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Do you feel the American Community Survey is going too far? [4 vote(s)]

Yes! It's an over-reach of government!
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No! I like Nazi Germany
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Yes! It could be abused!
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No! Im a home owner looking to rat out a family member!
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The American Community Survey - ACS - Census Bureau forcing LONG 28 page shake down?


I received in the mail today a "packet" from the Census Bureau which they refer to as "The American Community Survey" which they claim I am "Required" to fill out!

I have taken photos of this extensive monstrosity which basiclly amounts to a household "Shake Down" with teeth backed by the U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Department of Commerce.

I just recently had to fill out a prying U.S. Census not long ago, as I am sure many of you did also. At first I figured I'd just ignore it, but our friends at the U.S. Census sent out some guy to stand on my porch and threaten civil and or criminal penalties if I did not answer his questions. I told him to GTFO my porch and sent in the fucking forms.

Now here it is a relatively small time later since the Census and I am being shaken down for information once more, but this time the questions are even more prying and require me to answer questions about other people to which I have no business speaking on their behalf in the first place! Its a 28 page form where the Census bureau apparently wants EVERY SINGLE PERSON to fill out a section. So if a family member wishes to opt out of filling out the form you must basically rat them out! Sounds like Nazi Germany if you ask me.

ITS ABSOLUTLY CRAZY! I can only think I have Obama and the Democrats to thank for this thru the powers of the Affordable Health Care (aka Obama care) law, or maybe it was that extension of the patriot act that got stuffed in a Physicians bill. Whatever it was, this current American Community Survey feels wrong and places the bearer of the form into an incredibly uncomfortable position to answer questions and or speculate about others. At the very least the form holder is forced to question anyone and everyone who has stayed in your house for 2 or more months!

Anyone get this Survey?



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Take a look for yourself,

 

 



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What? So no one wants to debate the merits of my rants!?

I guess it just goes to show that none of you got one of these ACS surveys, and thus your not having to spend the time being the CB's bitch.

I might add that a few days ago I received a post card prodding me to hurry up! This just a few days after I got the packet. Ill take a photo of that later, but here I am on Labor day having to do the governments work as if anything I tell them will be more that what they already know.

I mean WHAT THE FUCK!? My drivers licences is registered to my address along with everyone else's in the household. And my kids are enrolled in public schools so even though they don't have a licence they are more than certainly living with me. So I really do not understand, nor agree with their logic for forcing such tasks on me or anyone else! Don't get me wrong, I have no problems helping make my community a better place, but when I see what I feel amounts to redundant lazyness it somewhat pisses me off. 

Am I wrong here? 



-- Edited by SELLC on Monday 3rd of September 2012 03:31:49 PM

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You can go ahead and laugh now. That's because "ignorance is bliss".

The questions they ask such as,

"How much is your mortgage / land contract"

"How much do you pay for electricity / gas "

"How big is your land, how many rooms"

"How much do you make in a year, along with how much everyone else in the house makes"

"How many cars are in the house"

"Where were the people in your house living prior to moving in"

"How much do you speculate your home to be worth"

And it just keeps going and going! In the section for filling in information for "others" it asks you to rate how well the person speaks English, if they go to work, where they work, and how much they make! It even goes on to ask "What time does this person leave for work", "How long do they drive" (Check out page 10 of the ACS). As if someone is going to release this kind of information to just a stranger! And the plain and simple fact that just 48 hours of receiving the packet they send out a post card trying to rush your reply.

Here is the link to the survey in PDF format

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/questionnaires/2012/Quest12.pdf 

Read that shit and tell me some of them questions arent a violation of privacy! Of course they didn't send one out to everyone at once! Because if that was the case people would be bitching nation-wide! They know that so long as a minority of people get stuck filling out the forms the majority will just fluff it off, of course it's just a matter of time before this monstrosity will be awaiting in your mail box.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

At the VERY least the ACS is putting people in the position to speculate about others or risk sending in an incomplete survey. Just click on the link and read! Then tell me "Ill wait until I get mine"!



-- Edited by SELLC on Tuesday 4th of September 2012 01:13:39 AM

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Since you two pussies are afraid to say it, I WILL!

This all boils down to once again being forced to do something under the threat of fine! Just like Obamacare whereas you lose the choice to decide. It almost feels like pretty soon the life decisions of Americans will boil down to doing their elected officials bidding or paying a fine.  

I mean really! Where does it end? I recently seen an Ancestry commercial that bragged about the information they benefit from by accessing released US census data (After so many years they release this data). Is the Government now getting into a "Facebook" like business? Is this new survey that seeks to identify my family, their relationship to me and other personal information that I'd NEVER tell any other stranger supposed to be freely handed over? And should I choose to maintain my privacy I'll be fined? I sure hope Mark Zuckerburg has friend-ed his "Uncle" Sam! Because soon his Uncle might be taking over! Guess it's fitting since "We didn't build that" and thanks to government "We are ALLOWED to succeed".

