The left IGNORES anything on their side vept sometimes twists what they did and blame the right for what they do. Your forum doesn't have enough bandwidth to post all crimes, corruption on the left.
If I lived in Minnesota I would have walked in there and asked for the Democrat ballot and voted for the other person, and hell if there wasn't another person I would have filled in the name "Mickey Mouse"!
And FYI - that last dance version of Clinton has a catchy beat! Think I must have replayed it 5 times now!
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I don't know PowerStroker... I assume it's just the way it is... like how my oldest is working out in the garage all the time paying for all the expensive stuff he buys and his truck and firebird and is always asking why his brother gets to play on the computer all the time. I have to look at him and say, I don't know... Ask your Mom, but when he starts running up $500 credit cards bills with $150 a month insurance payments I'll be physically removing his ass from that chair. He shuts up, for a little while anyway.
So I don't know PowerStroker, he is the President of the United States and he is donating his pay to charity because he genuinely wants to get America back on track and secure a positive legacy. When he starts costing us $20 Trillion with no ROI then I promise you, just like my son who plays the computer all day we WILL remove his ass from the chair. But the way I see it - the Man has a plan, he is paying his own way. He is doing what he said he was going to do, thus he gets to continue to say what he is going to do. He is working for it and has a pragmatic approach to leveling the international trade imbalance that is killing our international footprint. We can't even do business in China on a level playing field like they enjoy here!
Then there is the fact Trump pays off his women, and if they take the money for an NDA then it doesn't matter what they say because they couldn't even hold up their word when they took the money!
So it's complicated PowerStroker, I don't know any of the details surrounding this Ellison except for what is in the link. If you think it's a smear job and you voted to have him put on the ballot then show us some proof! Show us how he is innocent because I'd rather see 1000 guilty people free before I see one innocent person get convicted of a crime.
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I don't have proof either way, I say innocent until proven guilty. If the current state attorney general wants to appoint a special counsel to investigate Ellison, that's fine.
Funny how Ellison and Democrats get the "innocent until proven guilty" courtesy, yet when it comes to Republicans it's guilty until proven otherwise - and if they can't prove it they will launch nearly a billion dollar fishing expedition.
Double standard if you ask me! Total BS.
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Funny how Ellison and Democrats get the "innocent until proven guilty" courtesy, yet when it comes to Republicans it's guilty until proven otherwise - and if they can't prove it they will launch nearly a billion dollar fishing expedition.
Double standard if you ask me! Total BS.
1. I doubt it's anywhere near a billion dollars, though certainly it's several million, perhaps even tens of millions by now.
2. I think Trump is innocent until proven guilty too, I'm just looking at the people surrounding him that have already confessed to crimes and I'm starting to see a pattern.
3. As I recall, James Comey (Republican director of the FBI) had been investigating the Trump campaign for possible collusion with Russia since long before the election. Then Trump fired him in what had at least the appearance of obstruction of justice. So Rosenstein (a Republican deputy Attorney General) appointed the special counsel Robert Mueller (also a Republican) to investigate any possible collusion with Russia and anything that may arise from said investigation (like obstruction of justice, money laundering, espionage, treason, etc). Then Attorney General Jeff Sessions (a Republican) rightfully recused himself from the matter because, well, he knows what is likely to be found, and as a part of the Trump campaign he shouldn't have any part in investigating it... At least that's what the nonpartisan Justice Department lawyers told him, and he agreed.
So when you say "they" as if to imply (falsely) that Democrats were behind this, I've got to call you out on it. And it's a good thing too that Dems aren't driving this investigation, because I wouldn't want any politically based prosecutions in something this important or in any prosecution for that matter. We wouldn't want a political motivation for this like there was when the Republicans prosecuted Bill Clinton for banging Monica.
There is a reason Lady Justice wears a blindfold, and if you don't like what she ends up saying in this case, that's your problem.
Funny how Ellison and Democrats get the "innocent until proven guilty" courtesy, yet when it comes to Republicans it's guilty until proven otherwise - and if they can't prove it they will launch nearly a billion dollar fishing expedition.
Double standard if you ask me! Total BS.
