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Obama's vacation costing tax payers $200 million per day?


Well it appears the President is going to shake off his parties massive losses in the mid-terms with a week long vacation to Asia. Many reports are beng made that the trip is costing tax payers $200 million dollars per day!

I guess the 2000-3000 people he is taking with them, and the fact the President and his team will be staying in the 5 star Taj Mahal, visiting the Istiqlal MOSQUE (No supprise there), while passing up on the Golden Temple Sikh because some claim his wearing of head covering might make some people think he is Muslim. LOL! C''mon everyone already knows Obama is a closet Muslim.

Some say Americans are paying a hefty price for Obama to see the festival of lights as many rightfully question what business he has going to such an event on taxpayer dime. If Obama was working for a corporation there would be no "Working vacation", he would be forced to just do his job and go home to his family. But this is Obama we are talking about! He does not work for us! We work for him!

Total waste of time and money if you ask me. They even pulled all the coconuts out of the palm trees where Obama was going to be visiting, so I guess it's safe to say the people there arent too happy about his visit either!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40033776/ns/politics-white_house

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Actually Rex, none of that is true. A real news story was even done about this, story as an example of how the right wing media/echo chamber doesn't have a mechanism to debunk lies.

The true cost of the trip is never released for security reasons, but it is NOWHERE near 200 million per day. The war in Afghanistan doesn't even cost 200 Million per day. The secretary of the US Navy even thought it was comical that even the idea of repositioning 10% of our fleet around India was even suggested.

Obama certainly travels with an entourage, but not one THAT big.

I really wish you would fact check things before posting them. I hope you start to realize the sources you use to obtain info about Obama have an agenda, and that agenda ain't the truth.

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Posting your video 3 times? I know...I know...I know... Two of them are in your signature.

1st off... Rachel Maddow is a lesbian cunt. 2nd... I can not gut more than 20 seconds of listening to her talk, let alone looking at her face. For the life of me I can not figure out why she is still on the air.

Now lets talk about the REAL ISSUE here PowerStroker! 200 Million dollars a DAY is a whole lot of fucking money and I trust that this figure is accurate and trying to be re-called by the left leaning media for VERY OBVIOUS REASONS.

40 Airplains, 870 Rooms (Some even at the 5 star Taj Mahal!), 2000-3000 people are going from the Obama camp, on top of the press (Who may or may not being paying for their trip depending on if they kiss and tell).

Is 10% of our war ships being sent to India? It's quite possible. They been planing this thing for months, yet this is the first I am hearing of some trade deal the Democrats have cooked up. Has anyone even got access to this trade agreement? Or is it so chock full of special intrest kick-backs for Obama that we need not view it?

No PowerStroker... It is quite possible this trip could be costing tax payers $200 million per day! Why it could not have just been a tele-confrince with todays modern web cam facilities is a good question. WHY DO WE NEED 2000 PEOPLE OVER IN INDIA? It takes 2000 people for Obama to sign a peice of paper? What about all the security cost, vehicle rentals, motorcades, food, drink and such?

YES IT CAN BE COSTING US 200 MILLION DOLLARS PER DAY TO SEND THE GOLDEN CHILD OVER THERE!!!!!! NOT ONLY THAT HE'S GOING TO BE THERE FOR A WEEK! So that would mean the REAL TALLY would cost us $1,400,000,000.00, for you people that don't know, thats 1 billion four hundred million bucks! The reason why they are not disclosing this information is because it would cause an up-roar! It already has caused an up-roar, and I bet Obama is just saying "Fuck the American Public, they know I am full of shit now so I better start getting mine!"

Let's also not forget Michelle Obama's little visit overseas. Another 5 star hotel that was bought out while she and all of her friends frolicked over there with tax payer security.

Let me ask you this PowerStroker... When your dealership sent you to go train for the new 6.7 PowerStroke engine, did Fords get you a 5 star hotel? Did they allow you to take along 3000 friends? Did they allow you to spend time visiting local fesivals or did they fly you home right aftewards?

Do you feel the President should be doing ANYTHING other than business while visiting other countries on tax payer dime?



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Answer me this then, If the presidents budget for travel...  Ah fuck, the entire White House budget isn't even 200 million dollars, so the only place he could come up with the cash to fund such a lavish trip would be a special appropriation by congress.  Can you please post a link to show how all of the members of congress voted on that appropriation - I challenge you.  I mean seriously, If you are convinced by your "sources" that such a congressional appropriation happened - and it would have had to otherwise such a trip would not be possible, then your "sources" should help you find a link to how members of congress voted on that expenditure.

I really think you should take a breath, and listen to the entirety of Rachel's 15 minute report... JUST THIS ONE TIME!!!

Pretty please - for PowerStroker

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You find a video made by someone other than Rachel Maddow and I'll watch it.

Rachel Maddow has ZERO credibility with me! ZERO!

There are some things I am willing to bend on, but not this one. Rachel Maddow is NOT a credible source for information. Hell you might as well be watching iCarley!

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Rachel said it best, sorry you dont like her, but on this issue of truth-the messenger is less important than the message. I wouldn't make such a big deal about this if I didn't think it was important.  It's not just 15 minutes of Rachel, it has lots of other intervews including a clip from the Pentagon's press conference where the Pentagon spokesman debunks the story.  You believe the Military don't you??? 

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PowerStroker wrote:

It's not just 15 minutes of Rachel, it has lots of other intervews including a clip from the Pentagon's press conference where the Pentagon spokesman debunks the story.  You believe the Military don't you??? 


Powerstroker, maybe YOU need to watch the video once more. The clip you speak of that was repeated over 5 times in the 60 seconds I watched NEVER DEBUNKED THE STORY!

What was said by the Penagon spokeman was "We do not disclose the dollar amount of Presidential trips".

THAT WAS IT!! So how in the WORLD can you say he debunked the story when he did not even answer the question? Gawd you people are desprate and SOOOOO exposed!

