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Bernie Sanders "YES, I would raise taxes on the middle class"

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Bernie is a waste of oxygen

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You can stop him from breathing, but it will be about as effective at balancing the budget as giving tax cuts mostly to the rich.

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RE: Bernie Sanders "YES, I would raise taxes on the middle class"

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PowerStroker wrote:
Ah, you never know. Fiscal responsibility is actually appealing to a lot of us.

And if the left wing Rhetoric were truth, there would be no need to raise taxes on the middle class since according to DEMOCRATS Trump only gave a tax cut to billionaires...

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PowerStroker wrote:
You get there by doing BOTH, because you can never cut spending enough to reach the break even point. At least not without giving up on things like the military and stuff we really need.

NO you don't...

You remove deficit by cutting all spending that exceeds revenues...

even if some of those cuts are directed at military...

however we should spend more on military and less on useless left wing programs...

I think we should cut congressional salaries in half as a first step....

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PowerStroker wrote:
I've looked at this since Trump took office:

usdebtclock.org

I am still in shock about this PowerStroker, just as I was when I used to post it back when Obama was President... Only under Obama wasn't the debt per person somewhere around $60k? Today that amount has risen to $68k which in my opinion is a failure...

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Nuffan wrote:
PowerStroker wrote:
I've looked at this since Trump took office:

usdebtclock.org

and yet he has created less debt than Obama with much better results...

I am not so sure Nuffan, let's take a closer look,

https://autotrend.activeboard.com/t65667057/a-look-at-the-debt-clock-since-1980/

PowerStroker is right, the national debt is STILL GROWING! Maybe not as quickly as under Obama, which is no excuse, but it's still growing! If Trump is going to wave his magic wand at anything he's got a year to do it before the election, otherwise it would seem like he is continuing the "status-quo by kicking the can down the road", just like Obama.

I have to live in the "real world" Nuffan, please join us and tell us exactly what President Trump has done for this nation that is of significance? This is only the second time I have asked you.

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SELLC wrote:
Nuffan wrote:
PowerStroker wrote:
I've looked at this since Trump took office:

usdebtclock.org

and yet he has created less debt than Obama with much better results...

I am not so sure Nuffan, let's take a closer look,
https://autotrend.activeboard.com/t65667057/a-look-at-the-debt-clock-since-1980/
PowerStroker is right, the national debt is STILL GROWING! Maybe not as quickly as under Obama, which is no excuse, but it's still growing! If Trump is going to wave his magic wand at anything he's got a year to do it before the election, otherwise it would seem like he is continuing the "status-quo by kicking the can down the road", just like Obama.
I have to live in the "real world" Nuffan, please join us and tell us exactly what President Trump has done for this nation that is of significance? This is only the second time I have asked you.

I know how to do math...so I am positive...

Define done?

The lowest corporate tax rates on the planet are very significant...

The reworking global trade so America gets to take advantage of their market...

These are very significant...

His policies are responsible for a 400% increase in manufacturing jobs.

The reality is most of these things were actually done by Congress prior to 2018...

Presidents as a rule do not DO a lot...except sign off on what Congress has proposed.

They do set the tone of what they expect....so maybe I do not actually give presidents as a whole enough credit...

but it is in the end CONGRESS that sets the tax rates and appropriates the dollars...

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Nuffan wrote:

I know how to do math...so I am positive...

Define done?

The lowest corporate tax rates on the planet are very significant...

The reworking global trade so America gets to take advantage of their market...

These are very significant...

His policies are responsible for a 400% increase in manufacturing jobs.

The reality is most of these things were actually done by Congress prior to 2018...

Presidents as a rule do not DO a lot...except sign off on what Congress has proposed.

They do set the tone of what they expect....so maybe I do not actually give presidents as a whole enough credit...

but it is in the end CONGRESS that sets the tax rates and appropriates the dollars...

Woah now Nuffan, I think most of the time you have a pretty good beed on things but we're far apart on this one.

