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Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Space Force...Do we need it ?...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I've heard the U.S. is a signatory to a treaty that bans militarizing space. I'll have to look into it further, but either way it's a bad precedent.

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

PowerStroker wrote:
I've heard the U.S. is a signatory to a treaty that bans militarizing space. I'll have to look into it further, but either way it's a bad precedent.

Agreed...And I thought so too about the US-of-A being a signatory to a treaty that bans militarizing space...However...

According to "David Price" of CounterPunch, Vice President Pence claimed that a 6th Military Branch, aka "Space Force" will be in place by 2020...

(Interesting article if you want to check-it-out. I can't link it as it's in my mailbox, but I'm sure you more computer savvy folks will dig-it-up, along with other stuff)...

-- Edited by Rastus on Monday 13th of August 2018 09:01:16 AM

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

This link should get you there...

www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/10/militarizing-space-starship-troopers-same-as-it-ever-was/

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

We been talking about a "space force" since Reagan suggested the "star wars" space missile defense system!

Yes we need a "space force" because in todays age of satellites and every jag-off from Musk to little Kim putting $hit in orbit, it might become necessary to defend or protect our assets in space.

People just don't understand that these weapons serve as a deterrent at minimum, so there is nothing wrong with a "space force" - in fact it's long overdue!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Except if we do it, everybody else is going to do it too. Do you really like the idea of nukes in permanent orbit of Earth? What if the orbit starts to decay?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I am pretty sure everyone else is already trying to do it PowerStroker! We're just the people who could conceivably do it first.

With regards to "orbit decay", I am pretty sure they have the technology now days to guide them to a safe location upon such an instance.

Guess we better do it before the Saudi's buy Tesla, lOl

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Yeah that's the problem though, we are probably the only country with the technology to do it reliably and safely. Didn't a Chinese satellite just crash a few months ago? Do you really want to open this Pandora's box and have every incompetent nation with nukes try it too.

I thought Conservatives were more developed in the "fight or flight" part of their brains, yet your position is inconsistent with the survival of your entire species.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

It's interesting to read that liberals have classified the conservatives as their own "species", yet I had to chuckle.

Regardless what side of the isle you sit, the idea is to be the first and establish superiority. The idea that others may follow is already a reality anyway - and having the means to intercept or destroy them only supports the notion that we need a "space force".

I think a lot of the space labs and some satellites are in fact nuclear, we even have ships and submarines that are nuclear powered. It's already up there in one form or another anyway!

China's space trash laboratory that fell to the ground is just another example of why China is not the responsible nation it wants everyone to believe it is. They really could give a flying #uck about anyone but themselves and people could see that with Xi's Belt and Road initiative that was more or less a contract to kneel to China in exchange for the gift of their slave labor and intellectual property theft.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Why have Space Force, when you already have this ?....

www.theeventchronicle.com/intel/developing-mastering-and-weaponizing-new-technology-to-control-you/

It makes you understand A.Jones & his earnest forebodings a little clearer IMO.

-- Edited by Rastus on Tuesday 14th of August 2018 01:24:59 AM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

It was an interesting read and I have no doubts they have the technologies they claim in that article you linked above.

I especially like the reference to certain wave forms being used to make people uncomfortable enough to leave an area, which is something I am sure is being deployed everywhere. It is true that Walmarts have jacked into the NSA because I read about this a long time ago, I think I even made a post about it.

None of what is written surprises me, in fact I think the extent of how far they have come isn't even being accurately represented! In other words, that link you posted is just the "lite" version of what really exist today.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Of course we need a space force. Who is going to save the tribbles?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Shawnee_B wrote:
Of course we need a space force. Who is going to save the tribbles?

Speaks for itself I thought lol !

Apparently, all this BS is fired-up from China, where back in 2007, they fired a missile into one of their out-of-service weather-satellites...Everyone was notified accordingly to their intention, so as to avoid any unnecessary panic or issue.

And now we have..........