 



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That wasn't the Pentagon guy, that was CNN's Anderson Cooper.

You need to watch the WHOLE thing buddy boy

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CNN's Anderson Cooper dresses in military uniform now? Interesting. 

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Still waiting on the House and Senate supplimental appropriations information that allowed Obama an extra 200 Million dollars for his India trip.

One would have thought the Republicans would have fillibustered such a thing, or at least made it a campaign issue to showcase Obama's wasteful spending... If they did, you guys would be running the Senate too.

Just more proof it ain't true - though you could prove me wrong if only tou could produce the aforementioned info from Congress on the special $200 Million (PER DAY) supplimental spending bill.  It's all public record, so it should be really easy to find... Unless it doesn't really exist.

I mean seriously, It's not like money is minted in the white house basement, and Obama can go down there after hours with a wheelbarrow and take whatever he needs to bring a few thousand friends to India on a whim.  If Congress needs to approve re-naming post offices, it's not like something like this can happen without Congress.   Even your Michigan public school education should have informed you that Congress has the power of the purse.  NO department, or even branch of government gets a dime without congressional approval.  There is no way something like this would go un noticed untill after he was already in India.  Republicans would have been screaming about it for MONTHS beforehand if it were true - if for no other reason than it's a whole lot better than your argument about birth certificates and being a secret closet Muslim.

How about YOU show ME some proof that it's true from a credible news organization.  If you're soooooo convinced that it's true, you shouldn't have any problem doing so, because real reporters would love a story like this.

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Don't worry PowerStroker! There are Republicans right this very moment keeping close tabs on what it is actuall costing for Obama's vacation to Asia. The amount of $200 million per day must have been a safe estimate given the information and projections.

If anything, so long as this awarness keeps the Obama Administration from getting carried away it was worth it, don't you think?

Let me ask you this PowerStroker, what do YOU think Obamas vacation will cost tax payers per day by the time all is said and done? Just take a wild guess at what you might think the cost would be, and also let us know what you think would be an acceptable dollar amount to be.

If by the time all is said and done they ended up spending $120-175 million a day I think it would be safe to say the person who made the statments wasnt far off, and there was reason to question the amount spent.

For Obama, someone who campaigned on change and getting the economy back in gear people only expect him to walk his talk. No one is saying there isnt going to be cost involved in sending him overseas, but when it looks to be more of a vacation than work, Americans have a right to call him on it.

After all the American people arent hosing an intergalactic kegger for Obama and his overseas pals!

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The entire White House staff including cooks, maids, security, maintenance, ect is less than 500 people.

My guess is that everyone who went to India managed to fit on Air Force One. This would include the President's senior political staff and some assistants, Several Secret Service agents... Though some on the Secret Service advance team would have flown in earlier on a seperate plane-so I'll give you that one. The entire White House press core would be on board too - but taxpayers dont pay for them anyway - the media outlets who employ them do. Also in attendance would be the Air Force One flight crew, surgeon, kitchen staff. As well as the White house travel secretary and an assistant or two. It is possible that a cabinet secretary and/or some members of congress may have also been in attendance for trade negotiations. My guess is that the president actually traveled with a total of less than 150 people, and as I stated, not all of them are on the taxpayer dime anyway.

Now I know hotels arent cheap, nor is a ride on Air Force One, but if this trip costs $1 million more per day than the normal cost of running the Executive branch of the US government for the timeframe of that trip, I would be very surprised.





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So you are actually suggesting that everyone piled up on airforce one? Were you working for the Polish government at one time recently PowerStroker? Because you know that money saving idea didn't work out too well for them.

It's safe to say that at LEAST 10-20 planes were used. Let us not forget the military war birds that also tag along side. Let us not forget about all of the plane trips interstate that it took getting all of these people in one spot. Then as you mention all of the normal people who would normally be on 12 hour shifts getting overtime and possibly some additional pay for having to be gone for 10 days. Let us not forget the ride home, as some of these people will not be staying the entire 10 days.

With regards to the media, yes many of them are being paid for by the media outlets, but to claim they are all pilled up on Airforce one for an overseas trip like this is just laughable to me anyway.

Now there are also hotel expences, and other such things as security and paying local law enforcement for motorcades, trimming the coconut tree's ect. Not to mention cost for food, as the idea of airforce one sending out brown bag lunches for everyone is also laughable to me.

Also lets keep in mind he isn't just going to India, he is also going to Indonisia and Japan! Why in the hell he is going to Indonesia is beyond me, is there something pressing that merits this trip? Or is he just dying to get back to his homeland?

Also what about Japan? What pressing issue is going on there that needs him over there? It's clear to see there is a lot more expence to this whole thing than just Obama going to India, because from there everything above is X3 considering the intellagence and amount of money that went into planning this whole thing.

I think it's safe to say this little vacation was cooked up under his administration, and is a fine example of what kind of wastefullness has been going on. Many do not buy that his trade deals that brag up close to 52,000 American jobs compares to the millions of jobs we have already lost to India, and as of recent reports it appears as there is some disagreements over the trade deals. Are we to expect that Obama will just sign anything put infront of him just so he can say he got the job done? Even if it's bad for Americans? Kind of brings back memories of the healthcare law and how he has recently admitted that he rushed it thru without thinking.

So please PowerStroker, give this some effort. Let me know what is so important about Obama making a visit to Indonesia and Japan. Also please let me know why he has left to get a trade deal in the works without first making sure everyone was in agreement? Seems like this could just be a total waste of time, money and resources that if you include all the security, rooms, planning and secret service prep work could be costing us 200 million a day if the whole number was devided by the 10 days he will be gone. There is also a good chance bassed on his past craftmanship that he will sign just about any peice of shit trade deal, if only to say "He got it done". We all know what we call them people in our business PowerStroker.... We call them HACKS! 

