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Iran back at it, blowing holes in oil tankers and now enriching uranium to sponsor terror.


Any doubts that Iran was responsible for the terroristic attack on oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman have been erased by their most recent pledge to enrich uranium at a rapid pace. 

One can only conclude they are enriching uranium to sell on the black market and use the proceeds to sponsor terrorist temper tantrums around the world, much like the one we just seen.

What is worse? We have people like Omar Ilhan, who isn't even a natural born American, trying to blame the POTUS for these attacks!? 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-blames-trump-iran-attacks-oil-tankers

Last I checked, congress was not given a vote for the bribe paid to Iran by Obama and his insiders.  



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Whether it was Iran or not I don't know. They deny it, and while their credibility isn't great, neither is the credibility of the people accusing them.

If only we hadn't backed out of the deal they were adhering to. It's not like we got the money back when we walked away from it. Some deal maker huh?

The current Congress didn't get a vote on the payment to Iran as part of an old judgement, but a prior Congress set up an account for exactly this purpose and authorized the President to pay such claims. Also, the aforementioned prior Congress and the Reagan administration helped set up the international court that made the judgement. Apparently you guys didn't review those issues and make any desired changes before Obama implemented the powers he was given, bummer.

Try not to step on your dicks next time I guess.

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It wasn't me who loaded a plane full of money and sent it to Iran and it's not me who is defending such a treasonous act. 

If anyone stepped on their dicks it was Obama and the donkeys! 

Yet you won't even comment on the fact that Iran plans to start up massive uranium enrichment, to you that does not matter. 

Iran was caught in a number of violations prior to and during the treaty, the first of which was them holding hostage US troops! Then they broke many other conditions in the deal that Obama and Kerry just let slide, because after all they just paid them $1.5 billion in cash.

Not really sure why you defend that, but you do. Why do you hate your country so much PowerStroker? Why do you hold criminals and a state sponsor of terror who took us for $1.5 billion in cash in such high regard PowerStroker?



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Oh that's right, your city elected Omar Ilhan... who isn't even natural born.. never mind!



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If Obama's payment was illegal and "treasonous", why didn't Mitch McConnell start an investigation in the Senate?

Either it was legal, or McConnell stepped on his dick. Which is it?

I fully expect Iran to begin a massive uranium enrichment since we reneged on the deal, and I'm surprised they waited this long. Whether they were responsible for the oil tankers I don't know.



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If Obama's payment was illegal and "treasonous", why didn't Mitch McConnell start an investigation in the Senate?

Either it was legal, or McConnell stepped on his dick. Which is it?

I fully expect Iran to begin a massive uranium enrichment since we reneged on the deal, and I'm surprised they waited this long. Whether they were responsible for the oil tankers I don't know.

 


 

He was the minority leader in the Senate at the time, or we would have impeached Obama. 

And FYI - you're pathetic for suggesting that "we" reneged on the deal! There is a clause in the Iran deal that you should brush yourself up on which is called the "Snap-Back" clause! Which is exactly what Trump has done!

No more are the days where your uneducated jack-ass party loads up planes with over a billion in cash to close a crap deal that Iran could never live up to. There can be no wonder why Obama and Kerry looked the other way as they violated the agreement!

But now the President isn't having any of their games and calling them out - yet you defend them? WOW!



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Until Congress closes the account for paying such claims or removes the power from the president to do so, such days are not gone like you suggest.

There is not statute of limitations on treason, so if your claim that Obama was a traitor is true, McConnell could still put him on trial today for it. Why doesn't he?

Obama's deal was working, Trump's unjustified snap-back clearly backfired. And you have the gall to bitch about it, amazing.

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Until Congress closes the account for paying such claims or removes the power from the president to do so, such days are not gone like you suggest.

There is not statute of limitations on treason, so if your claim that Obama was a traitor is true, McConnell could still put him on trial today for it. Why doesn't he?

Obama's deal was working, Trump's unjustified snap-back clearly backfired. And you have the gall to bitch about it, amazing.


