and since its my truck I dont have any worries about the comeback factor.

 



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I haven't found any source for inj rebuild kits. I imagine there is special calibration equipment involved and thus only qualified rebuilders can get them. If you find otherwise let me know.

There is a place http://pensacoladiesel.com/index.php?target=categories&category_id=166
that rebuilds them and sells them cheaper than anyone else I've found, but I don't know how good they are. Maybe you should buy some of their remans and be our guinea pig.

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Reman PowerStroke Diesel Injectors F&%ing SUCK! Can you rebuild them?


I have heard of this Pensacola Diesel place also. They do seem to have some good prices. They also seem to offer performance injectors also. Some are rated at 60 HP and some upwards of 100HP and I am talking PER injector!

Still I am trying to get enough information to try it.


For people not aware how big a PowerStroke injector is, have a look.





-- Edited by SELLC on Sunday 27th of September 2009 09:54:14 PM

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As promised Rex, I disassembled a 6.0 injector today.  The funny thing is I left it disassembled and just stuck all the pieces in a bag inside the core return box.  I'm sure they have to take it apart anyway when they rebuild it so I figure I'm doing them a favor. 

Interestingly enough, I couldn't find anything damaged inside of it.  There were no degraded o-rings, or any scuffing in the barrel/plunger assembly.  None of the pieces were broken, the spool valve moved freely, and the electrical solenoids work fine.  I have no idea what was wrong with it, but replacing it resolved the concern with this vehicle. 





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WoW!

Your number number1.gif !

Very intricate. Did you have any problems getting it apart?

I really appreciate that inside view, thats really something.

Odd you werent able to find the fault, you figure it would just be obvious, but how did you check the solinoid?

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You know that photo is prolly one of maybe a FEW even out there. I tried for hours one night looking for a photo of one apart, or even a exploded view with NO results.

Good Job! %uck them bastards rebuilding them if they cant take a joke. If they say anything I would seiously suspect they are just replacing the electronics, however how deep down do they go?



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Your number number1.gif !

but how did you check the solenoid?



IDS inj buzz test verified the circuitry of both solenoids, and the audible clicking during the test also verified them working, as well as spool valve movement.

These injectors actually come apart really fast, reassembly takes longer and a steady hand so I skipped that part cause I'm lazy.

 



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I did a buzz test on mine the first time I replaced the injectors. The buzz test is a feature on the snap-on Modis as well. It was how I found out three of them were dead, and one on the way.

I didnt find any feature for the fuel contribution test on the Modis, however.

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What feature of the buzz test led you to condemning the injectors? Enquiring minds want to know....

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Pogo brings up a good point.  The buzz test can be used as an aid in determining the functionality of the electrical portion of the injector only.  It can be used to pass it, but to fail it requires a lot more than just a buzz test.  There's a lot of external wiring and modules involved in making the injectors buzz.  Failure to buzz doesn't necessarily indicate a problem with the injector.  The problem could be elsewhere, and often is.
Condeming an injector based on a buzz test alone is like visually inspecting a light bulb.  Sure - if the filament is obviously broken you can fail it based on that observation... If nothing is visually wrong with the filament can you pass it based on that observation alone???  The answer is NO.

Rex, I'm afraid Pogo is going to take you out to the woodshed and beat you like a redheaded step child over this one...  As well he should.

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Interestingly enough, I couldn't find anything damaged inside of it.  There were no degraded o-rings, or any scuffing in the barrel/plunger assembly.  None of the pieces were broken, the spool valve moved freely, and the electrical solenoids work fine.  I have no idea what was wrong with it, but replacing it resolved the concern with this vehicle. 


Pogo can eat shit. It is likely he is just drunk again, as usual.

I have one word for you PowerStroker.

Hypocrite! ( Read quote above )

I know why mine were bad, and I too fixed the problems. Are you jealous because I didnt need the spoon feeder to figure it out?

 

Once again, nice photos, however you havent the slightest clue WTF is going on inside that injector, neither does your butt buddy Pogo.

 

Have a nice day.

 



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Where exactly is the hypocracy in not being able to find the specific failure point in an injector that isn't rebuildable at the dealer level anyway?  Odds are whatever is wrong with it is a microscopic clearance issue somewhere inside that can only be found with special gauges only available to the contractors who rebuild them. 