1. I doubt it's anywhere near a billion dollars, though certainly it's several million, perhaps even tens of millions by now.
2. I think Trump is innocent until proven guilty too, I'm just looking at the people surrounding him that have already confessed to crimes and I'm starting to see a pattern.
3. As I recall, James Comey (Republican director of the FBI) had been investigating the Trump campaign for possible collusion with Russia since long before the election. Then Trump fired him in what had at least the appearance of obstruction of justice. So Rosenstein (a Republican deputy Attorney General) appointed the special counsel Robert Mueller (also a Republican) to investigate any possible collusion with Russia and anything that may arise from said investigation (like obstruction of justice, money laundering, espionage, treason, etc). Then Attorney General Jeff Sessions (a Republican) rightfully recused himself from the matter because, well, he knows what is likely to be found, and as a part of the Trump campaign he shouldn't have any part in investigating it... At least that's what the nonpartisan Justice Department lawyers told him, and he agreed.
So when you say "they" as if to imply (falsely) that Democrats were behind this, I've got to call you out on it. And it's a good thing too that Dems aren't driving this investigation, because I wouldn't want any politically based prosecutions in something this important or in any prosecution for that matter. We wouldn't want a political motivation for this like there was when the Republicans prosecuted Bill Clinton for banging Monica.
There is a reason Lady Justice wears a blindfold, and if you don't like what she ends up saying in this case, that's your problem.
1. It is costing well over a billion dollars, maybe even a trillion if you take into account the major distraction this BS has been to the commander and Chief! Think how much MORE he could have gotten done had not been for this bogus fishing expedition! It's not even funny anymore because they have NOTHING! Even if they did have something, isn't anything the can do about it! It's ridiculous to think it's taken two years just to drain the swamp and we still have countless rabid Democrat reptiles obstructing!
2. You don't think Trump is innocent PowerStroker, thats total BS! You're the kind of person who thinks a 2 year fishing expedition by a partisan group of treasonous actors is completely okay! Hell you would go along with this investigation going on during Trumps entire tenure as President! I don't know who is more ignorant, Trump for letting this go on or the Democrats for thinking this will somehow overshadow their guilt in this and many other high crimes!
3. Bull$hit... Comey was way getting out of hand... If he spent a fraction of the time investigating Hillary, Lynch, Bill, Holder and co. then perhaps he wouldn't have been fired! The tarmac meeting, Fast and furious, Uranium deals with Russia along with contributions by Russia to the Clinton Foundation, Clintons home-brew non-secure internet server that was wiped... The non-partisan Justice Department was run by Holder who was crying when Obama had to let him go and after that we got Lynch who met privately with the husband of the person she was supposed to be investigating! Then we have Susan Rice, what a mess there! Ambassador to the UN and NSA advisor unmasking Trump and leaking info - who was the same person who tried to use some video as an excuse for the Benghazi attack on our embassy that seen our people slaughtered needlessly as they begged for more security. Seems to me that AG Sessions isn't doing the job he was hired to do, which is to protect the President and ensure the highest level of respect for the office! Trump should have fired Sessions and Rothenstein a long time ago! Trump is going to fool around and Clinton and her Democrats are going to get in there and show no mercy on Trump. People want the past administration to be under investigation now that their term is over, we dont want to investigate Trump during his tenure because that amounts to rocking the boat and distracting the captain! Let whoever takes over the White House AFTER Trump investigate him! But that wont happen! This is all just a big dog and pony show to take attention off the fact that the past administration made Trump and Co. look like choir boys!
The Democrats ARE driving this investigation PowerStroker! The American people know they elected Trump! I know that I elected Trump! This Russian collusion bull$hit is a total sham and a complete waste of time and resources! If Trump doesnt get people in there that are going to clean the swamp then he will be taken apart in the swamp by the monsters. In history there were a great many Rinos and turn-coats but for whatever reason Trump seems to think hes getting younger and not older, that the two years wasted that he could have had someone in there prosecuting the Democrats who REALLY broke the law were squandered and that he deserves what he gets for being soft... He talks hard, but what I see isnt hard action. Its his own doing, or should I say lack of doing that has him in this position. I dont even think the fact he is President has even sunken in yet. Trump needs to know hes all in - and why hes holding back I have no idea.