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So you are actually suggesting that everyone piled up on airforce one? Were you working for the Polish government at one time recently PowerStroker? Because you know that money saving idea didn't work out too well for them.

Air Force One is a Boeing 747, it's usually sufficient to take the President and his entire entourage anywhere, with the exception of the Secret Service advance team which has to arrive 2 weeks ahead of time.

It's safe to say that at LEAST 10-20 planes were used.

Only if you believe the lie that he's taking 2000-3000 people with him, which is many times more than the ENTIRE white house staff. 

Let us not forget the military war birds that also tag along side.

Those aren't automatically tagging along side AF1, those are dispatched to escort AF1 only in the event that AF1 is under a specific threat.

Let us not forget about all of the plane trips interstate that it took getting all of these people in one spot. 

I'm thinking just about everyone on board works in the White House, or at least somewhere in DC.

Then as you mention all of the normal people who would normally be on 12 hour shifts getting overtime and possibly some additional pay for having to be gone for 10 days. Let us not forget the ride home, as some of these people will not be staying the entire 10 days.

If some White House staffers need to come home early, they can charter a jet.  That doesn't cost $200 Million.

With regards to the media, yes many of them are being paid for by the media outlets, but to claim they are all pilled up on Airforce one for an overseas trip like this is just laughable to me anyway.

Nobody on the White House press core is on the taxpayer dime, not for hotels, not for food, and they even have to pay for their ride in AF1... Which by the way does have a press cabin in the rear where they all ride.  The press core is always with the President, and AF1 was designed to accomodate them.

Now there are also hotel expences, and other such things as security and paying local law enforcement for motorcades, trimming the coconut tree's ect. Not to mention cost for food, as the idea of airforce one sending out brown bag lunches for everyone is also laughable to me.

Yes, Taxpayers are on the hook for the hotels and meals for White House staffers and government officials, but not press people.  It still doesn't come anywhere near $200 million per day.  The trimming coconut trees and road closures is covered by the Indian government.  Certainly AF1 food is better than brown bags, but it's nowhere near $200 million per day.

Also lets keep in mind he isn't just going to India, he is also going to Indonisia and Japan! Why in the hell he is going to Indonesia is beyond me, is there something pressing that merits this trip? Or is he just dying to get back to his homeland?

He is the President of the United States and leader of the free world,  He is the ONLY person who can launch our Nuclear arsenal, and if he feels the need to go anywhere at any time, it is his perogative to do so.

Also what about Japan? What pressing issue is going on there that needs him over there?

They could be an alli in any of our dealings with China, either that or maybe Obama wanted some sushi.  He's the President, he can do what he wants.

It's clear to see there is a lot more expence to this whole thing than just Obama going to India, because from there everything above is X3 considering the intellagence and amount of money that went into planning this whole thing.

It is never cheap for the President to travel anywhere, get over it.  It's still nowhere near $200 million per day.

I think it's safe to say this little vacation was cooked up under his administration, and is a fine example of what kind of wastefullness has been going on. Many do not buy that his trade deals that brag up close to 52,000 American jobs compares to the millions of jobs we have already lost to India, and as of recent reports it appears as there is some disagreements over the trade deals. Are we to expect that Obama will just sign anything put infront of him just so he can say he got the job done? Even if it's bad for Americans? Kind of brings back memories of the healthcare law and how he has recently admitted that he rushed it thru without thinking.

I am also worried about any "trade deals" after the sour taste the Clinton and Bush deals left.  I just hope I'm wrong.  Either way, The president is entitled to travel anywhere at any time, and it's not going to be cheap, but it's not nearly as expensive as the right wing media lie would like us to believe.

So please PowerStroker, give this some effort. Let me know what is so important about Obama making a visit to Indonesia and Japan. Also please let me know why he has left to get a trade deal in the works without first making sure everyone was in agreement? Seems like this could just be a total waste of time, money and resources that if you include all the security, rooms, planning and secret service prep work could be costing us 200 million a day if the whole number was devided by the 10 days he will be gone. There is also a good chance bassed on his past craftmanship that he will sign just about any peice of shit trade deal, if only to say "He got it done". We all know what we call them people in our business PowerStroker.... We call them HACKS! 

I'm glad you are becoming skeptical of trade deals.  You may want to check how the rest of your party feels about them and possibly re-evaluate your party affiliation?  I'm curious if you were such a whiney bitch when Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan made trips to far away lands on AF1 at taxpayer expense?

I would like to know why the Republicans didn't filibuster the enormous supplimental spending bill that must have occured to allow the president an extra $2 BILLION dollars for a 10 day trip to India.  Think about that one REALLY HARD Rex.  Do you remember how you were wrong about not having any ability to adjust caster and camber on Ford trucks, and how Pogo and I rubbed your nose in it forever until you finally learned about cam bushings.  Yeah, this has the potential to go the same way.

Also, I would like to see the article in which you first discovered the alleged cost of this trip if you would be so kind.  And then I would like you to watch the Rachel Maddow video in it's entirety please.




 



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He is the President of the United States and leader of the free world,  He is the ONLY person who can launch our Nuclear arsenal, and if he feels the need to go anywhere at any time, it is his perogative to do so.

They could be an alli in any of our dealings with China, either that or maybe Obama wanted some sushi.  He's the President, he can do what he wants.


Yes PowerStroker, he is the President. And there are many other examples of people abusing their power who have fallen in the past as well. Obama still has to follow the laws, he is not a dictator. If he doesn't he gets fired early.

Hey PowerStroker!

NEWS FLASH!

The Democrats have been in control the past two years! The Republicans are in there now and these rediculous expendatures WILL COME TO AN END! IF IT HAIRLIPS THE PRESIDENT.

REPUBLICANS HAVE THE PURSE NOW BUDDY. How do you stop a Democrat that is drunk with power on the publics money? You cut off the money!



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The Republicans already have the power to cut off the money, it's called a filabuster, and they have used it a record number of times.