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

https://history.nasa.gov/1967treaty.html

This is what we're looking for I think...Check it out !

https://www.state.gov/t/isn/5195.htm

And this too...

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Yo,

In the 1st link above, you need to pay close attention to articles IV, XVI, & XVII. It's the most up-to-date UN treaty from NASA, re-validated 2006.

The 2nd link is to SALT II, & its updates.

As voters, & citizens of the US-of-A, it's your duty to ensure that you understand this, so-as-to ensure your Prez doesn't make an ass out of himself, or start WW-III.

Have a nice day,

Rastus

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Eh... The UN is almost broke, and the USA pays the most...

If Trump want's a space force, Trump will get a space force...

The only people who will look like an ass are the people that doubt it.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

And it looks like Russia already has something up there that isn't doing what it's supposed to!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mystery-russian-satellite-apos-apos-084441632.html

So once again, Trump is right... We need a space force!

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Trump is always right. "If you ain't right, you just ain't right"

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

LOL,

The point of having treaties & signatories, is to have an understanding of what you can & can't do, & what everyone's agreed on...

Then, once it's discovered that the agreement has been broken, international prosecution can take place, & sanctions or what ever can be imposed, in an open manner with the public informed about proceedings.

Now, if people are happy with run-away decisions being made without proper investigations, & through officially recognized channels, then all the signed treaties ever made are as good as toilet paper, & all you're left with is a bunch of idiots, doing whatever they want, & sending the country broke in the process, because we allow them to do so.

There are processes that need to be followed here folks, & if they're not, we're all ****ed !

Letting the "Big boys play with their new big toys" because they can, is crazy, & a huge step backwards in our evolution...

It's well beyond time, that we all start seeing ourselves as citizens of one planet, not just one country.

Running the world on the basis that "I've got a bigger prick than you have", takes us back well before the stone age...

-- Edited by Rastus on Thursday 16th of August 2018 09:20:45 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Hey Rastus... I think it's clear the rules don't matter anymore... China think's their communistic government is the beacon of hope for the world and perhaps your country needs a little reminder of just how close you are to China and just how much of an easy target your nation is without US support.

"Let's be clear: World Trade Organization rules allow member nations (including China and the U.S.) to impose tariffs on imports for specific reasons. These reasons include: as a safeguard against a surge in imports; if national security is threatened; and if imports are being illegally subsidized or dumped at below-market prices. Influencing elections in another country is not on the World Trade Organization list of justifications for tariffs."

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/17/major-foreign-power-is-interfering-in-our-elections-and-its-not-who-think.html

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Yo,

Oh c'mon SELLC, everyone knows that Oz is an extension of the UK, just like yourselves !... And I'm pretty sure ( believe it or not ), that the US-of-A is actually closer to China than us, in terms of distances, though you may not think so...

Without getting nitty-gritty about the UN, a great many American & UK gov't people have spoken in a positive way about about China over many decades, & the way they treat their people...Just ask Mr.Rockefeller his thoughts on population control, & China...

I doubt very much that we'd become a target in a major way from any of these folks, simply because I believe that there are NO enemies in the world today. Our gov'ts create / manufacture situations, so as to provide an excuse to have a war / conflict, to keep the dollars rolling in with our current monetary system.

You want peace ?....Get a President who's brave enough to re-instate your gold-based greenback, & lose your "Federal Reserve" monetary system.

Too many leaches sucking the system dry however...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Eh, I think going back to the gold standard would cause even more problems than the current system! Just look back in history to see all the wars that went on over GOLD.

Hey Rastus, what do you think about this?

https://thediplomat.com/2018/05/chinas-risky-plan-for-floating-nuclear-power-plants-in-the-south-china-sea/

So apparently China thinks its a good idea to float nuclear reactors near the disputed islands in the South China Sea!

Oh and FYI, Rastus...

The distance from the South China Sea to Australia is 3102 miles...

The distance from the South China Sea to the USA is 8,304 miles...