I may not know exactly what internal component failed in that injector, but I know why it failed, I know how it works, I know some of the common failure areas with it, and I damn sure knew with 100% confidence that replacing it would resolve the symptom.  I knew because my diagnostics went far beyond the buzz test.  And I didn't stop with just replacing the injector - for doing so would amount to merely treating a symptom.  I diagnosed and repaired the root cause of the problem as well to avoid repeat injector problems in the future.  Look carefully at my pictures of the red box that the disassembled injector is laying on.  I question whether your diag ever treats more than just the symptom.  

You said yourself, your truck is having repeat injector issues... The one I fixed won't.



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You said yourself, your truck is having repeat injector issues... The one I fixed won't.


So your saying that since YOU installed the reman injector it will NEVER fail?

Thats a streach, and laughable at best.

Two and a half years down the road that truck you installed the injector on will be out of warranty, or if it wasnt under warranty its just a matter of time before another one fails.

Did you replace ALL the injectors PowerStroker? Or just the one or two that failed? You know damn well the injectors you didnt replace will start falling off one or two at a time. You also know damn well that your dealer, including yourself, will make more money in labor by replacing them one or two at a time, rather than doing the job right and replacing them ALL while you are in there. I see this all the time with coil packs and such where the manifold covering the back bank cost serious labor to replace such things. See this thread below,

http://autotrend.activeboard.com/index.spark?aBID=91042&p=3&topicID=12458459

That thread above is a good example of someone not replacing ALL of the coil packs at once while the intake was off. The end result was 6 months later he was paying me AGAIN to replace the other two on the back side that he wanted to roll the dice on. Trust me, removing the top half of a V8 SHO engine cost him more than just replacing them all to start with. Its quite clear why dealerships will offer to just replace one or two failing injectors, because its more money down the road for the dealer and the tech!

In this case the PowerStroke injectors on the 6.0 PowerStroke are much the same, but not a lot of people will spring for the entire set, the ones who do should be aware that the reman injectors dont last very long. I know this because I DO OWN a PowerStroke. Just ask Big Angry Hillbilly, even he admits that the lifespan of reman injectors now days last about as long as copper spark plugs on a gas engine.

Your customer will be back PowerStroker, maybe not to your dealer, but he will be back. After all he drives a 6.0 PowerStroke, you cant get a better guarantee than that.



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 So your saying that since YOU installed the reman injector it will NEVER fail?



 Nope, that's not what I'm saying.  I'm saying because I went beyond just treating the symptom... Because I addressed the underlying root cause for the failure that it won't fail again.  A monkey can hang injectors, it takes a technician to figure out why they fail and fix that root cause. 

By the way, this truck did get all 8 because the nature of the failure was such that the others were very questionable.  This is not always the case, some of the reasons for injector failures can be safely isolated to 1 injector, in this case however I advised the customer of the likelihood of needing more in the future and they opted to have me put in all 8. 

Getting back to the monkey vs technician thing.  It takes a real tech to understand all of the possible reasons for injector failures and determine which one caused the failure at hand, then determine if the issue is isolated to just one, or if all 8 are compromised.  Most importantly, a real technician makes sure to resolve the underlying root cause for the failure so any new parts aren't in jeopardy of becoming damaged for the same reasons as the old ones.   Monkeys on the other hand, are often "trigger happy" and over-repair with all 8 every time whether justified or not, and they often fail to address the root cause of the failure.  When this happens, they can always just start a thread on a cheesy website with a survey about reman injector quality and deflect any well deserved blame toward alleged parts quality issues, rather than looking in the mirror for a glimpse of where the blame really belongs.  

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I have been trying to give you the underlying problem with the injectors since the beginning of this thread!!!

They effing SUCK.

I would be inclined to buy into your bullshit claims of fuel quality, and other things that could cause them to go bad, IF THIS WAS AN ISSOLATED PROBLEM. This means that it would be "Rare" to have an injector fail.

What you dont understand is that given the nature of a diesel engine, and the reputation for long life, no one really gives a shit what Fords wants to say about Ceatene (sp?), or other such lubricants. TUFF LUCK to Fords. They can create all kinds of tools to de-bunk the fact that these injectors werent designed right, but the bottom line is these injectors, both new and remanufactured have been a WELL KNOWN and WELL DOCUMENTED PROBELM. Slews of them were replaced under warranty and now they are out of warranty they are really dropping off.

