Bitch please, what was the Dow when Obama took office, and what was it when he left?

It was 7,949 when Obama took office, and 19,830 when he left.

Are you suggesting that the DJI being up a couple hundred points and happening to hit the 20K mark this week is somehow because Trump took over. It would have happened even if Obama was still president. A couple hundred point swing can happen in a normal day. What's really impressive is how much the DJI improved over the last 8 years if you ask me. Actually it may be time to start selling stocks if the Trump presidency is going to be anything like the last Bush one.

PowerStroker wrote:

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Bitch please, what was the Dow when Obama took office, and what was it when he left?

It was 7,949 when Obama took office, and 19,830 when he left.

Are you suggesting that the DJI being up a couple hundred points and happening to hit the 20K mark this week is somehow because Trump took over ?... It would have happened even if Obama was still president. A couple hundred point swing can happen in a normal day. What's really impressive is how much the DJI improved over the last 8 years if you ask me. Actually it may be time to start selling stocks if the Trump presidency is going to be anything like the last Bush one.

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 This makes sense, & it has a trend to back it up.

I'm sure it will start to spiral downwards, sooner or later, as all trends do.

The world has yet to see Mr.Trump & his international diplomacy in action...I'm sure we'll be in for a real treat then.

 

Cheers,

 

Rastus

Bitch I'm the one that taught you about quantitative easing years ago. It is one of the measures that were taken by the Federal Reserve during the Obama administration to help get us out of the Bush recession. It and many other measures I should say. Yes QE does tend to de-value our currency, but the alternative would have been an all out depression which would have done worse. Obama didn't exactly inherit a thriving economy like Trump did. Often Obama had to choose between the lesser of evils, I'd say he did pretty well.

I will agree with your statement that the DJI is artificially inflated relative to what it was prior to the Obama administration. But you should know that it is because one of it's core companies - General Motors was booted out of it because they went bankrupt at the end of the Bush administration and they were replaced by Cisco Systems. Citigroup was also booted in favor of Travelers insurance group so the DJI would be less reflective of the horrible subprime mortgage mess that was weighing down the DJI. By removing of GM, the DJI became less reflective of the entire economy because it no longer had a big industrial stock weighing it down. Obama doesn't make decisions about which companies are on the DJI, that's mostly your buddies.

Have they made America great again yet?

If you liked Bush, you're going to loooooooooove Trump.

Excuse me... President Trump.

Rastus wrote:

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Bush didn't only mess America up you know, he messed the whole world up, in such a way, that we're going to be talking about him forever....

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 Bush is an American hero who did a job no-one else had the balls to do!

If 9/11 happened on Obama's watch we would have apologized to everyone before sending them billions in cash money... 

It's an outright joke, really... Maybe someone will run a few Jumbo jets into Melbourne sky scrapers and you can tell me how to best handle it...

Here you go.....

americanbuilt.us/videos/911-wtc.shtml

And that's just the start....

Ciao,

Rastus

 

-- Edited by Rastus on Wednesday 25th of January 2017 10:40:22 PM

OMG,

I never thought I'd say this SELLC, as I thought of you as a friend, but you are a fool. A really big ignorant one. And I hope that one day, you realize that your whole life is sadly based upon bullshit. And you are so compelled to believe in fantasy, that I pity you, & your family, & wish you the sincerest best for the future, as you really do need help, that I can't offer you.

The only insult SELLC, is to me, believe it or not, as I actually thought you had an open mind that sought out the truth, but clearly you are blinded by bull-shit, & would rather defend bull-shit, than face the facts. This is really, really as sad state of affairs.

What are you going to do when your vision of Mr.Trump turns into a likely nightmare ?...

All the best,

Rastus

SELLC,

Mr.Bush jr & his administration are accountable for mass murder under false alleged intelligence. If that doesn't bother you as a human being, & you won't even take a look at the amazing amount of evidence that proves gross miss-conduct & violations of the privilege-of-office with regards to the events of 9/11, then the problem regretfully remains with you my friend, in your conscience & whom-evers ass you decide to keep your head in... At this moment in time, I'd say it's Mr.Trumps.

As for me being bi-polar ?...I doubt it, since I'm usually in a pretty neutral state-of-mind at most times. Rarely to I go violent, & hardly do I ROFLMAO. I let any build-up of emotions out through my music, & through the throttle of my motorcycles. I decided many tears ago, that the world was a far too unpleasant a place to raise a family, & I didn't want to have to lie to my children that everything's fine & dandy. People like Mr.Bush only ensure me that I've made the correct decision.

I've always whilst been on this forum had a soft spot for you to be honest, as everyone appeared to always be attacking you. I admired the fact that you're a self-employed trades-person who runs his own business, & raises a family too. I always felt that with most of whatever disagreements were had here, were ultimately dealt with discussion to find the middle ground, hence communications with PowerStroker.