 

Obama's deal was a total failure...

 

The Iran deal under Obama handcuffed the US in matters of foreign policy in the middle east...which is PRECISELY what it was meant to do...

 

This is why it was undone...and rightfully so.

 

This is what Obama followers never understood...they wrongfully assume it is just because Obama did it is why it was undone...

 

it was undone to remove the obstacles of foreign policy in the middle east.

 



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Trump's unjustified snap-back clearly backfired. And you have the gall to bitch about it, amazing.


 I don't think so!

If anything it only shows the many reasons why a deal NEVER should have been made with Iran in the first place!

Just look, holes in oil tankers - Iran's very own admission that is going to start enriching more uranium... It is very clear you support the terror of Iran!

What if everyone just started blowing holes in things and enriching uranium every time they didn't get their way? What kind of crap is that!?

Did you know that under the nuclear deal we would have had to give military aid to a state sponsor of terror!? And they have so many cells they use to cause all kinds of problems all over the world! Like blowing holes in tankers!



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Do you have proof that Iran was behind the tankers. It sounds an awful like the convenient assumption that Iraq was behind 911.

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Have any more airplanes been flown into any buildings since Saddam was taken down? 

I am willing to bet once that bearded bastard in Iran is hung that these bombings on oil tankers will stop too!

You might not like the truth, but that is what it is... Was Iraq the only nation behind 911? Probably not, but we take them as they come.



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What kind of logic is that? One could just as easily ask if any more planes have been flown into any buildings since Barbara Bush died or Trump last spray tanned.

You're willing to bet when the bearded bastard is hung... Maybe he's a witch. If we hold him under water and he drowns, then he wasn't a witch I guess. Only one way to find out right?



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What kind of logic is that? One could just as easily ask if any more planes have been flown into any buildings since Barbara Bush died or Trump last spray tanned.

You're willing to bet when the bearded bastard is hung... Maybe he's a witch. If we hold him under water and he drowns, then he wasn't a witch I guess. Only one way to find out right?


 

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Did you know that under the nuclear deal we would have had to give military aid to a state sponsor of terror!? 


 

^^^^ This is why Trump undid the Iran deal.

 

The Iran deal was all about foreign policy and what the US could and could not do...

 

We were having to agree to terms for what? this idea we have to give any country anything or bow to their will to stop them from obtaining nuclear weapons is laughable...

 

Here it is real simple...you fucking can not have nuclear weapons of any sort...PERIOD...and if you keep up with your shit we are going to wipe you off the planet...

 

The industrialized powers all have the weapons...no more are needed....and fuck those who do not have them...

 

it is a real simple policy one that is tried and true....



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Yeah-Yeah, sure... You're an Iran sympathizer, we have already seen all your post where you suck Iranian ass! You think they are entitled to US money and that when we freeze peoples money due to violations that we should pay them interest!? Fuck you!

So far Iran has blown holes in two tankers! 

And just this morning Iran blew up a $180 million dollar drone! So what's up Nuffan!? Still sucking Iranian cock buddy!?

You know what? I wouldn't doubt if Iran had a hand in the Boeing 737 Max planes crashing in their region! You don't find it funny that the only 737 Max planes that went down were overseas in Irans proximity? None of the Boeing 737 Max planes that were in service here in the USA ever went down and we were running them all over the country! 

Something to think about while you ponder more excuses why the USA should pay Iran money!



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The only planes that are going to be flying out of Iran soon are the ones we own that are full of all their shit for us to sell back home! Be just like Saddam's fortune when we took his stupid ass down!

It has been a long time coming! 

Heads up Iran!



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Was that drone perhaps flying in Iranian airspace?

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34 miles offshore? No that was not Iran airspace. Unless either side is lying and I have no doubts either can and will every chance they get

I did read a bit about the drone was in stealth mode or something, a violation? Haven't found enough on it yet

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Trump has already said that he will not wage war the same way that past Presidents have... He will invade, conquer and take by force any proceeds that can be used to offset said war, unlike past Presidents who just gave it all back.