This is bullshit! I don't care if you are Democrat or Republican, after being hoodwinked with Obamacare this survey mandate is just the straw that broke the camels back. I can't help but draw correlations to other things I see going on around me and I didn't want to be the one who pussied out and said nothing!



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Need more proof this Census thing was pushed hard by the Obama Administration? Read this,

Census Data Not So Confidential After All

"The current $350 million ad campaign for the 2010 Census, including the much-maligned $2.5 million Super Bowl spots, urges individuals to Tell your story. The Census Bureau is particularly eager for minorities and illegal immigrants to do so, as they are traditionally believed to be the most undercounted.

Yet widespread non-compliance, especially among those most likely to be discriminated against by a majority, may not be rooted strictly in the ignorance the ads are designed to overcome. Historyincluding very recent historyshows that the information provided to the Census can be used against you.

The most recent examples occurred in 2002 and 2003, when the Census Bureau turned over information it had collected about Arab-Americans to Homeland Security.

Data from the 1940 Census was used to intern Japanese, Italian, and German Americans following the U.S.s entry into the war, and to monitor and persecute others who escaped internment. In addition to providing geographic information to the War Department, the Census Bureau released the name, address, age, sex, citizenship status and occupation of Japanese Americans in the Washington, D.C., area to the Treasury Department in response to an unspecified threat against President Franklin Roosevelt in 1943.

There may well be other instances of such data sharing of which we remain unaware, as the full scope of the personal information released during World War II has only recently been brought to light.

Thus, while the Census Bureau assures us that your confidentiality is protected. Title 13 requires the Census Bureau to keep all information about you and all other respondents strictly confidential, these exceptions negate such assurances. Of course, the release of the strictly confidential data was also perfectly legal: during World War II, under the terms of the Second War Powers Act, and more recently, under the terms of the USA PATRIOT Act, now extended by the Obama administration.

In preparation for this years census, 140,000 workers were hired to collect GPS readings for every front door in the nation. Such pinpoint precision will certainly simplify the process of locating any individual or group that may be identified as a threat to national security in the future. Remember, for example, the 1976 Senate Report in which 26,000 Americans were slated for roundup by the FBI in the event of a national emergency at the height of the Cold War. Now that the U.S. Governments Terrorist Watchlist has exceeded one million, the GPS data acquired could be instrumental in accomplishing such a roundup.

Meanwhile, the data is also shared a little more broadly than advertised. Stanford University recently joined UC Berkeley, Duke, the University of Michigan, UCLA, and others in having its very own census data center. As the director of the new center explained, The Census Bureau is very interested in making the centers more accessible to scholars who can use the data they provide.

As Henry Brady, dean of the Goldman School of Public Policy at UC Berkeley and principal investigator for the California Census Research Data Centers helpfully added: Were trying to make centers where lots of federal agencies will let us use their data.

While reassurances are repeated that the data is held under the strictest security, and will only be used for innocuous projects like government programs and solutions to our problems, do we really want academics to social engineer policy solutions based on sensitive personal data? After all, they may turn out to be no more desirable than the solutions provided by government programs like internment and renditioning. Without the protections afforded by a right to privacy, theres little chance of escaping a political will to enforce discriminatory policies.

This mission creep for the Census thus pushes up against a level of discomfort no amount of advertising dollars can likely assuage. Many will no doubt choose to follow former Senate majority leader Trent Lotts advice to skip any Census questions they feel violates their privacywhich may well include any exceeding the Constitutions mandate for an actual Enumeration. Unfortunately, choosing privacy now costs more: legislation recently passed raises the fine for anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers from a limit of $100 to $5,000a fact not advertised even in the small print. "


http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2744

So what gives PowerStroker? Was the 2010 Census not enough information? HEY GERRY! Where is the outrage?

What's next? A Census form asking how often I have sex? How often I take a shit or pass gas? Where does it end? My point being here is that the current survey goes too far, to the point I would have told anyone else to fuck off and mind their own business. Just look at this ACS survey and ask yourself what kind of monster questionnaires the new Obama Care will spawn which will REQUIRE you to answer personal information, or pay a fine.

Some might argue it's less expensive to just ignore the ACS and risk the fine as it could only be a matter of time before lazy people like PowerStroker, Gerry and the MSM to become aware or "care", but by then it's too late because people like me will just say "I told you so".  

So read the damn survey, be a good American and a friend and tell me.... IS THIS RIGHT? Would you want ME giving details to the government about how much you made at work? What time you went to work? How many hours you spent at work? The location of your work. Or if you were unemployed they ask if you any person in your house was "Able to work" but just didnt. You would literally have to fill out this information for anyone that lived in your home for two months or less.

