I wish the chart would show up better, but yeah, I couldn't live on this Rex. You don't understand just how good you have it in Michigan. Now there may be plant engineers there that make more than me, but everything I've heard says there is a huge manufacturing pay difference between the northern states wtih labor unions, and southern "Right to Work" (for less) states.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Postal Service furor a 'ploy by Democrats to raise money from gullible liberals'

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Well gosh, if Republican senator Tom Cotton says so... Actually I'll wait for the Congressional investigation and actual journalism to inform me of the truth. I have a feeling it will contradict Tom Cotton's appraisal of the situation, as usual.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Apparently the resident Republican judge on Fox "News" is one of these "gullible liberals" of which you speak.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-napolitano-congress-needs-something-161025837.html

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Well gosh, if Republican senator Tom Cotton says so... Actually I'll wait for the Congressional investigation and actual journalism to inform me of the truth. I have a feeling it will contradict Tom Cotton's appraisal of the situation, as usual.

What don't you get PowerStroker? We are tired of your bullshit investigations that all end up pointing to your party after wasting countless millions!

How many times is your party going to cry wolf? It's been more than three times! I think it's clear that your party has FAILED the American people in the most profound way!

Obama pulled 14,000 mail boxes under his tenure and it wasn't a big deal! Not a PEEP!

Post office was on it's way to insolvency WAY BEFORE the election started heating up! Have you ever had to deal with customer service over the phone with the USPS? I guess not!

If you're not old, deployed or out of town on vacation you should be voting at the polls!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Apparently the resident Republican judge on Fox "News" is one of these "gullible liberals" of which you speak.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-napolitano-congress-needs-something-161025837.html

This must be the third time we have gone over the jaded wanna-be Judge Napolitano who was passed over for a White House position by Trump and has been sore about it every since.

We might as well call him Mitt Romney or John McCain!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Name a time my party cried wolf, when there wasn't actually a wolf.

If you're suggesting Trump's impeachment was one, I would remind you the evidence against him remains so overwhelming that even a Republican senator agreed. Which is why Mitch McConnell wouldn't allow witnesses or evidence. Generally that is a sign of an actual wolf my friend.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

No, generally that is a sign of a sore loser who stepped aside for McCain and then ultimatly lost to Obama... If you can't see that, then perhaps I should post some links to your post when you were ripping on Bain Capital?

Who was it that ran that horrible Bain Capital back then PowerStroker?

It's clear you are a bigot and only accept people when they 100% buy into your partisan BS... Sad really.

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:

Obama pulled 14,000 mail boxes under his tenure and it wasn't a big deal! Not a PEEP!

That's OK, not much of a big-deal appeared to be made with G.W.Bush jr.'s election results either...And they were severely corrupted...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Rastus wrote:
SELLC wrote:

Obama pulled 14,000 mail boxes under his tenure and it wasn't a big deal! Not a PEEP!

That's OK, not much of a big-deal appeared to be made with G.W.Bush jr.'s election results either...And they were severely corrupted...

Oh sure they were... Both times he won the election too, right?

confuse

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

That's precisely the issue here...

How corrupt is your voting system ?...

How can a president be elected, when the votes haven't been fully counted ?...

Confusedt...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

If you show up late to the polls you don't get to vote.

If your mail in ballot shows up late it's the same thing!

Guess people should just show up on time election day to vote!

Simple as that!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

If the 2000 Florida recount wasn't stopped by the SCOTUS, Gore would have been president.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

How many times did you want them to recount it?