I have already told you that if what you are saying is true, this trip will cost 2 Billion dollars. The Administrations budget doesn't have an extra 2 billion dollars laying around for a whim trip to india, thus a supplimental spending bill in congress must have been authorized right?

How come the Republicans didn't filabuster it?

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Maybe you don't know much about how the government works, but in the Senate you need X amount of votes to do what you are claiming. In case you forgot the Democrats used to hold VERY LARGE majorities in both the House and the Senate, and thus why we now have a new healthcare law.

Do some reading PowerStroker. Here is a link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster

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I am well aware of what a filibuster is, and how it is utilized under current Senate rules.

It takes a special "cloture vote" in the Senate requiring at least 60 Senators voting for cloture for a bill to even be brought to a floor for a final passage vote. Any time there is not 60 votes for cloture - it is a filibuster under current Senate rules.

The Democrats had a very brief period of time when they actually had the 60 votes to break a Republican filibuster, and that is how healthcare was passed. Shortly thereafter, Scott Brown, Republican of Massachusetts won a special election to fill Edward Kennedy's seat. At that point, the Democrats no longer had enough votes to break a Republican filibuster, and the Republicans have used this to their advantage as they utilized their 41 vote minority to filibuster just about EVERYTHING once Scott Brown was elected. This abuse of filibuster has NEVER been seen before in the history of our country. But the Republicans decided that grinding all legislation to a screeching halt would be politically good for them in the long run, even if it meant the people's business didn't get done.

So now that you know a little more about just how much power your Republicans have actually had all along, and how they have blocked just about everything the Democrats wanted to do, I ask you again...

If Obama actually had an extra 2 BILLION dollars for a trip to India, it would ONLY be because congress authorized him an extra 2 billion dollars for that trip, because as we know, it is CONGRESS that has the entire power of the purse. So how come the Republicans didn't filibuster that money, or at least make a big stink about it during the campaign? Hell, if they did, they would probably be in charge of the Senate too.

Doesn't that just piss you off? You'd like to believe the lie about how expensive Obama's trip is, but then if you do, you also have to admit massive failure on the part of Republicans who did in fact have the power to stop it, but diddn't.

What a pickle indeed.

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Um... I think it's safe to say this trip was cooked up well before Brown getting in. Even with Brown taking office, it was no match for the super-majority the Democrats had at the time.

Now things are diffrent. The Republicans OWN the House, and need to turn far fewer Democrats in order to cease this out of control government intervention. In the case of the two Independents, well they will likley be found guilty of corruption once a serious issue has the parties split. The money seats are held by two Independants, and 1 or two weak Democrats.

How much do you want to bet the Democrat Senators wont be so quick to just ignore the wishes of the American people after the schalacking they took November 2nd?

Oh and I thought it was funny when you claimed Obama could do whatever he wanted because he was President. Seems a certian Volcano in Indonesia was able to spew more hot air than Obama, thus sending him packing. So much for thinking he can do whatever he wanted, or perhaps he realized his trip might actually CREST the $200 million mark, into the $200 BILLLION range if you include all the shotty agreements that will cost us money down the road that he plans to sign.

I THINK THE ESTIMATE OF $200 MILLION WAS TOO KIND! I THINK THIS VACATION HE IS ON WILL END UP COSTING AMERICANS TRILLIONS! All for a measely 52,000 jobs building war birds. Meanwhile what India want's in return is to quit punishing businesses for sending jobs over there. Say Ta-Ta to another 200,000 jobs! NO PUN INTENDED!

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Um... I think it's safe to say this trip was cooked up well before Brown getting in.


I'm not interested in what you THINK, I'm interested in truth.  Can you provide any to support your claims... Like perhaps a house bill number authorizing 2 Billion Dollars for this trip, and perhaps the record showing how all members of the House voted on it.  All of that would be public record if it exists.

Cmon, even Mike Huckabee is walking back from his original claim of this trips cost.  And he's even more looney than you.

 



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Can we get a link to your claims about Mike?

Or is he claiming that after the bad trade deals take hold, the actual vacation cost will be in the TRILLIONS when devided by 10?

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Here's that link about Huckabee you requested.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101108/pl_yblog_upshot/huckabee-defends-the-costs-of-obamas-trip-to-india

Seriously, do you really need me to google things for you? All I did was type Huckabee+Obama trip cost in the google machine and it popped right up. I thought you were a computer savy guy, what's wrong with you?

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Are you effing serious!?

A Yahoo BLOG!? LOL

Please see the requirements for a credible news desk in the "Open Challenge to Politickers thread".

And please try again. biggrin

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Excellent point Rex, and I'm glad you brought it up. It seems that you started this thread with some grand theory that Obama is spending 2 BILLION dollars on this trip, yet you havent given a link to anything, legitimate journalism or otherwise.

Your turn pal.

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Meet the new boss.... Same as the old boss...

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word round' the camp fire is Obama's comm'n home empty handed

waste of $200M per day

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Pain in the butt to log in on the iPhone. I was taking a dump when I wrote that.

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I call it "taking a rex"

Still waiting on proof of the trips cost please.

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Sooooooooooooooo

Do you still believe the trip cost 2 Billion Dollars?

Did you watch the Rachel Maddow video before you edited my signature?

What were the House and Senate appropriations bill numbers that included a 2 Billion dollar travel budget for the India trip? And please provide a link to the voting record showing how all members of congress voted on it please. All of that would be public information easily available to anyone if it truly exists.

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Um... Rachel Maddow said herself in that video that security expenses are NOT disclosed, so it is safe to say your claims about this stuff being public record are somewhat false.

Yes I do feel that if you took all the resources it took to plan and execute this trip it could very well be in the $200 million dollar per day area if divided by the amount of days he was gone.

This is the big problem with Big Government. People like me and you should not have to spend time trying to figure out if our government is lying to us. If we had less corruption there would be more trust. More trust would equal more progress and a better quality of life. Don't you agree?