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Retired US Navy admiral William McRaven, commander of the SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden, asked President Donald Trump to revoke his security clearance too in a gesture of solidarity with former CIA chief John Brennan (AFP Photo/FREDERIC J. BROWN)
Washington (AFP) - William McRaven, commander of the US Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden, condemned President Donald Trump on Thursday for revoking the security clearance of former CIA chief John Brennan and asked that his be withdrawn as well.
The decorated retired Navy admiral, in an open letter published in The Washington Post, defended Brennan as "one of the finest public servants I have ever known" and accused Trump of using "McCarthy-era tactics."
"Few Americans have done more to protect this country than John," McRaven said. "He is a man of unparalleled integrity, whose honesty and character have never been in question, except by those who don't know him."
"Therefore, I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency," he said.
McRaven was the head of US Joint Special Operations Command from 2011 to 2014 and supervised the SEAL raid that killed bin Laden in Pakistan in 2011.
"Like most Americans, I had hoped that when you became president, you would rise to the occasion and become the leader this great nation needs," McRaven said.
"A good leader tries to embody the best qualities of his or her organization," he said. "A good leader sets the example for others to follow.
"A good leader always puts the welfare of others before himself or herself."
"Your leadership, however, has shown little of these qualities," McRaven said. "Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation.
"If you think for a moment that your McCarthy-era tactics will suppress the voices of criticism, you are sadly mistaken," McRaven said. "The criticism will continue until you become the leader we prayed you would be."
Trump revoked the security clearance of Brennan on Wednesday and warned several other prominent critics that they too risk being blacklisted.
Following the president's summit last month with Russia's Vladimir Putin, Brennan -- who headed the CIA under Obama -- described Trump's behavior as "nothing short of treasonous."
Trump for his part accused the ex-spy chief of tossing around "unfounded and outrageous allegations -- wild outbursts on the internet and television -- about this administration" and engaging in "increasingly frenzied commentary."
Where is the fookn body PowerStroker!? This commander has absolutely no proof of his achievements as he worked for the biggest con-job Presidency known to mankind! Strip his security clearance away! Such grandstanding by a commander under the Chief merits immediate action on Trumps part! Get rid of McRaven because in the future we want the proof! Dont just dump the body at sea with Hillarys email server!
I also think it shows poor form to post an AFP article in response to my retort... It just proves you know your entire party is a band of lawless criminals, as you can not even begin to defend the heinous crimes and thus try and act like nothing happened. Well PowerStroker, that game is OVER! The American people have spoken and we will once again be reminding you all come November!
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Funny how Ellison and Democrats get the "innocent until proven guilty" courtesy, yet when it comes to Republicans it's guilty until proven otherwise - and if they can't prove it they will launch nearly a billion dollar fishing expedition.
Double standard if you ask me! Total BS.
1. I doubt it's anywhere near a billion dollars, though certainly it's several million, perhaps even tens of millions by now.
2. I think Trump is innocent until proven guilty too, I'm just looking at the people surrounding him that have already confessed to crimes and I'm starting to see a pattern.
3. As I recall, James Comey (Republican director of the FBI) had been investigating the Trump campaign for possible collusion with Russia since long before the election. Then Trump fired him in what had at least the appearance of obstruction of justice. So Rosenstein (a Republican deputy Attorney General) appointed the special counsel Robert Mueller (also a Republican) to investigate any possible collusion with Russia and anything that may arise from said investigation (like obstruction of justice, money laundering, espionage, treason, etc). Then Attorney General Jeff Sessions (a Republican) rightfully recused himself from the matter because, well, he knows what is likely to be found, and as a part of the Trump campaign he shouldn't have any part in investigating it... At least that's what the nonpartisan Justice Department lawyers told him, and he agreed.
So when you say "they" as if to imply (falsely) that Democrats were behind this, I've got to call you out on it. And it's a good thing too that Dems aren't driving this investigation, because I wouldn't want any politically based prosecutions in something this important or in any prosecution for that matter. We wouldn't want a political motivation for this like there was when the Republicans prosecuted Bill Clinton for banging Monica.