I honestly feel that gathering this information from some households could result in serious household drama. Imagine you had a brother or parent living with you, what do you think they would say when you start asking personal questions? Or worse yet how would you feel about someone else speculating on your business and then reporting this information to the government? It's seriously fucked up! I insist you mfer's acknowledge this!



-- Edited by SELLC on Tuesday 4th of September 2012 01:53:55 AM

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I'll bitch about it when I receive one.

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ROFLMAO


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You two pussies cant handle talking about issues that are outside of the MSM! But once this topic goes MSM you will all be in here acting like you had the balls to speak up!

But then again what the hell can a for hire mechanic and a computer salesman do about it anyway? No wonder you guys never got sent one of these surveys! You're just not important enough for your input to matter!

Who's ROTFLMAO now?



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Who's ROTFLMAO now?

 


 That would still be Gerry and me



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Very rarely does this happen, but I gotta go with the 'Stroker on this one, Rex.

Sorry to hear that you're getting

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I'm not getting screwed Gerry... I moved!

Now I get to watch day after day as the person they send out goes to an empty home and ruins the nice door with sticky letters. Amazing how the Democrat of the house felt the same as you two, arrogant and understanding... But now they sing a diffrent tune, just like both of you will when this over-reach comes to your mail box!

There is a reason they are doing this in small batches, and it's to keep the lid on what most "REAL" Americans would consider to be a violation of privacy and an unfair burden on the citizens of the United States.

Don't worry guys... The U.S. Census wont forget about you! So while you spend the 40 minutes it takes to fill out the form all the while throwing your own family under the bus you can think of me and how I told you so.

What bothers me the MOST about this Survey? The fact the Government wants YOU to speculate about others, or at the very least harass family members for information they might not want to share. I'd be PISSED if someone speculated and answered some of the questions on that form about me. The U.S. Census should be prosecuted for even asking people to speculate about others business! They should also be prosecuted for extorsion, in asking others to do their work under the threat of a fine. As it stands anyone who holds one of these forms is being made into a defacto ACS agent weather they want to be or not! That right there should be enough to make ANYONE sick.

So... Under the current administration we have a Mandatory Fee if we dont buy insurance, a Manditory fee if you dont work as the ACS's slave... Hell pretty soon Americans will have two choices in life, do what the Government feels is right, or pay a fine. America is going down the toilet!

Meanwhile I get to watch Ancestry commercials that brag about how they have access to Census data, which they are more than happy to sell to you for money!

Enjoy guys!



-- Edited by SELLC on Sunday 18th of November 2012 02:40:43 PM

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Somalia sounding pretty good these days?


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Somalia sounding pretty good these days?


 By the time you and your team of jack ass's get done making a mess of things I'd imagine Somalia will look good, along with other nations like China, Mexico, Brazil, and a hand full of countries that once were 3rd world nations until the Democrats gave them all of America's money.

Some legacy you guys are working on!



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You're welcome!


 And You're broke.

 



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Then how can I be in the market for a pool table?

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I wasn't talking about money...

You are morally bankrupt if you feel the ACS is anything but a shake down of the American family! It's an outright invasion of privacy that forces someone to speculate on things they should NEVER be forced to ask someone else.

Let's see how you feel about answering the following questions,

(1) How much do you think your home is worth?

(2) How many miles do you drive to work each week?

(3) Exactly what time do you leave and get back home from work?

(4) What is your anual gross income?

(5) How much is your gas and electric bill?

(6) Has anyone other then YOU lived or stayed at your address? If yes please answer sub section.

Sub Section

(1a) What is the name of this person who stayed or lived at you home

(2a) What race were they?

(3a) Do they work? If so what is the address? What time do they leave for work and get home?

(4a) How much does this person make in a year?

(5a) Where did they live/stay before you?

(6a) Are they collecting any medical bennifits, welfare, or social security?

You should have no problems telling us all this information freely PowerStroker, because in a few years all this stuff will be sold to Ancestory companies for public viewing.

Oh and by the way, the ACS is 28 pages! Not just 12 questions.

If it was JUST questions that pertain to me then fine, I could understand that... But when the Government sends out surveys that require me to shake down friends or family? Fuck that! I am shocked that there hasn't been a bigger outcry about this. Hell privacy rights alone should make this kind of shake down illegal!

Put this in perspective.. Imagine your mom or a family member lived at your home for a month while moving... Would you feel comfortable shaking them down and asking some of these questions? And even if you did, would you feel right shaking down your own mother, brother, sister or even worse yet CHILD!? FUCK THAT! It's wrong and the information they are asking for can be gotten from other sources that do not require the citzen to become a fucking member of the SS.



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Scratch that, I WAS in the market for a pool table. I picked up a used one tonight, it went for $4500 when it was new and I got it for less than 1/4 of that. She's real pretty too, solid wood rails with mother of pearl inlays. The guy even threw in a nice set of fancy cues with rack and a light fixture. I can't wait till I'm done painting the man cave so I can set it all up!