I am sure Broward county needed another ten times so they could go on an average.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Just one manual recount would have been fine.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election_recount_in_Florida

Pre-certification decisions that altered certified Florida 2000 presidential vote total
Decision-makers	Decisions	Impact on vote count^[a]
Decision-makers	Decisions	Gore	Bush
Canvassing boards around the state	Decisions by some canvassing boards to count illegal overseas absentee ballots. At Thanksgiving, decisions by 14 county boards to reverse prior decisions in order to include 288 ballots that had been rejected days earlier.^[c]^[28]^[52]^[53]^[54]	194^[d]	486^[d]
Canvassing boards of Alachua, Bay, Bradford, Charlotte, Columbia, Escambia, Franklin, Gulf, Hendry, Hernando, Holmes, Lake, Manatee, Okaloosa, Okeechobee, St. Johns and Washington Counties	Election day decisions by 17 Optiscan counties not to "manually review overvotes that couldn't be properly read by machine"^[e]^[f]^[55]^[56]^[57]	-1278	-826
Canvassing boards of Alachua, Bay, Charlotte, Citrus, Columbia, Escambia, Franklin, Gadsden, Holmes, Jackson, Lake, Leon, Manatee, Monroe, Okaloosa, Okeechobee, St. Johns, Suwanee and Washington Counties	Election day decisions by 19 Optiscan counties not to "manually review undervotes that couldn't be read by counting machines"^[e]^[g]^[20]^[55]	-789^[h]	-733^[h]
Canvassing boards of Collier, DeSoto, Dixie, Duval, Glades, Hardee, Highlands, Hillsborough, Indian River, Jefferson, Lee, Madison, Marion, Miami-Dade, Nassau, Osceola, Pasco, Pinellas, Sarasota, Sumter and Wakulla Counties	Election day decisions by 21 punch-card counties not to "attempt to determine voter intent on undervotes that couldn't be read by counting machines"^[e]^[55]	-1310	-1858
The above 21 boards plus Palm Beach County Canvassing Board	Election day decisions by 22 punch-card counties not to "attempt to determine voter intent on overvotes that couldn't be properly read by machine"^[e]^[j]^[55]	-396	-189
Palm Beach County Canvassing Board	Decision not to review dimpled ballots with clear indications of intent^[k]^[55]	-2735	-2107
Nassau County Canvassing Board	Decision to change county's certified vote from the mechanical recount total back to the election night vote total^[c]^[58]	73	124
Secretary of State Katherine Harris	Decision not to include Palm Beach County's vote recount results (all but 53 precincts) submitted before certification deadline^[l]^[4]^[55]^[59]^[60]^[61]^[62]	-480	-265
Secretary of State Katherine Harris	Decision not to include Miami-Dade County's vote recount results (139 precincts) accomplished before certification deadline^[54]^[59]^[63]	-302	-134
Impact of all decisions on candidates' potential statewide totals		-7023	-5502
Potential statewide vote count in absence of all decisions^[m]		2,919,276	2,918,292
		48.85%	48.84%
		984 margin

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 17th of August 2020 08:56:59 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Well you know that's total BS PowerStroker! Because Broward county isn't even on that list! And we all know about Broward county...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

You're right, what happened in 2000 IS total BS. We agree again, wow, twice in one night!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Ummm.... hmm

I see what you did there!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Amazing..........

amazing !.jpg

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Name a time my party cried wolf, when there wasn't actually a wolf.

If you're suggesting Trump's impeachment was one, I would remind you the evidence against him remains so overwhelming that even a Republican senator agreed. Which is why Mitch McConnell wouldn't allow witnesses or evidence. Generally that is a sign of an actual wolf my friend.

Solemani was a wolf and your party cried anyway. The fuck had bounty's on the heads of GI's and the left loves him.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Um no we don't. We just question the wisdom of offing him like that. It almost started a shooting war with Iran, and we prefer to think these things through a little more first.

Putin has put bounties on the heads of US soldiers, and Trump won't say or do anything about it. As a former airman, does that bother you?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Yeah, because kicking the back door open in Pah-KEE-Stahn and raiding Bin Laden's secret lair was much less subtle than a drone strike on an empty road in the desert.