There is a reason Lady Justice wears a blindfold, and if you don't like what she ends up saying in this case, that's your problem.
1. It is costing well over a billion dollars, maybe even a trillion if you take into account the major distraction this BS has been to the commander and Chief! Think how much MORE he could have gotten done had not been for this bogus fishing expedition! It's not even funny anymore because they have NOTHING! Even if they did have something, isn't anything the can do about it! It's ridiculous to think it's taken two years just to drain the swamp and we still have countless rabid Democrat reptiles obstructing!
2. You don't think Trump is innocent PowerStroker, thats total BS! You're the kind of person who thinks a 2 year fishing expedition by a partisan group of treasonous actors is completely okay! Hell you would go along with this investigation going on during Trumps entire tenure as President! I don't know who is more ignorant, Trump for letting this go on or the Democrats for thinking this will somehow overshadow their guilt in this and many other high crimes!
3. Bull$hit... Comey was way getting out of hand... If he spent a fraction of the time investigating Hillary, Lynch, Bill, Holder and co. then perhaps he wouldn't have been fired! The tarmac meeting, Fast and furious, Uranium deals with Russia along with contributions by Russia to the Clinton Foundation, Clintons home-brew non-secure internet server that was wiped... The non-partisan Justice Department was run by Holder who was crying when Obama had to let him go and after that we got Lynch who met privately with the husband of the person she was supposed to be investigating! Then we have Susan Rice, what a mess there! Ambassador to the UN and NSA advisor unmasking Trump and leaking info - who was the same person who tried to use some video as an excuse for the Benghazi attack on our embassy that seen our people slaughtered needlessly as they begged for more security. Seems to me that AG Sessions isn't doing the job he was hired to do, which is to protect the President and ensure the highest level of respect for the office! Trump should have fired Sessions and Rothenstein a long time ago! Trump is going to fool around and Clinton and her Democrats are going to get in there and show no mercy on Trump. People want the past administration to be under investigation now that their term is over, we dont want to investigate Trump during his tenure because that amounts to rocking the boat and distracting the captain! Let whoever takes over the White House AFTER Trump investigate him! But that wont happen! This is all just a big dog and pony show to take attention off the fact that the past administration made Trump and Co. look like choir boys!
The Democrats ARE driving this investigation PowerStroker! The American people know they elected Trump! I know that I elected Trump! This Russian collusion bull$hit is a total sham and a complete waste of time and resources! If Trump doesnt get people in there that are going to clean the swamp then he will be taken apart in the swamp by the monsters. In history there were a great many Rinos and turn-coats but for whatever reason Trump seems to think hes getting younger and not older, that the two years wasted that he could have had someone in there prosecuting the Democrats who REALLY broke the law were squandered and that he deserves what he gets for being soft... He talks hard, but what I see isnt hard action. Its his own doing, or should I say lack of doing that has him in this position. I dont even think the fact he is President has even sunken in yet. Trump needs to know hes all in - and why hes holding back I have no idea.
Still waiting PowerStroker... What is the matter? Truth got you wanting to change the topic?
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Well I didn't think you offered any new material to respond to, but if you insist...
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SELLC wrote:
PowerStroker wrote:
SELLC wrote:
Funny how Ellison and Democrats get the "innocent until proven guilty" courtesy, yet when it comes to Republicans it's guilty until proven otherwise - and if they can't prove it they will launch nearly a billion dollar fishing expedition.
Double standard if you ask me! Total BS.
1. I doubt it's anywhere near a billion dollars, though certainly it's several million, perhaps even tens of millions by now.
2. I think Trump is innocent until proven guilty too, I'm just looking at the people surrounding him that have already confessed to crimes and I'm starting to see a pattern.