You may feel that this is "Normal" however on most engines, diesel or not, the injectors usually last 100's of thousands of miles before needing replacement. This is not the case on the PowerStroke engine. Given the huge amount of torque these trucks put out its entirely possible for people to be driving with a dead injector and not even know it. Its not until the 2nd, one goes and the 3rd one starts dropping that regular people start to take notice.

Bottom line is the injector is one of many weak links in the PowerStroke armor, and really no-one can deny that Fords makes hand over fist cash selling these Remanufactured/New parts, so I doubt this trend is going to fade in 2011 models,
except this time around you can bet that they will be damn sure the things at LEAST last past the warranty period.



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It's just a fuel pressure tester,  were not wearing lab coats and doing chemical analysis of the fuel or anything. 

Low fuel delivery pressure often kills these injectors... But thats not the only way to kill em.

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I understand that box shown in the photo is a fuel tester.

My point is these injectors should be lasting MUCH longer than they are.

If lack of fuel pressure is where you wish to divert the attention then provisions should have been instated to prevent such damage in the event of fuel starvation.

At the end of the day, regardless what you guys at the dealer want to think, the bottom line is you replace the Injector and the problem is solved, just as you have stated above. The underlying problem is the injectors design, simple as that.

I will agree that good maintanice and service can go a LONG way in keeping these injectors alive. but the sad truth is they are still prone to premature failure.



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If lack of fuel pressure is where you wish to divert the attention then provisions should have been instated to prevent such damage in the event of fuel starvation.

Fair enough, it would be nice if they were more robust against low fuel pressure issues.

At the end of the day, regardless what you guys at the dealer want to think, the bottom line is you replace the Injector and the problem is solved, just as you have stated above. The underlying problem is the injectors design, simple as that.

Well, you can replace the injector with a new one and if you don't cure the low fuel pressure issue it's just going to take out the new one.  I've also seen many 6.0 trucks with well over 100k on the original injectors that have survived because they have had their filters changed religiously, and maybe replaced the FPR for good measure somewhere along the line.  It is for these reasons that I tend to think the root cause is usually a fuel pressure or fuel quality issue.  Granted it would be nice if the injectors weren't so sensitive to those issues.  But I stand by my statement that if fuel quality is good, and fuel pressure is within spec under full load conditions, the injectors will usually last a long time.  Though it's worth noting that other systems can damage the injectors too.  If the hp pump starts to fail for example, it can push metal particles into the injectors... but that's not the fault of the injectors either, in that case, the root cause would be the hp oil system and replacing the affected injectors would again be only a tempory cure because it would be treating the symptom only and not the real root cause.




 



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The high pressure pump is not what I consider to be a comon problem. Sure they do go out, however not nearly as much as the injectors.

I just feel that the Injectors were not built FORD tuff.

Can you tell us what things Fords has done since to make them "Better" on the newer models?



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They went to a piezo common rail high pressure fuel system instead of HEUI

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They went to a piezo common rail high pressure fuel system instead of HEUI


Yes, you are absolutely correct.

We have spoken of the Piezo crystal injector in several threads here. We have spoken of how the Piezo crystal wafers are electrified and thus expand to deliver the force to open the injection valves inside the injector.

All that being said, and your own admission that nothing was visually worn, scratched or damaged to the naked eye when you tore down that injector, I think its safe to say that most of the problems with the injector are the solenoids. This is why they have gone to a Piezo crystal.

Now what I am asking you is this, "How many newer Piezo crystal injectors have you had to replace"?


 



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I've only replaced a few piezo injectors.  I've also only replaced a few sets of 7.3 heui injectors on very high mileage engines, and only a few individual 7.3 injectors.

Lots and lots of 6.0 injectors, though usually but not always, I've found it's something outside the injector that causes their failure ie: low fuel pressure, lack of oil changes ect.  Rarely have I ever  found a faulty 6.0 inj solenoid.



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Ford hasn't done fuck all with any of these injectors... the 6.0 and the 6.4 remain to be ITEC motors.... The 6.7... here is where we will see Ford being pro-active (or pray that they will).
Whether ITEC or anyone can deal with major changes to any injectors will depend on many other things... Who owns the patents on a particular injector... what do their contracts state vis-a-vis supply, development or other considerations...

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