Trump claimed an industrial revolution to match that of the early 40's and 50's! I have seen nothing of the sort..

Trump claimed to do away with Dodd Frank and government medaling in lending, but that hasn't happened for anyone except for his fat cat buddies (read that as banks). I haven't seen any new loans since 2016, not for the business or personally. In fact, my over inflated market value of my home and the ones around me that are driving up my tax rate does not seem to matter. Small business is getting fucked harder than under any President I can ever remember - but I should have known, Trump is for big business only! Small business just takes away from his corporate profits.

Congress, now there is a good one... Under Obama they come together and rammed healthcare down our throats - but you know what? Due to my adjusted income they didn't charge me a dime for it! While I have used it only once at a local private clinic, it has been used by my kids and wife without issue and without cost! That is REAL, it's as real as that same plan being killed soon because Trump wants to kill Obamacare before he has anything else to replace it with. That too is real talk.

400% increase in jobs? What is that supposed to mean? 400% increase in tax revenues? HELL NO! These jobs are shit and barely enough to live on by the time you factor in your mandatory car and health insurance... forget luxuries like life and renters/homeowners unless you're really doing good you might have a house and a car payment to go along with them! There is no professional influx of trade work or infrastructure in the works and it's only a year from 2020!

What SOLID piece of legislation does Trump have that benefits the people and will not hinge on Americans giving him another term with a congress made up of a majority of Republicans? REALLY NUFFAN, what has he got outside of the low hanging fruit known as the EO.?

NOTHING!

He has spent three years complaining about this witch hunt, and how he is not guilty... But guess what!? HE IS THE FUCKING PRESIDENT, they cant charge him with shit anyway and he knows this! He could have ended the Mueller investigation before it even started, fired sessions and took a hard line toward making the lives of Americans better but what did he do? He cut business taxes, knowing that no business is going to just move all the stuff back here, they will find ways to wait it out! Meanwhile he transfers this big business tax cut to the people of the United States thru Tariffs! You don't see this? It might be worth it if he can accomplish something, but given what I have seen now it's probably not going to be good for people like you or anyone else in this forum who is not a billionaire or a bank.

It's time over the course of the next year to really lean on the President, much like he leaned on his employees in The Apprentice. If he doesn't deliver, "You're Fired" and he will wish he ended that investigation before it started because I am pretty sure the Democrats want his ass in the worst possible way! Trump knows the majority is not the billionaire club he is a member.. His greed and ineffectiveness will be his own undoing should "results" not be felt by the people who put him there.

I'm not happy with the results so far Nuffan, is that a bad thing for me to say? Be honest.

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NEW YORK (AP) The nation's largest banks are rewarding shareholders by spending tens of billions raising their dividends and buying back stock after getting the green light from the Federal Reserve.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-approves-buyback-dividend-plans-203220040.html

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
I've looked at this since Trump took office:

usdebtclock.org

Did you look at it the 8 years odumbo was in?

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

SELLC wrote:
Nuffan wrote:

I know how to do math...so I am positive...

Define done?

The lowest corporate tax rates on the planet are very significant...

The reworking global trade so America gets to take advantage of their market...

These are very significant...

His policies are responsible for a 400% increase in manufacturing jobs.

The reality is most of these things were actually done by Congress prior to 2018...

Presidents as a rule do not DO a lot...except sign off on what Congress has proposed.

They do set the tone of what they expect....so maybe I do not actually give presidents as a whole enough credit...

but it is in the end CONGRESS that sets the tax rates and appropriates the dollars...