3. As I recall, James Comey (Republican director of the FBI) had been investigating the Trump campaign for possible collusion with Russia since long before the election. Then Trump fired him in what had at least the appearance of obstruction of justice. So Rosenstein (a Republican deputy Attorney General) appointed the special counsel Robert Mueller (also a Republican) to investigate any possible collusion with Russia and anything that may arise from said investigation (like obstruction of justice, money laundering, espionage, treason, etc). Then Attorney General Jeff Sessions (a Republican) rightfully recused himself from the matter because, well, he knows what is likely to be found, and as a part of the Trump campaign he shouldn't have any part in investigating it... At least that's what the nonpartisan Justice Department lawyers told him, and he agreed.
So when you say "they" as if to imply (falsely) that Democrats were behind this, I've got to call you out on it. And it's a good thing too that Dems aren't driving this investigation, because I wouldn't want any politically based prosecutions in something this important or in any prosecution for that matter. We wouldn't want a political motivation for this like there was when the Republicans prosecuted Bill Clinton for banging Monica.
There is a reason Lady Justice wears a blindfold, and if you don't like what she ends up saying in this case, that's your problem.
1. It is costing well over a billion dollars, maybe even a trillion if you take into account the major distraction this BS has been to the commander and Chief! Think how much MORE he could have gotten done had not been for this bogus fishing expedition! It's not even funny anymore because they have NOTHING! Even if they did have something, isn't anything the can do about it! It's ridiculous to think it's taken two years just to drain the swamp and we still have countless rabid Democrat reptiles obstructing!
Your boy has been filling the swamp, and example is Scott Pruitt. Show me some receipts for your cost analysis please, it should all be public record, so if you're going to make assertions, I'd like to see your proof.
2. You don't think Trump is innocent PowerStroker, thats total BS! You're the kind of person who thinks a 2 year fishing expedition by a partisan group of treasonous actors is completely okay! Hell you would go along with this investigation going on during Trumps entire tenure as President! I don't know who is more ignorant, Trump for letting this go on or the Democrats for thinking this will somehow overshadow their guilt in this and many other high crimes!
If Republicans investigating a Republican is a partisan investigation, then I'm confused as to how. Likely it will go on for Trumps entire tenure as president btw. In fact, depending on what if anything is found (innocent until proven guilty) it could potentially cut his tenure short.
3. Bull$hit... Comey was way getting out of hand... If he spent a fraction of the time investigating Hillary, Lynch, Bill, Holder and co. then perhaps he wouldn't have been fired! The tarmac meeting, Fast and furious, Uranium deals with Russia along with contributions by Russia to the Clinton Foundation, Clintons home-brew non-secure internet server that was wiped... T
I have already answered all of those issues with you in great detail in other threads, apparently a waste of my time. Luckily for my aforementioned liberal friends, the Republican FBI director didn't have the same prejudices you seem to have baked into your DNA, and didn't find any chargeable offenses.
he non-partisan Justice Department was run by Holder who was crying when Obama had to let him go and after that we got Lynch who met privately with the husband of the person she was supposed to be investigating! Then we have Susan Rice, what a mess there! Ambassador to the UN and NSA advisor unmasking Trump and leaking info - who was the same person who tried to use some video as an excuse for the Benghazi attack on our embassy that seen our people slaughtered needlessly as they begged for more security.
Seems to me that AG Sessions isn't doing the job he was hired to do, which is to protect the President and ensure the highest level of respect for the office!
If you think the job of the U.S. Attorney General is to do that^ then you are absolutely beyond fucking repair.
The Attorney General is never there to "protect the president" for to do so would be to undermine our entire justice system.
Trump should have fired Sessions and Rothenstein a long time ago!
If he did, even Republicans in congress would start impeachment hearings.
Trump is going to fool around and Clinton and her Democrats are going to get in there and show no mercy on Trump.
The Special Cousel investigation is a Republican run operation.
People want the past administration to be under investigation now that their term is over,
Some people
we dont want to investigate Trump during his tenure because that amounts to rocking the boat and distracting the captain! Let whoever takes over the White House AFTER Trump investigate him! But that wont happen! This is all just a big dog and pony show to take attention off the fact that the past administration made Trump and Co. look like choir boys!
If it happens that any U.S. president has been compromised by a foreign power, we need to know NOW, not when it's convenient.
