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Who could deny that?

China is literally and openly focusing their tariffs to target people who are pro - Trump!

Yet all we hear about is Russian interference? This doesn't make any sense! 

Why is this not being talked about?



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China isn't the only one, Canada is also focusing their tariffs on red state products. It's not election meddling though, it's targeted retaliation within a free market.

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Wow... Look at how easily you're dismissing that! Even adding to the fire with unpleasant but truthful facts about Canada!

Yet liberals will sit here and lecture us about Russian election meddling and collusion?



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Russia acted in a manner to actually purge people from the US voter rolls and flooded the internet with propaganda for the purpose of getting a specific person elected. China and Canada are retaliating for economic reasons, and rightly so.

China and Canada are waging a counter attack against our ECONOMY, Russia attacked our DEMOCRACY, two very different things.



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Do you have proof that Russia purged people from voter rolls!? Remember PowerStroker, I was involved in the Michigan re-count. 

Propaganda is just that, and it was paid for all legal like with almost ALL news outlets profiting from it. It wasn't an issue for them until "after" the check had cleared huh?

No PowerStroker, what China and Canada are doing is exactly what you call collusion and meddling but I got news for them, it didn't work for Hillary and the Democrats and it's not going to work for them! 



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http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data/

You may be involved in as many recounts as you want, but if people were purged from the rolls and therefore not even given a ballot when they showed up to vote, your count won't reflect the will of the people, no matter how good you are at counting the ballots of the people who did get to vote.

I'm a very strong supporter of returning balloting and voter rolls to actual paper for exactly this reason, and implementing nationwide same day registration... Which should be bipartisan.

What Putin giveth you, Putin can taketh away if we don't lock this shit down.



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This is absolute bologna!

This Russian election meddling happened while OBAMA was President! This is OBAMA'S fault! 

Had the Democrats not been so busy trying to fix the election themselves they might have been able to do something to prevent it. In any case, there was absolutely nothing a private citizen and candidate for President (Trump), could have done about it at the time. Now that Trump is the President he IS doing something about it, along with all the other election scams the Dems have employed over the years, from encouraging illegal immigrants to vote, to outright fraud by entire districts!

I don't feel just anyone should be able to vote! I feel the people that vote should PROVE they are a citizen and PROVE they reside in the district they are voting! There should be no loophole for your party to cheat! They literally pass around absentee ballots and force the vulnerable to sign them - regardless if they are a citizen. They will load buses full of people and drive them all around to vote as many times as they like. 

Your party is crooked PowerStroker, it has been proven many times over and countless people have been charged.



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You know what, I'm not afraid of democracy. If it is truly the will of the people to steer to the right for a while, I will accept it so long as there is no foreign interference or shady tactics being used to kick people in low income / minority / college / urban / or traditionally blue areas off the voter rolls.

Democrats do make an effort to register as many citizens to vote as they can, especially in the aforementioned areas for obvious reasons.

Republicans actively seek to reduce the voting populace in the aforementioned areas. They have been doing it since the 1980's, and the following video explains why:



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I'm not entirely sure I understand what you are trying to get at with the video..

Do you mean to tell me when less informed people do not vote the nation gets better results?

That makes sense.



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It's common knowledge that the elections are rigged lol ! GWB proved that one back in 2004.

I wouldn't bother with taking the time to do so, but it's nice to know that the Democrats make an effort to make you think that your vote is important, even if it isn't necessarily counted...

I'd be more concerned with how gullible we are to suspect that overseas nations effect how citizens/sheeple vote.

All this "psychobabble" seems to be working too, as it keeps everyone distracted from the important issues.

Let's all look forward to the next tweet from the prez lol !

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I'm not entirely sure I understand what you are trying to get at with the video..

Do you mean to tell me when less informed people do not vote the nation gets better results?

That makes sense.


Nope, Paul Weyrich was explaining that the leverage had by conservatives in any election is greater - the smaller the percentage of eligible voters who actually vote is, and he's right.