I like PowerStroker, as he does have an open mind, & is prepared to change it if proved incorrect, & go with the flow peacefully. Regretfully SELLC, from what I can tell, you would rather go down with the wrong team than admit to being incorrect about something. That's a scary way to live your life, as your stubborness will start fights for sure, though you can't end them, even if you know you're out-of-place. This means you place yourself in a corner that you can't ever move away from, even though your loyalty may be miss-placed. I suggest a lot of Europe still remains this way, & why the stupid war in "Yugoslavia" started & couldn't be resolved in the 1990's.

I'm so glad that my dear Grand-father chose to immigrate to Australia, & not the US-of-A or Canada when the opportunity was offered after WW-II, as he had the foresight & brains to realize that it's all bull-shit, not worth getting caught-up in.

Believe it or not, Australia is the best place in the world to live, & once again, you're more than welcome to come & live here. That goes for everyone.

Cheers,

Rastus

SELLC wrote:

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Have you ever been to the USA Rastus?

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Hello,

Yes, I have been to the US-of-A. It was with my grand-parents in May of 1974, during the Watergate scandal. I remember plenty even though I was only 4-years-old, but I had no choice in the matter, as my Grand-father wouldn't go on the trip if one of the grand-children didn't go with them. My older brother had already been twice overseas by this time with my parents, & since my little sister was all of 2-years old, I was the pick to go jet-setting around the world...

From what I do remember, the people were no different to anywhere else I traveled to, & everyone was really excited & happy to see each other again after so many years away from one-another, & their common home country of Poland, that was actually still called West Germany at the end of the war, before the lines on the map changed again...My grandparents are now sadly long gone, & I can't remember exactly the place / town we stayed with friends was named in the US-of-A, except to say that it was in the South, & I clearly remember chasing fire-flies around at sunset time, & the strange green glow from their bodies. I'm 90% sure it was Alabama that we stayed a while with friends.

I remember plenty of Europe, the sights, ferry's traveled, lots of airports & aeroplanes. We mainly flew with KLM for the international flights, & TWA for the US-of-A domestic ones.

Ultimately, my recollections as a child were that Europe was a very sad place, everywhere you went, including Germany where my Dad's side grand-parents resided. People were happy to see & meet you, but sad at heart. The US-of-A, & the folks we met there were more like home, & I would have been happy to stay for-ever. In fact, I remember not wanting to leave the place & the fire-flies lol.

Times change however, & no doubt different parts of America are as different as countries in Europe.

I have a US-of-A visa, as I need it for my job as a marine engineer, though there's been no need to go there as an adult for work reasons as yet, & the industry seems to be dying rather than blooming, so I doubt a visit in the future will be possible either. This is sad too, because I completed my cadetship with a Canadian company known as TK shipping, though they proved to be nothing more than a globalist company that bought Australian vessels & crew, to then sell-off when needed to make a profit. I guess at least I can say I sailed on a few Oil Tankers LOL !

Ciao,

Rastus

-- Edited by Rastus on Thursday 26th of January 2017 09:53:17 AM

You wanna know a secret... The first time I was old enough to vote for president was in the 2000 election, and I voted for Bush because I was raised by a Republican family.

I didn't start out hating him, and I don't hate him as a person. I hate what his policies have done to the world. I hate that half of this country, people I truly consider friends, continue to support those policies to this day. I hate when ideology "trumps" science in the minds and hearts of so many people.

PowerStroker wrote:

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You wanna know a secret... The first time I was old enough to vote for president was in the 2000 election, and I voted for Bush because I was raised by a Republican family.

I didn't start out hating him, and I don't hate him as a person. I hate what his policies have done to the world. I hate that half of this country, people I truly consider friends, continue to support those policies to this day. I hate when ideology "trumps" science in the minds and hearts of so many people.

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 Blaming your parents for voting Bush? LOL... You defiantly are a Democrat PowerStroker! LOL - I'll give you that!

I had to edit this because you are definitely and defiantly a Democrat. LOL

-- Edited by SELLC on Friday 27th of January 2017 12:09:06 PM

I was actually hoping that no one would notice... The market has been sliding the past few days...

IIRC this is typical "correction" that would be seen under any conservative leadership, the difference here being that Trump has some ideas that could spur it well higher than 20k...

It is no secret that the markets will rise and fall, such is the natural order of things and honestly we can not discount the fact that the market has not ever been artificially inflated or propped up under Trump, unlike when Obama had the luxury of QE 1-2-3.

I don't play around in the market, never have... Probably never will unless I take a company public. 

And lets not forget PowerStroker, traditionally the markets sag a little around this time but rebound in tax seasons. I got a feeling what we are seeing is nothing more than the classic "Christmas and New Years hangover". Outside of a war flaring up, I bet the market will rebound to unheard of highs although at some point they will have to come back down. The artificial quantitive easing method was just that... Artificial! Welcome to the big boy market PowerStroker!

Yeah, it took a long time for Rastus to show his true Liberal colors... But by gawd once Trump got in office he couldn't take it no more! LOL

And Gerry... lol, he was logged on the other night but never posted anything.. Probably trolling the AFR.

These individuals sure seemed to enjoy reading my post when I was down, but now that I have somewhat gotten up they have turned on me... 