So enjoy!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Be a shame if we had to crack a few of them floating reactors open due to a war with China... I imagine its the very reason they want to float them near the disputed islands! Because their experiment with blasting Japans fault line worked so well at pumping radioactive waste onto the shores of the world.

Some real cool friends you got there Rastus! With friends like that who need enemies?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
1.Eh, I think going back to the gold standard would cause even more problems than the current system! Just look back in history to see all the wars that went on over GOLD.
2.Hey Rastus, what do you think about this?
https://thediplomat.com/2018/05/chinas-risky-plan-for-floating-nuclear-power-plants-in-the-south-china-sea/
So apparently China thinks its a good idea to float nuclear reactors near the disputed islands in the South China Sea!
3.Oh and FYI, Rastus...
The distance from the South China Sea to Australia is 3102 miles...
The distance from the South China Sea to the USA is 8,304 miles...
So enjoy!

LOL,

R1. Printed money that's backed-up by a gold standard, will always have greater worth & value than money that has "This note is Legal Tender" printed on it.

R2. Yes, I think a few years ago I posted in the Fukushima thread that the Russians had developed the same Nuke-at Sea & were using it. It makes sense to me that in the event of possible US-of-A aggression & presence in the South China Sea, to place a nuke in the middle of a battle field, to keep the peace lol ! What is the issue with China anyway ? The Brit's gave back Hong Kong after the lease ran out...

I don't hear about any country in S/E Asia screaming for the "Free World" to come & rescue them from Communist China...

IMO, the real issue lay with the IAEA, in allowing these folks to have a nuclear power base in the 1st place. These greedy Mo-Fo's are the source of everyone's problems. So who are these people ?...

R3. I was looking at a little map, similar to the one you posted for my distances, & I think you might agree too, that the US-of-A appears the closer, at least by eye. I was wrong, apologies to everyone !

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
1.Be a shame if we had to crack a few of them floating reactors open due to a war with China...
2.I imagine its the very reason they want to float them near the disputed islands!
3.Because their experiment with blasting Japans fault line worked so well at pumping radioactive waste onto the shores of the world.
4.Some real cool friends you got there Rastus! With friends like that who need enemies?

Yo,

R1. ****'n-A !

R2. ****'n-A !

R3. This "is" a new conspiracy theory that I'd like to hear more about !...Tell us more please !!! (I had 1/2-a-mind that it was all tied-up with the "Elite" & the forecasts made on the Georgia Guide stones, to bring the worlds population down to 500,000,000 maximum)

R4. I think its fair to say that the majority of people in this world, don't want a war. Just because some of our leaders are psychopathic-murdering SOB's does not mean I call them my friends.

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Bump !

It seems that Space force has had a name change, into Star Wars 2...

My understanding of politics, is to have people assembled together, & discuss solutions to problems, for the mutual benefit of all concerned...

So why is Mr.Trump spending countless Billions of taxpayers dollars to break a treaty from NASA back in 1967, that was recognized & signed by over 130-nations ?...

And if some other country has broken their obligation to this treaty, why are we not told about it ?...

Why are the people of the US-of-A doing nothing about it, & not questioning the Dictatorial tactics & actions of Mr.Trump ?....

People of the US-of-A need to take action. The French led the way a few weeks ago.

Nancy for Prez, 2020.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Maybe because if we all relied on places like France or Australia for our national security we'd be fooked!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

National Security = Fear inflicted upon a citizenship, so that psychopathic leaders can continue to manufacture new war-toys, to off-set paranoia created in their own minds.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Actually I think yes we do need it. Seems most dems are in "space" and we gotta have a good way to keep them in check!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Shawnee_B wrote:
Actually I think yes we do need it. Seems most dems are in "space" and we gotta have a good way to keep them in check!

Easy Shawnee !!!

They've only just legalized pot my friend !

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Yo folks,

Here's the latest update on the US-of-A Dictatorships efforts on global supremacy, that breaks a great many signed international treaties, & turns the law unto itself...

Look out US-of-A !!! Dictator Trump has you all by your "short & curly's"...And you're doing nothing about it.