Yes I did watch over half of the video you posted. More than half of the half I did watch was a lot of repetition. I am all for learning something new, and I understand her approach to informing people is to take a comedic angle, but some people don't feel this is funny, and that there are serious issues here that merit more professionalism. I think your girl Maddow could be a good reporter if she was more serious, but that would likely cost her the liberal audience she currently enjoys.

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Um... Rachel Maddow said herself in that video that security expenses are NOT disclosed, so it is safe to say your claims about this stuff being public record are somewhat false.

Not at all...  Obama is given a travel budget with a specific dollar amount which is public record.  This dollar amount is much less than 2 Billion dollars, therefore, if he made a single trip that cost 2 Billion dollars, the money had to come from Congress.  There is no way a bill can be passed through both houses of the congress and become law without it being public record - what's the point of making law that you keep secret?  While it may be true that you will never see the specific reciepts for hotels, meals, fuel ect, it is true that Obama doesn't have the power of the purse, and if he wants to spend money beyond the travel budget appropriated to him, he needs to get that money from congress - and that WOULD be public record if it happened.  But our inability to find any such record is proof that you are wrong on this issue.

Yes I do feel that if you took all the resources it took to plan and execute this trip it could very well be in the $200 million dollar per day area if divided by the amount of days he was gone.

You want to divide $200 million PER DAY by the NUMBER of Days he was gone???  That argument doesn't make any sense.  If you took 200 Million divided by 10 days that would be 20 million per day, but the key word is 200 Million PER DAY - there is no fancy division required to make idiotic statements Rex.

This is the big problem with Big Government. People like me and you should not have to spend time trying to figure out if our government is lying to us. If we had less corruption there would be more trust. More trust would equal more progress and a better quality of life. Don't you agree?

I just wish you would actually make an effort to see if the government is lying to you, and admit you're wrong when you cant any proof of it.

Yes I did watch over half of the video you posted. More than half of the half I did watch was a lot of repetition. I am all for learning something new, and I understand her approach to informing people is to take a comedic angle, but some people don't feel this is funny, and that there are serious issues here that merit more professionalism. I think your girl Maddow could be a good reporter if she was more serious, but that would likely cost her the liberal audience she currently enjoys.

You should watch the second half now please, I won't make you sit through the first half again, but it would mean a lot if you did watch the second half.  There's less repetition in it, and a lot more debunking.




 



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Not at all...  Obama is given a travel budget with a specific dollar amount which is public record.  This dollar amount is much less than 2 Billion dollars, therefore, if he made a single trip that cost 2 Billion dollars, the money had to come from Congress.  There is no way a bill can be passed through both houses of the congress and become law without it being public record - what's the point of making law that you keep secret?  While it may be true that you will never see the specific reciepts for hotels, meals, fuel ect, it is true that Obama doesn't have the power of the purse, and if he wants to spend money beyond the travel budget appropriated to him, he needs to get that money from congress - and that WOULD be public record if it happened.  But our inability to find any such record is proof that you are wrong on this issue.

Yawn... Does that budget include the salary of people who set up the trip? How about security, and all of the other things? Our inability to find such recorded proof is a good indication the $200M claim has merit. Is it my problem to find out? NOPE. But you know what? I and many others will be thinking about that come 2012, so you see it's really more to the Democrats advantage to just come clean with some proof.

You want to divide $200 million PER DAY by the NUMBER of Days he was gone???  That argument doesn't make any sense.  If you took 200 Million divided by 10 days that would be 20 million per day, but the key word is 200 Million PER DAY - there is no fancy division required to make idiotic statements Rex.

No! I suggested deviding the ENTIRE cost of the trip (whatever that might be) by the number of days he was gone. I am pretty sure the dollar amount would be close to $200M per day. Sorry if I confused you. So PowerStroker, have your Democrat buddies given you any ideas as to the total cost of the trip?

I just wish you would actually make an effort to see if the government is lying to you, and admit you're wrong when you cant any proof of it.

The proof is in the pudding. Unfortunately the cupboard seems to be locked along with the fridge. How the fuck am I going to tell if the government is fucking me? I don't have security clearance. Although I really did LOVE the headlines of "Obama brings home the bacon from India" given the rather large populations of Muslims there. LOL

You should watch the second half now please, I won't make you sit through the first half again, but it would mean a lot if you did watch the second half.  There's less repetition in it, and a lot more debunking.

Sorry PowerStroker, but the full extent of the damage Obama has done while on vacation in Asia has yet to be made clear. It is quite possible whatever trade deals he signed will cost us MUCH MORE than $200M per day. Really it could end up costing us $1 trillion per day by the time is all said and done. That would be $10T for the trip. You want to keep going with this? 




 



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Yawn... Does that budget include the salary of people who set up the trip? How about security, and all of the other things? Our inability to find such recorded proof is a good indication the $200M claim has merit. Is it my problem to find out? NOPE. But you know what? I and many others will be thinking about that come 2012, so you see it's really more to the Democrats advantage to just come clean with some proof.

The salaries of full time security and staff is going to be an ongoing expense whether they are in India or whether they stay home.  Accounting doesn't work that way Rex.  Obviously running the government is expensive, but to pretend those expenses dont begin to exist untill he boards a plane to India is ridiculous.  A more appropriate question would be how much did the expense of running the Obama administration increase per day during his India trip.  Your tricky math is purely partisan, and you know it.

No! I suggested deviding the ENTIRE cost of the trip (whatever that might be) by the number of days he was gone. I am pretty sure the dollar amount would be close to $200M per day. Sorry if I confused you. So PowerStroker, have your Democrat buddies given you any ideas as to the total cost of the trip?

No they haven't, I don't expect them to, and I don't care.

The proof is in the pudding.

Brilliant answer Rex, and so typical

Unfortunately the cupboard seems to be locked along with the fridge. How the fuck am I going to tell if the government is fucking me? I don't have security clearance.