And with regards to Russian bounties, I will require PROOF! You know the reputiable news desk link requirement for liberal propaganda!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

I don't know about Russian bounties, but apparently it's a haven for folks with a few $$$ to spend...

www.rt.com/russia/480137-moscow-luxury-goods-study/

I wonder how their Postal Service is going ?...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

So the House just passed a bill to give the USPS $25 billion dollars... I guess they figure $25 billion is the cost to steal the election and get the Postal Services' help...

I have some serious concerns with this $25 billion comming from tax payers rather than increases on companies like Amazon or any other "bulk" rate customers who make billions off of sales... Just feels like we are giving all the Jeff Bezos' and Amazon's of the world another $25 billion dollars. Why can't they raise their bulk rate for companies? I don't shop on Amazon so I don't really care what they charge them! Make them pay full price like the rest of us!

I don't think it's the first class letters that are killing the post office, I think it's all the packages dumped at the sorting centers by Amazon and China for pennies on the dollar! Make them pay!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I don't really object to raising the bulk rates, just as long as it is done across the board and not just to a specific few companies that rub you the wrong way. Right now the post office is a shit show, and it was made that way intentionally by your party. We need to fix it, we need to get the partisan hacks out of it, and then we can worry about making it a self-supporting agency again later. The Post Office is non partisan, and they have nothing to do with rigging elections. They deliver mail, and as part of that, they deliver ballots. If you question the legitimacy of the ballots of a specific jurisdiction, you should investigate that jurisdiction, not blow up the entire postal service.

Don't kill the messenger.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
I don't really object to raising the bulk rates, just as long as it is done across the board and not just to a specific few companies that rub you the wrong way. Right now the post office is a shit show, and it was made that way intentionally by your party. We need to fix it, we need to get the partisan hacks out of it, and then we can worry about making it a self-supporting agency again later. The Post Office is non partisan, and they have nothing to do with rigging elections. They deliver mail, and as part of that, they deliver ballots. If you question the legitimacy of the ballots of a specific jurisdiction, you should investigate that jurisdiction, not blow up the entire postal service.

Don't kill the messenger.

WRONG POWERSTROKER!

Did you not even read my post!? The Republicans did not cause a 200% jump in mail surge! The Wuhan-Flu did!

You still don't get it..

As someone who sells a little online I pay FULL PRICE for my shipping! That should mean that as a citizen paying FULL PRICE my package gets priority over ANY company that is getting a bulk rate discount! I mention Amazon because they are the biggest abuser, but without a doubt this 200% surge in shipping isn't just from Amazon, it's from almost all online retailers.

I have already gone over the need for people to show up at the polls in person, and not just have their ballots harvested outside the watchful eyes of election officials who preserve the voice of the most vulnerable. I cannot get a plate or drivers licence by mail because they require identification in person, I feel the vote shouldn't be any different. The whole USPS scam is just another bullshit story your party has picked up and run with knowing damn well that the volume of mail being processed has skyrocketed and the post office can no longer handle the sheer volume at the same discounted rates.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Kinda makes one think they shouldn't be disposing of the mail sorting machines then huh?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

What you think really doesnt matter.

Just stick to knocking off Rotunda tools.

When everyone can start running $60 Billion in the red then we can talk.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

You seem a little more pissy than normal. Is something going on?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I'm laughing my ass off, not pissy at all!

I'm not a Democrat, what reason do I have to be pissy?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Well, you just kind of said it. Democrats are driven by hope, and Republicans by anger or fear. I just don't know which one you are experiencing or why.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-uses-dark-message-to-kick-off-rnc-despite-aides-claims-of-optimism/ar-BB18k3WM?li=BBnb7Kz

Case in point^^^

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 24th of August 2020 02:03:02 PM

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Well, you just kind of said it. Democrats are driven by hope, and Republicans by anger or fear. I just don't know which one you are experiencing or why.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-uses-dark-message-to-kick-off-rnc-despite-aides-claims-of-optimism/ar-BB18k3WM?li=BBnb7Kz
Case in point^^^

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 24th of August 2020 02:03:02 PM

No,,, Dems are driven by mental retardation.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I dunno about that. Dems live in the major population centers. The central hubs of society, culture, education, medicine, entertainment, science, and enlightenment are predominantly Democratic in every case I can think of.