At least you have always been an a$$hole Stoma... If there is one thing we can all count on...

stoma wrote:

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DAMN STRAIGHT.................. IM DA REAL DEAL, DA ONE AND ONLY.

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 You "Da" real deal alright...

It's because the US court of appeals but the kibosh on the immigrant ban so now our economy can keep chugging along with the remaining Obama momentum that it still has. Thanks for playing though!

YO RASTA..... IM DA ONLY TRUE RED-WHITE-AND BLUE-BLOODED REPUBLICAN ON DIS HERE FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REX AINT NOTHIN BUT A FUCKIN POSER............... AINT EVEN LEGALLY ALLOWED TO VOTE, FUCKIN CAWK SUCKKKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LIVIN OFF DA OBAMA IPHONE........... GETTIN GOV'T CHEESE AND BENEFITS........... BET THAT CAWK SUCKKKA EVEN HAS OBAMACARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

IF YOU AINT A REPUBLICAN...... THEN YOU ARE AN UNAMERICAN COMMIE LOVIN CROAT LIKE REX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

U-S-A!!!!!!!! U-S-A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!U-S-A!!!!!!!!!!!!!U-S-A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PowerStroker wrote:

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It's because the US court of appeals but the kibosh on the immigrant ban so now our economy can keep chugging along with the remaining Obama momentum that it still has. Thanks for playing though!

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 Really? 

When Hillary Clinton recently tweeted 3-0, I heard that meant MI, WI, and PA... The three traditionally blue states that cost her the election.

In other news, the DOW is up yet another 140 points! Hovering nearly around 20,500... This without any forums of quantitive easing or tax payer infusion. I am starting to think QE was more or less an affirmative action by the Federal Reserve, much like how lower performing students get allowed into prestigious collages over others with higher grades, because of their minority status. 

I think it's clear... The Democrat "party" is over. The days of them spreading their misery to everyone else are over, now they can wallow in everything they been shoveling, by themselves.

PowerStroker wrote:

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Oh yeah, Wall Street is very excited because Trump is de-regulating everything again. You know, like how it was when Bush did it which resulted in the Great Recession. Enjoy the bubble while it lasts bro.

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 Actually PowerStroker, I don't recall anything being deregulated when Bush was in office... In fact I recall living in my business, doing my thing until along come Obama and the banks couldn't fund their own checks... And trust me when I say I've checked the timelines more than once!

Think about it... Lots of American people had hope for change, but the banks and the rest of the world were like "WTF"!? It wasn't until the 2th term where we had already thrown some $6 trillion behind the kid (Obama) before things started to even get close to plaining out! And we would still see more quantitive easing all thru his 2nd term! Let's face the facts, Bush had it under control, and he even left YUUUGE chucks of cash for Obama to right the tide... Obama did what could, could it have been more? I'd like to think so! 

But it all worked out, and judging from what I see in town and in the markets, people are finally back out in the stores... I even had to wait 30 minutes at a restaurant I enjoy eating at whereas I have never had to wait before. There is a sense of confidence, the bars are even doing better although I think they should allow smoking at all the bars and restaurants that want to allow it... Right now you can only smoke in the Casino's here in Michigan, so obviously that's why I prefer going down to Detroit when going out to eat.

You can not deny that confidence is higher under President Trump, if only because people feel like they can rely on him doing what he says and doing everything in his power to keep his promises. You have to admit, you feel better when you almost know what to expect from someone, whereas with Obama, hell... Who knows what he was going to brew up from day to day. Hell I thought he really was a muslim plant for at least 6 years of his term! I couldn't understand or know what to expect! I feel much better! I don't know about you!

ALL THIS BULLSHIT TALK AND REX THINKS HE KNOWS SOMETHIN...............................


LET ME PHRASE IT FOR YOU, TAILPIPE...................... THERE ARE 2 TYPES OF PEOPLE HERE. THE HAVE NOTS............................ AND THE HAVE'ERS. YOU BE A HAVE NOT..............SO SUCK MY CAWK BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bitch ?...I thought he was a "Tail-pipe" ?...

RAS-ANUS............. YOU CAWK SUCKKKIN HIV CUM GARGLIN ASSTRALIAN DOUCHE WAD, GET IT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REX'S STREET NAME IS TAILPIPE ACCORDING TO CASINO EMPLOYEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REX SUPPOSEDLY IS POPULAR WITH DA OLD GERIATRIC LGBTQ COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOW crest the 30,000 mark today under President Trump, even with the Democrats efforts to steal the election.

Should the Democrats manage to pull off the scam then I have no doubts that come January 20th the market will start it's decent. 

The markets have been pumped for quite awhile now and it's about time for the dump.

The Federal Reserve has been in the business of buying stocks since QE1 under Obama! But now, out of the blue and under Trump you seem to think it's a bad idea?

I have always said the Government has no business in the "free" market... but I am sure other Governments around the world have been doing the same thing, except we can't trade on their markets. We're the only dumb fucks in the world that will let foreign investors buy out our entire business sector, Democrats that is.

Welcome back Stoma! This place just isn't the same without you.