I think that is a good idea, and you can bet your sweet ass that Trump will do so in a way that makes Putin blush and Crimea seem like a peaceful transition.

The bottom line here folks, Iran is begging for it... Had Iran not openly promised to enrich uranium at a rate consistent with the mass production of nuclear arms then I would say there might be diplomatic alternatives... but that is not the case... in the face of oil tanker bombings, shooting down drones over international air space, and all of it backed up by Irans invitation to war with their uranium enrichment I think it's safe to say diplomacy is in the rearview mirror. They are provoking an attack and no efforts are being made by them to de-escalate. It's pretty much on from this point and I can only imagine the Saudi's and Israelis are more than happy to lend a hand with Iran. It's going to be interesting because you know even if Trump lets this slide they will just go do something worse in short order that will force his hand.



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Interesting that Iran resuming an enrichment agenda makes the news... It's almost as though they stopped doing it for a while, I wonder why that was?

You are WAY too trigger happy my friend. Perhaps we need a war tax to reduce the enthusiasm for one?

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Interesting that Iran resuming an enrichment agenda makes the news... It's almost as though they stopped doing it for a while, I wonder why that was?

You are WAY too trigger happy my friend. Perhaps we need a war tax to reduce the enthusiasm for one?


 

Because we had a Muslim President that loaded up a plane with $400 million in cash and gave it to them? 

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Obama was a Christian president who returned Iranian money to the Iranians.

If you love to hate so much that you can't even live in a truth based world, then I doubt anyone can help you.

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You asked PowerStroker, you asked... lol

That being said, wasn't Kerry's daughter or one of his immediate family members married to some guy in the Iranian government or something like that?



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Yeah-Yeah, sure... You're an Iran sympathizer, we have already seen all your post where you suck Iranian ass! You think they are entitled to US money and that when we freeze peoples money due to violations that we should pay them interest!? Fuck you!

So far Iran has blown holes in two tankers! 

And just this morning Iran blew up a $180 million dollar drone! So what's up Nuffan!? Still sucking Iranian cock buddy!?

You know what? I wouldn't doubt if Iran had a hand in the Boeing 737 Max planes crashing in their region! You don't find it funny that the only 737 Max planes that went down were overseas in Irans proximity? None of the Boeing 737 Max planes that were in service here in the USA ever went down and we were running them all over the country! 

Something to think about while you ponder more excuses why the USA should pay Iran money!


 

 

FUCK YOU...

 

 

who's dick is in your mouth right now shit for brains...lol

 

 I never said the US should return the money....I only explained why it has been getting return for a very long time...

 

 

 



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Obama was a Christian president who returned Iranian money to the Iranians.

If you love to hate so much that you can't even live in a truth based world, then I doubt anyone can help you.


 

This Obama was a Christian is simply not true....

 

He claims to be a Christian, but if you scratch the surface just a little that appears to be nothing more than a ruse for political means.

 

He was born to Muslim parents, his step father also a Muslim from Indonesia, and he attended muslim schools while being raised in Indonesia...

 

He went to two years of catholic school but that was to help him get into the right colleges at that time he continue the ruse when he decided to run for public office which was well before any of us ever knew who he was.

 

Everything he did from the moment he went in to public life raises doubts about him...especially the sealing of all his school records.

 

So if you want to buy this bullshit that Barrack Hussein Obama is a Christian you can I am not that fucking gullible...

 

I do not believe Obama is a man of true faith in any religion....he just uses what is politically necessary...

 

I to this day still believe Obama was a Charlatan and when we start finding out more about how all these Trump investigations got initiated the true nature of Obama will eventually get completely revealed.

 

I am CERTAIN that people with the FBI under Obama gave favoritism to Hillary Clinton and conspired against Donald Trump...

 

and most of that has already been uncovered.

 



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Well, our President has decided to turn the other cheek on the downing of our $180 million dollar drone. 