This is the reason for all of the voting restrictions being placed on people. Whether it's reducing the number of polling places and voting machines in lower income and minority areas to create long lines... Voter ID laws to disenfranchise people who don't have a drivers license (common in big cities btw) and big cities generally go blue. Voter ID laws also disenfranchise the elderly who may have given up driving years ago and are stuck in a nursing home and are unable to get a state issued ID. Often this is done under the guise of preventing "voter fraud" which you'd think is a huge problem if you watch a lot of Fox News, but in reality it's extremely rare. Other tactics being used to lower the number of actual voters is purging the voter rolls through techniques like "caging" whereby (in the interest of keeping the voter roll data "current") people in traditionally blue areas are mailed something that looks like junk mail, but is actually something they have to mail back in order to prove they are still a resident or else get kicked off the voter rolls. In the event they don't realize what it is, and toss it like any other junk mail, they won't be given a ballot the next time they go to vote... And now there is even proof that Russia has hacked the voter rolls of several states, and I doubt they were just looking around. Russia could have surgically purged huge numbers of eligible voters in strategic swing states and we would never know. Another thing that has been done is the "accidental" purging from the voting rolls anyone who happens to have the same name as a convicted felon. Clearly Rex, if you were given a ballot last time, there must not have ever been another Rex Umney convicted of a crime anywhere, so you're lucky.

The aforementioned are what we know for sure, but they are not the only methods being used to make an election less than fair. Since electronic voting machines have been implemented, a new phenomenon called "red shift" has been happening regularly whereby the exit polls don't match the vote tally or even come close, and almost always in the Republican's favor. Here is some info on it:

https://www.electiondefense.org/how-to-part-eleven/

With all of the voter suppression and worse, it's a wonder a liberal ever wins.

I'm a lot more worried about "election fraud" than "voter fraud" because there are a hell of a lot more evidence of it. I worry about my country, what is happening to our shining city on the hill?



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It's common knowledge that the elections are rigged lol ! GWB proved that one back in 2004.

I wouldn't bother with taking the time to do so, but it's nice to know that the Democrats make an effort to make you think that your vote is important, even if it isn't necessarily counted...

I'd be more concerned with how gullible we are to suspect that overseas nations effect how citizens/sheeple vote.

All this "psychobabble" seems to be working too, as it keeps everyone distracted from the important issues.

Let's all look forward to the next tweet from the prez lol !


 

Doubt that Rastus, I recently closed my Twitter account because they were trying to prevent me from calling foul on the liberal football handling of Mandela. 

China and Canada ARE meddling in the US election with their targeted tariffs and just the other night I myself felt like a target as we were tossed out of a hotel room!

It's getting pretty interesting, never a dull moment.



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China and Canada are openly messing with our economy in a manner that may effect the way people choose to vote, but they are not messing with the election itself like Russia did/does.

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I'm not entirely sure I understand what you are trying to get at with the video..

Do you mean to tell me when less informed people do not vote the nation gets better results?

That makes sense.


Nope, Paul Weyrich was explaining that the leverage had by conservatives in any election is greater - the smaller the percentage of eligible voters who actually vote is, and he's right.

This is the reason for all of the voting restrictions being placed on people. Whether it's reducing the number of polling places and voting machines in lower income and minority areas to create long lines... Voter ID laws to disenfranchise people who don't have a drivers license (common in big cities btw) and big cities generally go blue. Voter ID laws also disenfranchise the elderly who may have given up driving years ago and are stuck in a nursing home and are unable to get a state issued ID. Often this is done under the guise of preventing "voter fraud" which you'd think is a huge problem if you watch a lot of Fox News, but in reality it's extremely rare. Other tactics being used to lower the number of actual voters is purging the voter rolls through techniques like "caging" whereby (in the interest of keeping the voter roll data "current") people in traditionally blue areas are mailed something that looks like junk mail, but is actually something they have to mail back in order to prove they are still a resident or else get kicked off the voter rolls. In the event they don't realize what it is, and toss it like any other junk mail, they won't be given a ballot the next time they go to vote... And now there is even proof that Russia has hacked the voter rolls of several states, and I doubt they were just looking around. Russia could have surgically purged huge numbers of eligible voters in strategic swing states and we would never know. Another thing that has been done is the "accidental" purging from the voting rolls anyone who happens to have the same name as a convicted felon. Clearly Rex, if you were given a ballot last time, there must not have ever been another Rex Umney convicted of a crime anywhere, so you're lucky.