The Democrats ARE driving this investigation PowerStroker! The American people know they elected Trump! I know that I elected Trump! This Russian collusion bull$hit is a total sham and a complete waste of time and resources! If Trump doesnt get people in there that are going to clean the swamp then he will be taken apart in the swamp by the monsters. In history there were a great many Rinos and turn-coats but for whatever reason Trump seems to think hes getting younger and not older, that the two years wasted that he could have had someone in there prosecuting the Democrats who REALLY broke the law were squandered and that he deserves what he gets for being soft... He talks hard, but what I see isnt hard action. Its his own doing, or should I say lack of doing that has him in this position. I dont even think the fact he is President has even sunken in yet. Trump needs to know hes all in - and why hes holding back I have no idea.
You seem to think of a president as an emperor, it doesn't work that way. If he shuts down the investigation in to him by firing Rosenstein, You'll see just how many "turn coats" exist in the Republican Caucus, and they will have my respect.
Still waiting PowerStroker... What is the matter? Truth got you wanting to change the topic?
Nope, I just thought I had already responded to all of your points previously, didn't see a need to do it again but whatever.
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If Republicans investigating a Republican is a partisan investigation, then I'm confused as to how. Likely it will go on for Trumps entire tenure as president btw. In fact, depending on what if anything is found (innocent until proven guilty) it could potentially cut his tenure short.
If you think the job of the U.S. Attorney General is to do that^ then you are absolutely beyond fucking repair.
The Attorney General is never there to "protect the president" for to do so would be to undermine our entire justice system.
You seem to think of a president as an emperor, it doesn't work that way. If he shuts down the investigation in to him by firing Rosenstein, You'll see just how many "turn coats" exist in the Republican Caucus, and they will have my respect.
Muller and Comey were supposedly good friends, and again... some people arent what they say they are. I doubt this investigation will go much past September, but the optics of the upcoming election are such that Trump is worried about people who will never like him anyway. Bad position to put himself in if you ask me. He is losing respect by letting this carry on and we Americans who voted for Trump should be able to file a lawsuit against the actors of this investigation for slander! As they make Trump out to be the bad guy it reflects upon us poorly and its starting to cause some tangible damages!
The U.S. Attorney General is the Presidents attorney! WTF are you on? He works at the pleasure of the sitting POTUS! It is his or her job to protect the President, plain and simple!
I dont think of the President as an emperor! He has 8 years to do his job, maybe less if he allows this sort of thing to carry on! I say that Trump should fire everyone who stands in his way! The entire government is there to serve the Commander in Chief. So either this is just a big song and dance to keep liberals calm, or Trump picked a few people that arent living up to the job. Which one I couldnt tell you but I know that any Republican that thinks they are above the wishes of their Party, Constituents or the President is a Republican that needs to go!
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The U.S. Attorney General is the Presidents attorney! WTF are you on? He works at the pleasure of the sitting POTUS! It is his or her job to protect the President, plain and simple!
I dont think of the President as an emperor! He has 8 years to do his job, maybe less if he allows this sort of thing to carry on! I say that Trump should fire everyone who stands in his way! The entire government is there to serve the Commander in Chief.
Absolutely WRONG on all counts. The White House Counsel is the attorney for the presidency, and the president has personal lawyers to defend himself, which is usually made easier through things like sovereign immunity and executive privilege.
The U.S. Attorney General is the top law enforcement officer in the land, and no, he is not there to be a shield or rubber stamp for any president EVER. A president may fire an Attorney General, but he may not hire one without the consent of the Senate. So no, it is not Jeff Sessions job to do anything special for the president, nor should he. A president is not above the law.
The entire government (including the president) is there to serve the citizens, not the other way around. I've said before that the Michigan public school system has failed you miserably, but I think it was you who failed them.
Don't just dump the body ( Osama's) at sea, along with Hillarys email server!
LOL !!! Classic post !
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Retired US Navy admiral William McRaven, commander of the SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden, asked President Donald Trump to revoke his security clearance too in a gesture of solidarity with former CIA chief John Brennan (AFP Photo/FREDERIC J. BROWN)