Better to just assume you're getting fucked then, and spend your life being angry and cynical eh?

Although I really did LOVE the headlines of "Obama brings home the bacon from India" given the rather large populations of Muslims there. LOL

Oh no, not MUSLIMS.

Sorry PowerStroker, but the full extent of the damage Obama has done while on vacation in Asia has yet to be made clear. It is quite possible whatever trade deals he signed will cost us MUCH MORE than $200M per day. Really it could end up costing us $1 trillion per day by the time is all said and done. That would be $10T for the trip. You want to keep going with this? 


Actually, I want to rub your nose in all of your idiotic statements.


 




 



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 The salaries of full time security and staff is going to be an ongoing expense whether they are in India or whether they stay home.  Accounting doesn't work that way Rex.  Obviously running the government is expensive, but to pretend those expenses dont begin to exist until he boards a plane to India is ridiculous.  A more appropriate question would be how much did the expense of running the Obama administration increase per day during his India trip.  Your tricky math is purely partisan, and you know it.

PowerStroker you are so full of shit I bet your eyes are brown! For you to make such an IGNORANT suggestion that the cost of security detail to protect the President at the White House is the same as loading up a plane full of security personel and sending them overseasis not only ludacris, it just makes you look like a retard. Wake the hell up PowerStroker, not all Americans are as ignorant as you, Obama and the Democrats hope they would be. This is just one of many hits your credibility has taken in here.

No they haven't, I don't expect them to, and I don't care.

YOU DONT CARE? LOL How about checking out this link here and letting me know how much you don't care.

http://autotrend.activeboard.com/index.spark?aBID=91042&p=3&topicID=39223070

Care to revise your bullshit statement PowerStroker?

Brilliant answer Rex, and so typical

What you don't like Chocolate pudding? Or are you feeling somewhat sick after realizing your party affiliation is part of the PROBLEM and not part of the solution?

Better to just assume you're getting fucked then, and spend your life being angry and cynical eh?

I am an grumpy elitist... It works for me.

 

Oh no, not MUSLIMS.

I guess the irony of that one went RIGHT over your head huh PowerStroker!? Obama brings home the bacon from India was an actual HEADLINE from MSN.COM PowerStroker, not something I just made up.

Actually, I want to rub your nose in all of your idiotic statements.

$10 Trillion dollars is a whole lot of money to spend on a vacation, even by a King's or Dictators standard. Losing the purse must have really been a smack in the face for the Obama Administration. Guess they figured they might as well get one last big spend in before the American people took away the credit card.


 



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PowerStroker you are so full of shit I bet your eyes are brown! For you to make such an IGNORANT suggestion that the cost of security detail to protect the President at the White House is the same as loading up a plane full of security personel and sending them overseasis not only ludacris, it just makes you look like a retard. Wake the hell up PowerStroker, not all Americans are as ignorant as you, Obama and the Democrats hope they would be. This is just one of many hits your credibility has taken in here.

So you're saying the amount it cost to run Obama's security detail INCREASED by $200 MILLION PER DAY ABOVE what it already costs when he stays home?

YOU DONT CARE? LOL How about checking out this link here and letting me know how much you don't care.

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Not really, I don't care how much the trip actually costs because I'm quite sure it's nowhere near what you seem to think it did... What I care about is when people spread lies.


$10 Trillion dollars is a whole lot of money to spend on a vacation, even by a King's or Dictators standard. Losing the purse must have really been a smack in the face for the Obama Administration. Guess they figured they might as well get one last big spend in before the American people took away the credit card.


So now you think Obama's India trip cost 10 TRILLION and almost doubled the US National Debt? 

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You must skim thru my postings because if you actually read them it would have explained how I got that figure.

$10,000,000,000,000.00 is "Big Pimp'n" by anyone's standard.

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Let's send Obama on Permanent vacation on November 6th!

We can't afford to cart him all around the world if he's not going to bring home the bacon!

He's not giving Americans any return on our investments!

Dont be fooled! If Obama is re-elected it will be more "Big Pimpin" vacations only this time he wont have a care in the world how much debt he runs up as he will be running out of the White House after this next 4 years trying to blame this entire mess on the fact that a majority of Americans were idiots, FOR ELECTING HIM! How is that for a slap in the face?

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Trump familys elaborate lifestyle is a logistical nightmare at taxpayer expense

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On Friday, President Trump and his entourage will jet for the third straight weekend to a working getaway at his oceanfront Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla.

On Saturday, Trumps sons Eric and Don Jr., with their Secret Service details in tow, will be nearly 8,000 miles away in the United Arab Emirates, attending the grand opening of a Trump-brand golf resort in the Beverly Hills of Dubai.

Meanwhile, New York police will keep watch outside Trump Tower in Manhattan, the chosen home of first lady Melania Trump and son Barron. And the tiny township of Bedminster, N.J., is preparing for the daunting prospect that the local Trump golf course will serve as a sort of northern White House for as many as 10 weekends a year.

Barely a month into the Trump presidency, the unusually elaborate lifestyle of Americas new first family is straining the Secret Service and security officials, stirring financial and logistical concerns in several local communities, and costing far beyond what has been typical for past presidents a price tag that, based on past assessments of presidential travel and security costs, could balloon into the hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of a four-year term.

Adding to the costs and complications is Trumps inclination to conduct official business surrounded by crowds of people, such as his decision last weekend to host Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe for a working dinner while Mar-a-Lago members dined nearby.

The handful of government agencies that bear the brunt of the expenses, including the Defense and Homeland Security departments, have not responded to Washington Post requests for data laying out the costs since Trump took office.

But some figures have dribbled out, while others can be gleaned from government documents.

Trumps three Mar-a-Lago trips since the inauguration have probably cost the federal treasury about $10 million, based on figures used in an October government report analyzing White House travel, including money for Coast Guard units to patrol the exposed shoreline and other military, security and staffing expenses associated with moving the apparatus of the presidency.