The aforementioned are what we know for sure, but they are not the only methods being used to make an election less than fair. Since electronic voting machines have been implemented, a new phenomenon called "red shift" has been happening regularly whereby the exit polls don't match the vote tally or even come close, and almost always in the Republican's favor. Here is some info on it:

https://www.electiondefense.org/how-to-part-eleven/

With all of the voter suppression and worse, it's a wonder a liberal ever wins.

I'm a lot more worried about "election fraud" than "voter fraud" because there are a hell of a lot more evidence of it. I worry about my country, what is happening to our shining city on the hill?

 


 

So basically you're trying to stereotype the conservatives as the "haves" and the liberals as the "have nots"? And historically speaking there has always been more numbers in the "have not" column? Is that what you and your Youtube buddy are trying to say? 

I guess as a mater of practicality I would have to agree with both of you, however could it be possible that people just had more faith in Trump than Hillary? Is that even a remote possibility in your liberal mind?



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I'm not stereotyping conservatives as anything here except that some of their operatives are willing to sacrifice democracy in order to accomplish their political goals. I don't believe the regular conservative person would be ok with their tactics, at least I hope not.

Regarding whether people had more faith in Trump than Hillary, I guess we will never know now will we?

Oh wait, yeah we do, Hillary won the popular vote by almost 3 million even with all the aforementioned shit stacked against her.

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Explains why I keep getting treated like $hit regardless what City I visit...

 



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I'm not stereotyping conservatives as anything here except that some of their operatives are willing to sacrifice democracy in order to accomplish their political goals. I don't believe the regular conservative person would be ok with their tactics, at least I hope not.

Regarding whether people had more faith in Trump than Hillary, I guess we will never know now will we?

Oh wait, yeah we do, Hillary won the popular vote by almost 3 million even with all the aforementioned shit stacked against her.


 Yeah and 3.5 mil were illegal voters. Trump voters are delplorables. Hillarys are deportables.



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If illegals were truly voting, don't you think many of them would be voting Republican?

Mexicans are majority Catholic, and Catholics are generally strongly anti-abortion. It would seem that illegals could have benefited Trump in the election if they happen to be single issue voters. Lots of people are that way. Some get worked up about guns, some about abortion, some about gays, and on and on. Those are the most easily manipulated people in the world. They will let you rob them absolutely blind, so long as you agree with them on their one token issue and give them "emotional" compensation by at least pretending to fight for their one issue.

I really don't think we can credit Hillary's popular vote win to "deportables" but if blaming Mexicans makes you feel better... Eh, you still shouldn't, at least not without proof of their effect on the election anyway.

 



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Explains why I keep getting treated like $hit regardless what City I visit...

 


 

LOL ! Classic post !

Are you sure the issue isn't with the Trump-Gold-Card ?...



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Explains why I keep getting treated like $hit regardless what City I visit...

 


 

LOL ! Classic post !

Are you sure the issue isn't with the Trump-Gold-Card ?...


 

Well I didn't wear my MAGA hat or flash my Trump card... Although I may have to start doing that again so I have a valid reason to cite discrimination brought on by a well known mental condition they call "Trump Derangement Syndrome".

 



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Explains why I keep getting treated like $hit regardless what City I visit...

 


 

LOL ! Classic post !

Are you sure the issue isn't with the Trump-Gold-Card ?...


 

Well I didn't wear my MAGA hat or flash my Trump card... Although I may have to start doing that again so I have a valid reason to cite discrimination brought on by a well known mental condition they call "Trump Derangement Syndrome".