The man cave renovation escilated like most home improvement projects seem to do. A previous owner of my place finished the basement himself - obviously. The sheetrock for the ceiling didn't exactly have it's joints line up on the joists, so naturally it began to crack and fall down. So I tore it all down, built a new bulkhead around the ductwork, isntalled some pot lights, and replaced the ceiling with new sheetrock. I'm currently in the painting stage.

With regard to your ACS survey, all I can say is ROFLMAO.

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C'mon PowerStroker, we both know the only pool you can play is "Pocket Pool".

What's this new furnature for? Show? LOL!



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I POCKET POOL................... BUT I ALWAYS HIT DAT CORNER POCKET INTO MY MOMS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Hows the pool table treating you PowerStroker?

And Stoma, how's your Mom's ass? 



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Pool table is at my brothers house right now. He had been storing it for me since I sold my townhome. Within the next month or so I'm going to have room for it again once the basement is de-cluttered.

Regarding the census, I probably should have done more than laugh at you about it, and convince you that it is worth doing. In order for our government to make informed policy decisions, they need to aggregate information about the citizenry. The census is how they do this, and it also determines how many congressional representatives you get in Congress, so if you like being represented it would be wise not to ignore it.

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You never got the ACS back when I wrote this? You made it seem like you didnt, which bothered me a bit.

I bumped the thread because I been reading that they are going to do another one.

Maybe youll feel differently if you get one this time and I dont?

Your bro has probably been enjoying your table, maybe even had sex on it a few times by now. lol



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One thing the census may do is there are 11 districts where one is OAC. They are considering 2 ways to get rid of her, one primary her out, the other counting on the census, eliminate her district.

Another thing it does is for every 770000 illegals, that means 1 more seat in the house. At over 100K a month and getting worse that 2 more seats. Guess who.

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Is there something specific about AOC's voting record that you find offensive when compared to all of the other Dems?

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Her socialist retard agenda. Matter of fact I can't stand any of the 3 stooges.

 

Not to mention her dumb ideas and statements. Such as "Problems at the VA are just a myth"



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So no then, nothing about her voting record that stands out among the Democrats, got it thanks!

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So no then, nothing about her voting record that stands out among the Democrats, got it thanks!


 Why do you insist on pinning it to her voting record....

 

We do not like HOW she got elected...

 

We do not like the programs she claims to support...

 

The Democrats are distancing themselves from her already less than 6 months into her first term...

 

Democrats will primary her out of office because she is an embarrassment...

 

Typical LEFTIST, always looking for someway to frame a conversation that favors their agenda...

 

 



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What about how she got elected bothers you?

She was voted in by the people, Trump was voted in by the Electoral College against the will of a majority of voters. In my mind, her rise to power seems much more noble.

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What about how she got elected bothers you?

She was voted in by the people, Trump was voted in by the Electoral College against the will of a majority of voters. In my mind, her rise to power seems much more noble.


 

Because you are obviously to ignorant to grasp the difference between a district vs the entire country...

 

She got the nomination through a casting call...that is what bothers me...

 

but I am sure you knew this already...

 

and Trump won the constitutional election...

 

we understand you want to change the constitution because you want a full on democracy...

 

and that is WHY we are on the brink of civil war....the majority of the states are not going to concede national elections to 4 of 50  states 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Those 4 states are the population centers, I say let the popular vote decide.

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Those 4 states are the population centers, I say let the popular vote decide.


 

Well our CONSTITUTION says different...

 

When you have the states needed to change the constitution then you can try....good luck getting the other 46 to go along....

 

 

LMFAO






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Those 4 states are the population centers, I say let the popular vote decide.


 

You only say that because 

a) You lost

b) You lost

c) You know illegals voting is a ramped problem in these population centers.

Why do you hate your country so much PowerStroker?



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Then why didn't you participate in the ACS back when it was out?

Why do you not have any concern about the future of the country? Why do you feel the need to just give it away, along with all your money and everyone else's?



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I filled out the census last time. I don't recall it being that enormous packet you got though, which still makes me giggle.

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Well then WTF!? 

Maybe you didn't fill out a census form after all! Maybe it was just an absentee ballot you were filling out to hand into your union rep? That sounds more than likley because you would for sure remember if you took the ACS, which obviously you did not.



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Somalia sounding pretty good these days?


 

So how is life living under a refugee Somalian congressperson, PowerStroker!? 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How karma has a way of working it's magic! lol

You might as well book a trip to Somalia so you can get "the real feel" of your future! 



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Poor PS. he cant help it. He was born a retard. Why you pickin on him

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I'm not in Congresswoman Omar's district, I have Angie Craig as my Congresswoman.

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