I think for the very first time I genuinely felt what I can only describe as the utter disgust that Democrats must feel when the President speaks. Like you're being talked down to.

Rather than getting all upset I am just going to say this, the next action by Iran that ends up in the deaths of Americans will be seen as his fault. There was no "measured" response and watching Trump spill the beans about how he played Boss in the situation room, only to have his conscience get in the way is eye opening! I certainly do not want to provoke or instigate any military action by our current President as this test has made it clear, he may not be able to handle the dirty business of war and it sure feels like he is putting Iranian lives above that of Americans. 

We can be sure that Iran will take further action to provoke the United States, so it won't be long before we are back on this issue.



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Lest we all forget, including the President, that Iran has ramped up Uranium enrichment. 

So it's not even CLOSE to being over.

What does everyone else think?



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The president is simply being prudent....

 

He is right there is no hurry to react, that has been a long term mistake of the US...

 

Do not just react....find the best way to react...

 

Democrats have accused him of being half cocked...he actually just showed tremendous restraint...

 

we can decimate Iran at any time we wish....and even Iran knows this...

 

We do not know enough about the tanker strike...holding off for the immediate only helps his case in 2020!!!



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I don't think he is going to have much of a case in 2020. 

I don't know that I could trust Trump with that final term.

The way he turned his meeting in the situation room into another episode of "The Apprentice" has me feeling rather sick at the moment. 

I could be wrong, I dunno - I am usually right A-LOT... 



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The president is simply being prudent....

 

He is right there is no hurry to react, that has been a long term mistake of the US...

 

 


 

No hurry? Eh, Iran said they are enriching uranium at an expedited rate and will exceed the international communities suggested limits within a week! Deal or not, this is not something to drag our feet on. 

What is it going to take Nuffan? A nuclear strike on the US mainland with nukes from North Korea made from Iranian uranium?

I think the President's ego may be writing checks his ass can't cash.. 

President Trump campaigned on the basis that the Government was not reacting fast or prudently enough. He ripped Obama for backtracking on his "red-line" remark. 

I am just saying it like I see it.



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I guess another round of lobster and Boones Farm is in order for the Pentagon tonight!

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The president is simply being prudent....

 

He is right there is no hurry to react, that has been a long term mistake of the US...

 

 


 

No hurry? Eh, Iran said they are enriching uranium at an expedited rate and will exceed the international communities suggested limits within a week! Deal or not, this is not something to drag our feet on.  

What is it going to take Nuffan? A nuclear strike on the US mainland with nukes from North Korea made from Iranian uranium?

I think the President's ego may be writing checks his ass can't cash.. 

President Trump campaigned on the basis that the Government was not reacting fast or prudently enough. He ripped Obama for backtracking on his "red-line" remark. 

I am just saying it like I see it.


 

Here is your problem...NOTHING short of a first strike against Iran...everything in the bold is going to happened regardless...

 

So if we can not stop it without turning Iran into a sundial not sure we should rush into anything....

 

again the big bullet the LEFT wants headed into 2020 is for Trump to over react with our military...

 

that could give the presidency to a Bernie Sanders or a Kamala Harris...

 

bottom line for me...unless republicans replace Trump on the ballot I will vote Trump...

 

 

 



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I know Nuffan, I am stuck in that same boat...

I could never vote Harris or Sanders - EVER!

But Biden, I dunno... I think he's fucking nuts but at the same time I think had they done this to Biden we would have our sun-dial in Iran today...

I think Trump is the one playing loose, and it's dangerous. He thinks he is in the board-room dealing with executives. Pelosi, as much as I can't stand her at times - has warned Trump about North Korea and questioned why he needed a second meeting to know what we knew all along, which is that fat fucker can not be trusted. Now Xi is over there in North Korea meeting with fat Kim. I don't like the idea that he is trying to establish relationships with these dictators on a personal level because they will expect it from every US President going forward. 

If Trumps goal is to skimp thru his last year without making any meaningful progress to avoid making waves, that would be a serious mistake.