 


 

 

You may well be onto something here....



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You're damn straight!

MAGA!



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PORTLAND, Maine The now-disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to support claims of widespread voter fraud, according to an analysis of administration documents released Friday.

In a letter to Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who are both Republicans and led the commission, Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap said the documents show there was a "pre-ordained outcome" and that drafts of a commission report included a section on evidence of voter fraud that was "glaringly empty."

"It's calling into the darkness, looking for voter fraud," Dunlap, a Democrat, told The Associated Press. "There's no real evidence of it anywhere."

Republican President Donald Trump convened the commission to investigate the 2016 presidential election after making unsubstantiated claims that between 3 million and 5 million ballots were illegally cast. Critics, including Dunlap, reject his claims of widespread voter fraud.

The Trump administration last month complied with a court order to turn over documents from the voting integrity commission to Dunlap. The commission met just twice and has not issued a report.

Dunlap's findings received immediate pushback Friday from Kobach, who acted as vice chair of the commission while Pence served as chair.

"For some people, no matter how many cases of voter fraud you show them, there will never be enough for them to admit that there's a problem," said Kobach, who is running for Kansas governor and has a good chance of unseating the incumbent, Jeff Colyer, in the Republican primary Tuesday.

"It appears that Secretary Dunlap is willfully blind to the voter fraud in front of his nose," Kobach said in a statement released by his spokesman.

Kobach said there have been more than 1,000 convictions for voter fraud since 2000, and that the commission presented 8,400 instances of double voting in the 2016 election in 20 states.

"Had the commission done the same analysis of all 50 states, the number would have been exponentially higher," Kobach said.

In response, Dunlap said those figures were never brought before the commission, and that Kobach hasn't presented any evidence for his claims of double voting. He said the commission was presented with a report claiming over 1,000 convictions for various forms of voter misconduct since 1948.

"The plural of anecdote is not data," Dunlap said in his Friday letter to the shuttered commission's leaders.

Pence's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday.

Dunlap said he is unsure whether the administration has released all relevant documents, and said the matter is in litigation. He said he was repeatedly rebuffed when he sought access to commission records including meeting materials, witness invitations and correspondence.

Dunlap released his findings on a website .

Emails released by Dunlap and promoted by the nonprofit American Oversight, which represented Dunlap, include examples of Republican voting integrity commissioners emailing each other as they worked on information requests without including Democrats.

"Indeed, a very few commissioners worked to buttress their pre-ordained conclusions shielded from dissent or dialogue from those commissioners not included in the discussions," Dunlap said in his Friday letter.

In a June 2017 email, commissioner Christy McCormick unsuccessfully tried to suggest that the commission hire a statistician she knew. "When I was at DOJ, we had numerous discussions that made me pretty confident that he is conservative (and Christian, too)," said McCormick, in reference to the U.S. Department of Justice.

The emails also show some commission members had planned to ask for an interstate database used to identify duplicate voter registrations, as well as lists of individuals deemed ineligible for federal jury service due to death, relocation, convictions or lack of citizenship. It wasn't clear in the emails whether or not such requests ended up being fulfilled, Dunlap said.

In two November 2017 emails, Republican commission member and election lawyer J. Christian Adams emailed all members and said there hadn't been any prosecutions for double voting or any non-citizen voting in years. "Understanding the extent of un-prosecuted and known election crimes can inform the commission's recommendations," Adams said.

Adams also called for U.S. Customs and Immigration Services to obtain metadata from citizenship applications as well as a list of individuals removed from the U.S. due to their unlawful participation in elections.

"Many applicants note they have been registered to vote and are voting," Adams said.

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Associated Press writer John Hanna in Topeka, Kansas, contributed to this report.



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Its nice to see that the MSM is finally saying what I have been saying since July!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/17/major-foreign-power-is-interfering-in-our-elections-and-its-not-who-think.html

Yet Democrats wast trillions with their fake Russian collusion investigations while China has placed tariffs on BILLIONS worth of goods - illegally!