Shame on you !

www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/20/countdown-to-full-spectrum-dominance/

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Rastus wrote:
Shawnee_B wrote:
Actually I think yes we do need it. Seems most dems are in "space" and we gotta have a good way to keep them in check!
Easy Shawnee !!!
They've only just legalized pot my friend !

Not legal here! Some states it is though. Not just medicinal but go to a store and buy it.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Rastus wrote:
Yo folks,

Here's the latest update on the US-of-A Dictatorships efforts on global supremacy, that breaks a great many signed international treaties, & turns the law unto itself...

Look out US-of-A !!! Dictator Trump has you all by your "short & curly's"...And you're doing nothing about it.

Shame on you !

www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/20/countdown-to-full-spectrum-dominance/

I think they have been using space for weapons and stuff quite a while now. Read what you can find on paradise ca for a taste, wasn't a campfire or any normal fire, by any means. Look at the pictures. Cars running liquid metal, that's not any fire by normal means at all. Supposedly many satellites like deep state, CIA were shut off, by POTUS. Harp is not under Harp control anymore. Have you noticed clouds look much more like they did in the past? I see normal contrails going in the normal patterns (like Louisville to Nashville or Atlanta) but no crisscross checkerboard chemtrails lately.

World dominance by 2020? I dunno, I read it but POTUS seems concerned about the US first and foremost.

Check this Paradise by David Wilcock, perhaps you have seen him on "anicient aliens" (about every show)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMrXS9uiQCo

He does some good ET vids too, check out his channel. In one vid ET (whites) is why Paradise was hit and it was hit, no campfire.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

Shawnee_B wrote:
Rastus wrote:
Shawnee_B wrote:
Actually I think yes we do need it. Seems most dems are in "space" and we gotta have a good way to keep them in check!
Easy Shawnee !!!
They've only just legalized pot my friend !
Not legal here! Some states it is though. Not just medicinal but go to a store and buy it.

Colorado is proof legalization should happen in all 50 states....

It is a much safer issue under legalization and regulated....and it generates some very nice tax revenues to spread around the state...

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Yes, the gov't catch-on-quickly when there's $$$ to be made...

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

My Nephew worked the fields in CA, made awesome bucks just trimming. He moved to CA. Had a pic of him by a plant was beautiful! Had to have been 12 feet easy. Son inlaw worked out there too but he did good sometimes got ripped off sometimes.

I don't really care what they do, however there is awesome potential for the states to profit and of course the persons involved from seed to retail sales. And that's a good thing.

It has always been available anyway but legal would be better I spose!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Once upon a time...

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

People should not listen to LEFT WING media....

This idea of fighting in space is not going to happen...

We already have a militarized space...who does not realize we coordinate our troops via satellites...we spy on other countries via satellites...

Neil Tyson makes a point here that destroys the current left wing narrative...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Monday 25th of March 2019 10:39:50 AM

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/03/26/perfectly-smooth-shell-of-a-craft-a-look-inside-the-real-secret-space-program/

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Bump !

Here's an article that lends itself to the Russian perspective on all-of-this Space Force stuff etc etc.

Sorry folks, the link was intercepted, & I can't post...

I'll try again.

-- Edited by Rastus on Monday 22nd of July 2019 09:06:53 PM

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Well, she doesn't want to load, so I'll post these instead...

thebulletin.org/2019/04/united-states-nuclear-forces-2019/

thebulletin.org/2019/03/russian-nuclear-forces-2019/

thebulletin.org/2019/01/french-nuclear-forces-2019/

thebulletin.org/2018/11/indian-nuclear-forces-2018/

thebulletin.org/2018/08/pakistani-nuclear-forces-2018/

thebulletin.org/2018/06/chinese-nuclear-forces-2018/

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Here you go folks !

More interesting articles about new technologies in use NOW, that relate to thread title's 2nd half, "Do we need it" ?....When we have this already....

thebulletin.org/2019/07/the-pentagons-getting-closer-to-fielding-talking-lasers/

thebulletin.org/2019/07/digital-authoritarianism-and-the-threat-to-global-democracy/

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Rastus wrote:
Bump !