I don't like how the credit markets are responding to Trump, I got my first ever mortgage under a Democrat administration and so far under this Republican administration the rules seem to be stacked for the rich, and I am seeing it more and more as I have to ask my customers for more parts money than ever before because cost are hyper-inflating for goods that I purchase in my business. In fact, they will keep going up more and more.

I don't fault Trump for going after China, but his tax cuts for big business is just being paid by the the regular American people in everyday items they buy from the tariffs. Everyone elected Trump because we thought he could con our adversaries into a good deal, now it's starting to feel like he his conning us! I am on Twitter a few times a day and I see some of the stuff Trump post, like his most recent post with the cover of TIME magazine suggesting Trump will ignore term limits! And he just played it up suggesting he will run for President well into 2400! I don't support that, and anyone who voted and supported Trump looks bad when he does that kind of stuff. 

I don't care for much of the Democrats agenda, but it's much easier to swallow their love-everyone appeasement and such than to swallow Trumps tuff guy act when he seems more than happy to bullshit as much as the next guy. Something is not right.



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I should also mention that in his last public rally in Florida, where he announced he is running in 2020, he posted a meme of him with the caption "I will never ever let you down"... I got me to thinking about Christmas in 2016 just before the November elections he sent me a Christmas card claiming "I love you". I'll be damned if I have received a Christmas card since, and should I get one in November prior to the 2020 election again, I'll know for sure and it will flip three votes that could have been his.

It's too soon to tell, but it's adding up. What has Trump done since 2016? Honestly? Does he think he can win in 2020 for spending his entire term as President complaining about the Democrats trying to impeach him!? For fucks sake, us Republicans were doing the exact same thing to Obama and yet I managed to have health insurance! That is ending soon though... 

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My worry is that his player ass is going to use everyones disgust about his "lack" of a response to start a REAL war to ensure he has a chance in 2020, because right now - honestly, what has he done to help Americans besides getting cozy with world leaders - some of them ruthless dictators?

What is going to be Trumps signature accomplishment as President of the United States? A wall? He could have had that but he wanted tax cuts for big business more. 

What has Trump done? Real talk Nuffan, what do we have to show for three years with Trump? 



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Deficit just hit a trillion dollars BTW.



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Don't tell Nuffan that^^^ he freaks out whenever his voodoo economic theories are disproven.

Looks like the Brits snatched and Iranian tanker en route to Syria. Does this make us even?

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Don't tell Nuffan that^^^ he freaks out whenever his voodoo economic theories are disproven.

Looks like the Brits snatched and Iranian tanker en route to Syria. Does this make us even?


 

Freak out???

 

LMAO

 

You are such a moron....lol

 

 

the term is supply side economics by the way....

 

again you continue to associate deficit with tax rates....

 

deficit is controlled by spending PERIOD....

 

it is up to Congress to balance a budget based on the current projected revenues...

 

lower taxes in the long run increase revenues...

 

Had Obama lowered taxes like Trump did back in 2008...it would not have taken so long to recover...

 

What is truly SAD....Is we lowered corporate taxes to 21% which means business is still paying over 1/5th of the business to government...

 

Your average America pays 1/5 of what they earn to government...

 

Government should never get more than 1/5th... 

 

Government can always find ways to spend and OVER spend as long as idiots like you continue to help them rob the productive members of society...

 

 

Truth is taxes should never exceed 10%...and we should not be paying all the additional taxes we pay...

 

the government makes more per gallon of gas sold than the people who own the gas...

 

Spending is out of control and has been since the days of Reagan...

 

Taxing is out of control and has been since 1913...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Tell you what, when you get spending down to the point where we end up with a surplus and start paying down principal, then I'll go along with a tax cut, deal?

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Tell you what, when you get spending down to the point where we end up with a surplus and start paying down principal, then I'll go along with a tax cut, deal?


 

Tell you what...just so you are VERY clear....I do not have to make a deal with you...