Palm Beach County officials plan to ask Washington to reimburse tens of thousands of dollars a day in expenses for deputies handling added security and traffic issues around the cramped Florida island whenever Trump is in town.

In New York, the city is paying $500,000 a day to guard Trump Tower, according to police officials estimates, an amount that could reach $183 million a year.

This month, The Post reported that Secret Service and U.S. Embassy staffers paid nearly $100,000 in hotel-room bills to support Eric Trumps trip to promote a Trump-brand condo tower in Uruguay.

This is an expensive way to conduct business, and the president should recognize that, said Tom Fitton, president of the conservative group Judicial Watch, which closely tracked President Barack Obamas family vacation costs and said that it intends to continue the effort for the Trump administration.

The unique thing about President Trump is that he knows what it costs to run a plane, Fitton added, noting that Trump should consider using the presidential retreat of Camp David, a short helicopter ride from the White House, or even his golf course in Northern Virginia. Of Mar-a-Lago, Fitton said, Going down there aint free.

For Trump, the costs come with an additional perk: Some of the money flows into his own pocket. While Trump has removed himself from managing his company, he has refused to divest his ownership, meaning that he benefits from corporate successes such as government contracts.

 

 

The Defense Department and Secret Service, for instance, have sought to rent space in Trump Tower, where leasing a floor can cost $1.5 million a year though neither agency has disclosed any details. In addition, Trumps travel to his signature properties while trailed by a press corps beaming images to the world allows the official business of the presidency to double as marketing opportunities for his brand.

The White House did not address broader concerns of the costs and potential conflicts inherent in Trumps early travels. But White House spokeswoman Stephanie Grisham told The Post this week that Trump is always working, even when he has left Washington behind.

He is not vacationing when he goes to Mar-a-Lago, Grisham said. The president works nonstop every day of the week, no matter where he is.

Trumps frequent travel belies his repeated criticism of Obama as a habitual vacationer enjoying taxpayer-funded golf getaways. It also comes after his own promises: He told the Hill newspaper in 2015, I would rarely leave the White House because theres so much work to be done.

Presidential families have for decades been guaranteed round-the-clock protection, no matter the expense or destination. Every presidency has brought new operational challenges and lifestyle habits, from George W. Bushs frequent stays at his remote ranch in Texas to Obamas annual trips to Marthas Vineyard and his native state of Hawaii. Judicial Watch estimated that Obama-related travel expenses totaled nearly $97 million over eight years.

But based on the first four weeks, Trumps presidency appears on track to cost hundreds of millions of dollars more.

 

The burden is especially acute for the Secret Service, the presidential protection force that has endured years of budget short­ages, low morale and leadership shake-ups, including the announcement this week that its director, Joseph Clancy, is stepping down.

Agents are now tasked with guarding multiple homes and protecting Trumps four adult children, including the globe-trotting sons running the family business and daughter Ivanka, whose family recently moved into a Northwest Washington neighborhood.

There was an anticipation of how stressful it was going to be on the agency, but the harsh reality is that the stress is just overwhelming, said Jonathan Wackrow, a 14-year Secret Service employee who served in Obamas detail and now works as executive director of the risk-mitigation company RANE.

Even veteran agents, Wackrow said, are feeling the pressure of the monumental task, including manning high-security perimeters in Washington, Florida and New York, along with protecting family members private-business travel across three continents.

Its a logistical nightmare, Wackrow said. Agents are at severe risk of burnout, and the very last thing you want is to have your agents burned out.

A Secret Service spokesman said the agency is equipped to handle the demands of a Trump presidency. Every administration presents unique challenges to which the Secret Service has effectively adapted, according to an agency statement. Regardless of location ... the Secret Service is confident in our security plan.

Experts and local officials have pointed to security and logistical concerns surrounding Mar-a-Lago, the lavish estate that Trump turned into a club in 1995 and now calls the Winter White Hous

 

Club members pay $200,000 to join a fee that has doubled since his election and $14,000 a year to belong, giving them access to the beach, tennis courts, a spa and, now, on occasional weekends, to the president.

But Rep. Lois Frankel (D-Fla.), who represents Palm Beach, said Mar-a-Lago is a poor choice for a presidents long-term home: an exposed oceanfront club on a narrow, busy island, where traffic problems were already routine.

Mar-a-Lago is no Camp David, Frankel said. Its not set up with the intention or the forethought of keeping the president safe.

The challenges for Mar-a-Lago as a presidential home were apparent from pictures posted on social media last weekend by club guests including close-up images of the presidential limousine and a picture of a military official carrying the nuclear football.

In one Instagram video recorded Friday night outside Mar-a-Lago, a woman fawns as men with earpieces inspect under the hood of a line of cars heading into the club: The Secret Service is so hot.

The weekend brought the presidential entourage to two other Trump properties, as Trump and Abe golfed 27 holes at the presidents courses in Jupiter and West Palm Beach. The events meant global publicity for the Trump brand and even more security complicationThe federal and local governments have spent considerable sums to help safeguard the sprawling estate on items big and small.

In advance of Trumps Super Bowl weekend trip to Mar-a-Lago, the Secret Service paid for a bevy of security costs, including more than $12,000 for tents, portable toilets, light towers and golf carts, purchase orders show.

The bills have racked up outside the club, too. Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric Bradshaw said Trumps 25 days in the county since the election have cost local taxpayers about $60,000 a day in overtime police payments.

Local officials said the U.S. Coast Guard has run round-the-clock shoreline patrols alongside Mar-a-Lago when the president is in town. A Coast Guard spokesman declined to share costs or specifics, citing security concerns.

The Town of Palm Beach recently implemented a presidential visit seasonal traffic mitigation plan in hopes of stemming the islands worsening traffic woes. Running every weekend until May, the plan includes a town order demanding sanitation and public-works crews leave the island every Friday by 3 p.m.