Here's an article that lends itself to the Russian perspective on all-of-this Space Force stuff etc etc.

Sorry folks, the link was intercepted, & I can't post...

I'll try again.

-- Edited by Rastus on Monday 22nd of July 2019 09:06:53 PM

How does a link get intercepted exactly? Sounded juicy!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Rastus wrote:
Here you go folks !

More interesting articles about new technologies in use NOW, that relate to thread title's 2nd half, "Do we need it" ?....When we have this already....

thebulletin.org/2019/07/the-pentagons-getting-closer-to-fielding-talking-lasers/

thebulletin.org/2019/07/digital-authoritarianism-and-the-threat-to-global-democracy/

When you think about it Rastus, lasers are the way to go! Far more precise and a powerful enough laser could outrun even the fastest missile and intercept it with almost 100% success rate! It could also be used to take out hostels without large bombs - got a problem with a crack-pot dictator? Fry him with the laser like an ant under a microscope on a sunny day! So much could be made less destructive with high powered lasers and I really think these devices are not being utilized to their potential!

A good laser gun could also take out a drone, or anything else... we have already posted a video of a destroyer taking out the engine of a boat with a high powered laser... I think the potential here outweighs the negatives and you have to agree, it's a hell of a lot better than nukes! Lasers could take out a nuke and prevent one from ever going off or reaching it's target and it really involves no humans once the gear is in place outside of remote operation.

You don't think lasers are a good idea Rastus? Or are you just concerned with them falling into the wrong hands?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:

1.You don't think lasers are a good idea Rastus?

2.Or are you just concerned with them falling into the wrong hands?

LOL !!!

R1. I have really never ever had to consider their use / need to be honest. Not my thing I suppose...

But I'm not completely ignorant to their purpose(s), & all of them seem to be military orientated, as out-lined once again in a great number of the James Bond series of films. eg., Goldfinger, The Man with the Golden Gun, Moonraker, & most recently ( & importantly )*** Golden Eye*** ( among others too) offer a very unique perspective of their ability...

R2. To have a balance of power in the world,( & relative peace ) I think it would be good to see Russia, China, & whoever else with them too.

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

It seems that the Trump Administration & Mr.Putin are keen to "Warm-Up" the "Cold War"....

All in an effort to save the dying Nuke Industry...

A very sad day for the world, read on.

www.beyondnuclear.org/home/2019/8/2/us-and-russia-officially-withdraw-from-inf-treaty.html

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

SELLC wrote:
Eh, I think going back to the gold standard would cause even more problems than the current system! Just look back in history to see all the wars that went on over GOLD.
Hey Rastus, what do you think about this?
https://thediplomat.com/2018/05/chinas-risky-plan-for-floating-nuclear-power-plants-in-the-south-china-sea/
So apparently China thinks its a good idea to float nuclear reactors near the disputed islands in the South China Sea!
Oh and FYI, Rastus...
The distance from the South China Sea to Australia is 3102 miles...
The distance from the South China Sea to the USA is 8,304 miles...
So enjoy!

Actually the only way to FIX the long term problems is to dump the fed and move back to a gold based system...

The real question is how do you get all that shit back into the horse...

It would be painful and the real problem is most the country would be at a disadvantage...

to transition back to a currency based on gold or silver (most likely have to be silver) people in debt will be in a bad position to weather the corrections the economy would have to make over night...

people cash rich will feel like they were ROBBED...

people who are diversified into many different tangible assets would make out like fat cats...

but in the end a large block of our debt is owed to the principal shareholders of the Federal Reserve...

we could tell them to get fucked....then put in a plan to actually start paying the principal on all current bonds...

and not allow deficit spending again...

it would suck for nearly a decade...but the ship can be saved at the expense of those who actually own the Federal Reserve.

it would be very difficult times...more difficult than the 1930's by far...