Lets be clear: World Trade Organization rules allow member nations (including China and the U.S.) to impose tariffs on imports for specific reasons. These reasons include: as a safeguard against a surge in imports; if national security is threatened; and if imports are being illegally subsidized or dumped at below-market prices.

Influencing elections in another country is not on the World Trade Organization list of justifications for tariffs.



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The Trump administration recently imposed tariffs on China and other nations following a lengthy, open and thorough investigation. The Commerce Department examined reams of evidence to determine if foreign products and companies had received government subsidies or were engaged in illegal trade practices.

That examination found that South Korean washing machines were being dumped at below-market prices, to cite one example.

And more significantly, the examination found that hundreds of products are being illegally subsidized by the Chinese government in order to gain an unfair advantage over U.S. businesses and our other trading partners selling products to Americans.

China, on the other hand, doesn't even try to justify its tariffs on grounds recognized by the World Trade Organization.

You haven't heard Beijing claim that Yangtze farmers are being crippled by imports of Iowa soybeans. Or that China's whiskey distillers are drowning in a surge of imported Jack Daniels bourbon. Or the Shanghainese are slaking their thirst with California wine that's been deliberately underpriced to drive Chinese vintners out of business.

You haven't heard these things because China uses tariffs as economic sanctions to force regime change - in the U.S.



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Associated Press

Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud

 
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PORTLAND, Maine The now-disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to support claims of widespread voter fraud, according to an analysis of administration documents released Friday.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Correct, "they" didn't. Once disbanded and duties given over to Homeland security. "THEY" DID



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Me thinks that the AP stories people are posting look all fucked up. 

Bipartisanly speaking of course.



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Lots cases, don't know about prosecutions Sessions isn't much on nailing anyone. You've seen them, you just choose to ignore it. Just like you ignored AFTER the voter fraud was turned over to a competent authority it was found EVERYWHERE. Fact is, voter fraud is rampant and like Pelosi you like that. DMV in CA gives any illegal who applies voting rights. Mail in ballots for the last election required no ID, NO ssn, nothing, here go vote you illegal fuk.

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I'm actually not aware of any serious voter fraud, which is why I asked about prosecutions.

Now election fraud, I believe is a very real problem.

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Right of foreigners to vote in the United States

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The right of foreigners to vote in the United States[1][2] has historically been a contentious issue. A foreigner, in this context, is an alien or a person who is not a citizen of the United States.

Since 1996, a federal law has prohibited non-citizens from voting in federal elections, punishing them by fines, imprisonment, inadmissibility, and deportation.[3][4][5] Exempt from punishment is any non-citizen who "reasonably believed at the time of voting (...) that he or she was a citizen of the United States," had a parent who is or was a citizen, and began permanently living in the United States before turning 16 years old.[3] The federal law does not prohibit non-citizens from voting in state or local elections

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States

 

Obama was speaking to a citizen in that interview. I did not hear him call for any illegal activities, rather for people who are legal voters who may have family members here illegally to not themselves fear that voting will open up some investigation of their family, and he's right.

Since the aforementioned punishments for illegal voting would be a matter of public record, I would like to see some actual statistics of prosecutions if you please.



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I'm actually not aware of any serious voter fraud, which is why I asked about prosecutions.

Now election fraud, I believe is a very real problem.


 Of course you aren't aware. Madcow, Lemon. Acosta and whatever fake news you trust is never going to talk about it. 90-95 percent mainstream media is liberal/antiTrump/CIA owned and run since the 50's. All you will find are "dirt" stories trying to discredit Trump. What's been on YOUR mainstream. stormy? Omarosa? Bout it.

I'm not as rude as you to suggest you take a long walk off a short pier as you told me but I AM going to suggest you broaden your news intake beyond the liberal mainstream which tells you only what you want to hear. 

The facts are out there. It's not as simple as a compilation of the fraud in all of odumbos 56-58 states but by county. And there are alot of them. Even KY, Ohio very bad, NJ, Fla..... Go read.



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