Woah now Nuffan, I think most of the time you have a pretty good beed on things but we're far apart on this one.
Trump claimed an industrial revolution to match that of the early 40's and 50's! I have seen nothing of the sort..
Trump claimed to do away with Dodd Frank and government medaling in lending, but that hasn't happened for anyone except for his fat cat buddies (read that as banks). I haven't seen any new loans since 2016, not for the business or personally. In fact, my over inflated market value of my home and the ones around me that are driving up my tax rate does not seem to matter. Small business is getting fucked harder than under any President I can ever remember - but I should have known, Trump is for big business only! Small business just takes away from his corporate profits.
Congress, now there is a good one... Under Obama they come together and rammed healthcare down our throats - but you know what? Due to my adjusted income they didn't charge me a dime for it! While I have used it only once at a local private clinic, it has been used by my kids and wife without issue and without cost! That is REAL, it's as real as that same plan being killed soon because Trump wants to kill Obamacare before he has anything else to replace it with. That too is real talk.
400% increase in jobs? What is that supposed to mean? 400% increase in tax revenues? HELL NO! These jobs are shit and barely enough to live on by the time you factor in your mandatory car and health insurance... forget luxuries like life and renters/homeowners unless you're really doing good you might have a house and a car payment to go along with them! There is no professional influx of trade work or infrastructure in the works and it's only a year from 2020!
What SOLID piece of legislation does Trump have that benefits the people and will not hinge on Americans giving him another term with a congress made up of a majority of Republicans? REALLY NUFFAN, what has he got outside of the low hanging fruit known as the EO.?
NOTHING!
He has spent three years complaining about this witch hunt, and how he is not guilty... But guess what!? HE IS THE FUCKING PRESIDENT, they cant charge him with shit anyway and he knows this! He could have ended the Mueller investigation before it even started, fired sessions and took a hard line toward making the lives of Americans better but what did he do? He cut business taxes, knowing that no business is going to just move all the stuff back here, they will find ways to wait it out! Meanwhile he transfers this big business tax cut to the people of the United States thru Tariffs! You don't see this? It might be worth it if he can accomplish something, but given what I have seen now it's probably not going to be good for people like you or anyone else in this forum who is not a billionaire or a bank.
It's time over the course of the next year to really lean on the President, much like he leaned on his employees in The Apprentice. If he doesn't deliver, "You're Fired" and he will wish he ended that investigation before it started because I am pretty sure the Democrats want his ass in the worst possible way! Trump knows the majority is not the billionaire club he is a member.. His greed and ineffectiveness will be his own undoing should "results" not be felt by the people who put him there.
I'm not happy with the results so far Nuffan, is that a bad thing for me to say? Be honest.

400% increase in MANUFACTURING jobs....something that has been in decline for three decades...

Something that both Clinton and Obama said would never come back...

And if you sell out American labor for a global economy it would not come back....

The lowest unemployment rates across all sectors since 1969...

Lowest minority unemployment in HISTORY...

Strongest economy since post world war II...

These are all due to the reduction in corporate tax rates. Make it cost less to do business in the US companies do more business in the US....

If you do not see this...maybe you should open your eyes...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Saturday 29th of June 2019 07:01:45 PM

-- Edited by Nuffan on Saturday 29th of June 2019 07:02:29 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Oh I see it Nuffan - EVERY DAY ON THE NEWS!

But I ain't feeling it...

If it cost less to do business in the USA then why am I spending more for the same stuff?

Which one is it?

400% in manufacturing would suggest I start seeing a lot more Made in USA goods... Nope. All made in China!

Want US made? Sure, pay an extra $50 and we will sell you something boxed in the USA with global components...

Yeah sure buddy... whatever..

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SELLC wrote:
Oh I see it Nuffan - EVERY DAY ON THE NEWS!
But I ain't feeling it...
If it cost less to do business in the USA then why am I spending more for the same stuff?
Which one is it?
400% in manufacturing would suggest I start seeing a lot more Made in USA goods... Nope. All made in China!
Want US made? Sure, pay an extra $50 and we will sell you something boxed in the USA with global components...
Yeah sure buddy... whatever..

You are sounding really ignorant...

The increase in manufacturing is REAL whether you want to believe it or not...

and it explains the decreases in unemployment across all sectors...

it is costing you more because of inflation caused by quantitative easing...

costing less to do business here means government takes less but surely you already understood that...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

We'll see..