Local officials usually learn only a few days in advance that the president is coming, said Kirk ­Blouin, the towns director of public safety. We plan as if he is going to be here most weekends, Blouin said, because otherwise its too hard to plan.

Overseas travel by Trumps adult sons is adding to the burden on taxpayers.

Eric Trump and his security detail flew this month to the Dominican Republic, during which the presidents son met with developers proposing a Trump-brand luxury resort. Purchase orders showing government expenditures for that trip are not yet available, but records show that Secret Service officials traveled there in advance to scope out the area staying at the five-star, oceanfront AlSol Del Mar hotel at a cost of $5,470.

After this weekends trip to Dubai during which early Secret Service hotel bills have already surpassed $16,000, records show the Trump brothers will travel to Vancouver, B.C., for the Feb. 28 grand opening of another Trump-brand skyscraper.

 

 

The State Department has declined to provide details related to its expenditures for Trump family travel around the world, including the participation of embassy staffers when Eric Trump and Don Trump Jr. travel on behalf of the family business.

The best public estimate for the full cost of Trumps presidential getaways may come from a U.S. Government Accountability Office report in October, which estimated that a four-day trip for President Obama cost taxpayers more than $3.6 million.

During that Presidents Day weekend trip in 2013, Obama flew to Chicago to give an economic speech, then to Palm City, Fla., to golf with Tiger Woods and the owner of the Houston Astros baseball team.

That money went toward operating aircraft flown in from 10 states including Air Force One, which costs an estimated $200,000 an hour to fly as well as assorted watercraft, military working dogs, rental cars, hotel rooms and a Coast Guard rescue helicopter.

The trip drew the ire of many Republicans in Congress, including Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), who requested that the GAO review Obamas costs. Asked whether Barrasso would file a similar request for Trumps trips, his spokeswoman said equating the two presidents trips would be misleading". President Trump was in Florida with the Prime Minister of Japan, Barrassos press secretary, Laura M. Mengelkamp, said in a statement. Regardless, every level of the federal government needs to be mindful of the way it spends taxpayer dollars.

In November, when Trump spent a weekend at his Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., the 8,000-resident township received just 48 hours notice demanding an all-hours security detail of six police officers from its 16-officer force.

Township officials have begun preparing for the possibility that Trump will make up to 10 visits this year, including a potentially extended summer stay for the first lady. Officials there offered a projection, based on seven Trump trips, that could cost the township more than $300,000.

Bedminster is a small municipality with a small police force and a small budget, Mayor Steven E. Parker (R) wrote in a letter asking for federal help in recouping security costs. We want to welcome President Trump with open arms, but we dont wish to burden our taxpayers disproportionately for these visits.

 

David A. Fahrenthold and Carol D. Leonnig contributed to this report.



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Meet the new boss.... Same as the old boss...


 

 Says it all folks...



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Trump familys elaborate lifestyle is a logistical nightmare at taxpayer expense

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David A. Fahrenthold and Carol D. Leonnig contributed to this report.


 That's because Trump just got elected President and is setting up his base... Unlike Obama who moved into the White House like a section 8 case, Trump actually has property and established clubs that only increase the prestige of the office. 

You see... The White House "made" Obama... Whereas Trump "makes" the White House. There is a big difference here PowerStroker! Trump hit the ground running, and as such it cost a little more to protect him and set up his Northern and Southern White House. As time goes by, you will see that these efforts - once in place, operate at a much lower cost over time and the best part is we're actually seeing RESULTS! Unlike when Obama first took off for an overseas trip to Copenhagen to try and secure the Olympics for Chicago, only to come home empty handed. No surprise there.

I wonder PowerStroker, at this point in Obama's tenure, how many trips had Obama already taken overseas or outside the country? I am going to have to check that out, as I am pretty sure, as of now, Trump has not left the country once! That's not to say he won't, but it's clear Trump's travels INSIDE THE USA are much more beneficial to Americans!



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You want to be hoping that Mr.Trump isn't setting himself up for a "Spy Vs Spy" event....

The White House "is" the traditional & "secure" home of the President. If you're elected, this is the place to be for most-of-the-time. Besides, with Mr.Nixon's tape machine, & all the other modern gismo's fitted, how else are there going to be media leaks about his dodgy opinions & orders ?

If Mr.Trump has an allocated budget to set himself up with, ( as with every President ), then that's what he must stick to, or pay for it himself. It's not as though he's a poor man.

I just don't understand why he doesn't set himself up at Heff's Mansion to be quite honest.

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You didn't get the memo? The Playboy mansion has been sold and as part of the agreement Heff just gets to stay there until he dies.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-playboy-mansion-idUSKCN10R2FT



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IF ANYONE HERE KNOWS SECTION 8...................... THAT WOULD BE REX WITH HIS RUN DOWN PIECE OF SHIT BEDBUG INFESTED SHACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HOPE TRUMP HOLDS HIS PROMISE AND DEPORTS YOUR ASS BACK TO THAT SHIT COUNTRY YOU CAME FROM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Stoma will be leaving early today folks... Not to return under his "Stoma" handle again.

He was begging for it, so we gave it to him.

Enjoy! 



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Hey, Yo - Rastus!

Even PowerStroker put the cost of Obama's ten day vacation to India at $200 million dollars! But Powrerstroker chose to divide that $200 million by the 10 days putting Obama's travel cost at only $20 million PER DAY! And that's from a liberal butt kisser like PowerStroker! I still think his vacation cost tax payers over $200 million per day!

And you, Rastus, want to post a thread balking at President Trumps 3 months in office costing us $20 million!? Get the fuck outta here with that BS!



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Stoma will be leaving early today folks... Not to return under his "Stoma" handle again.

He was begging for it, so we gave it to him.

Enjoy!


 

It all went down in the Taj Mahal thread ladies and gentlemen! 

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