 

Trump will win again in 2020....(that was originally a typo)

 

The SCOTUS will be in good hands for the next 50 years...

 

and hopefully he will again reduce taxes...

 

Taking from the productive to give to the unproductive is stupid...

 

 

You should also be aware that the United States has never ever once paid a cent of principal on any debt since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913....

 

Not even during times of FULL DEMOCRAT CONTROL...

 

So tell you what....I will continue to enjoy paying lower taxes and you can go fuck yourself...

 

 

 



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Trump won't even be on the ballot in 2024 dummy. Furthermore, wealth is not a good measure of productivity. There are a whole ton of lazy rich people out there, some are closer than you may think.

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Trump won't even be on the ballot in 2024 dummy. Furthermore, wealth is not a good measure of productivity. There are a whole ton of lazy rich people out there, some are closer than you may think.


 

No one said WEALTH was a good measure....

 

Earnings are however a good measure of productivity...

 

There are even more LAZY dirt poor people out there...



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Trump won't even be on the ballot in 2024 dummy. Furthermore, wealth is not a good measure of productivity. There are a whole ton of lazy rich people out there, some are closer than you may think.


 Doesn't mean Donald. Gonna be JR or Ivanka. Dummy, watch for it. Scream at the sky if it helps



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Trump won't even be on the ballot in 2024 dummy. Furthermore, wealth is not a good measure of productivity. There are a whole ton of lazy rich people out there, some are closer than you may think.


 Doesn't mean Donald. Gonna be JR or Ivanka. Dummy, watch for it. Scream at the sky if it helps


 

 LOL !!! Now that was funny Shawnee !!!



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Well, it won't be Ivanka because your side would never put a woman at the top of the ballot.

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Ivanka would for sure be at the least one-of-the the sexiest Presidents the US-of-A could have...

And she "did" ask the Don to not separate families at the border...

She may even be able to bend / straighten Putin's will(y)...

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Well, it won't be Ivanka because your side would never put a woman at the top of the ballot.


 

You are such a liar...I am sure you want every one to believe that bullshit...but it is just far from the truth...

 

I actually think there is a solid chance the president we elect in 2024 will be a female republican...

 

 

because the democrat party is done...stick a fork in it...



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Ivanka would for sure be at the least one-of-the the sexiest Presidents the US-of-A could have...

And she "did" ask the Don to not separate families at the border...

She may even be able to bend / straighten Putin's will(y)...


 The department stores that carry Ivankas clothing line moved all her stuff to the clearance rack, I assume to get rid of her for good.  All democrap owned stores.  She has great taste.  Love her clothes!

Maybe one day Ivanka and that homely Clinton kid will run against each other.  biggrin



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The president is simply being prudent....

 

He is right there is no hurry to react, that has been a long term mistake of the US...

 

 


 

No hurry? Eh, Iran said they are enriching uranium at an expedited rate and will exceed the international communities suggested limits within a week! Deal or not, this is not something to drag our feet on.  

What is it going to take Nuffan? A nuclear strike on the US mainland with nukes from North Korea made from Iranian uranium?

I think the President's ego may be writing checks his ass can't cash.. 

President Trump campaigned on the basis that the Government was not reacting fast or prudently enough. He ripped Obama for backtracking on his "red-line" remark. 

I am just saying it like I see it.


 

Here is your problem...NOTHING short of a first strike against Iran...everything in the bold is going to happened regardless...

 

So if we can not stop it without turning Iran into a sundial not sure we should rush into anything....

 

again the big bullet the LEFT wants headed into 2020 is for Trump to over react with our military...

 

that could give the presidency to a Bernie Sanders or a Kamala Harris...

 

bottom line for me...unless republicans replace Trump on the ballot I will vote Trump...

 


 

Oh Nuffan...

Guess your theory above in bold has been, how shall we say - "Blown to bits"? 

On both counts too because Harris dropped out long ago!

At least you got one thing going for you, you're a Trump supporter! LOL



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