Places like Kentucky, which I don't really know what their claim to fame is, are generally Republican.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Tobacco, Corvettes, and Bourbon to name just three...

You know, seem's you're the biggest racist of them all with your stereotypes.

And FYI, most of the bright minds that build and run all the things you mention live in the suburbs and commute.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Tobacco and Bourbon yes. And while Corvettes may be assembled there, the mother company is headquartered near you, and they only assemble some cars in the south because the wages are depressed relative to the north, and they don't have to pay any union pension or good benefits. Actually Rex, you live in a suburb of one of the great population centers, and the seat of American manufacturing might.

Congrats!

BTW, I'm not racist, I'm regionist. And it's only a stereotype if it's not true.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 24th of August 2020 05:44:32 PM

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Well, you just kind of said it. Democrats are driven by hope,

Hope? What, that your pathetic party makes it thru November?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Tobacco and Bourbon yes. And while Corvettes may be assembled there, the mother company is headquartered near you, and they only assemble some cars in the south because the wages are depressed relative to the north, and they don't have to pay any union pension or good benefits. Actually Rex, you live in a suburb of one of the great population centers, and the seat of American manufacturing might.

Congrats!

BTW, I'm not racist, I'm regionist. And it's only a stereotype if it's not true.

Dude, the Corvette musem is in Kentucky too! Sure, GM makes the Corvette and is HQ'ed in Detroit, but finaly assembily is done in Bowling Green Kentucky! I wouldn't expect a pedestrian Honda owner like you to know anything about it.

With regards to your union claims, if they were true (and they are not) then ALL car manufatures would be moving to the South!

Are you suggesting someone working the line at the Bowling Green Kentucky plant making Corvettes isn't getting paid well? LOL, okay... They probably make more than you!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I wish the chart would show up better, but yeah, I couldn't live on this Rex. You don't understand just how good you have it in Michigan. Now there may be plant engineers there that make more than me, but everything I've heard says there is a huge manufacturing pay difference between the northern states wtih labor unions, and southern "Right to Work" (for less) states.

Manufacturing Salary in Bowling Green, KY

Bowling Green, KY Average

$16,680$26,733/year

Corvette Assembly Plant is Hiring Temporary Full-Time Production Workers

By

Keith Cornett

-

Nov 22, 2019

6503

Corvette Assembly Plant is Hiring Temporary Full-Time Production Workers

Photo Credit: General Motors

If building new Corvettes professionally is your dream job, keep reading!

We caught this Were Hiring! advertisement from GM for the Bowling Green Assembly Plant who are adding temporary full-time production workers as the 2020 Corvette Stingray prepares to start retail production in February 2020.

The NCM says on facebook that the candidates for these positions will come from Bowling Green and surrounding areas, no degrees required, and the positions may provide a pathway for permanent employment. The starting pay is $16.67 per hour with opportunities ranging across multiple shifts. Those hired receive benefits after 90 days.

FYI, my guarantee rate on a non productive week is twice that. And most of my weeks are productive.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Tuesday 25th of August 2020 09:46:09 AM

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
I dunno about that. Dems live in the major population centers. The central hubs of society, culture, education, medicine, entertainment, science, and enlightenment are predominantly Democratic in every case I can think of.

Places like Kentucky, which I don't really know what their claim to fame is, are generally Republican.

Yeah, that's why we got a Dem Gov. Lexington and Louisville make the vote and they are libtards.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
I wish the chart would show up better, but yeah, I couldn't live on this Rex. You don't understand just how good you have it in Michigan. Now there may be plant engineers there that make more than me, but everything I've heard says there is a huge manufacturing pay difference between the northern states wtih labor unions, and southern "Right to Work" (for less) states.

It's all relative Powerstroker. I have lived all over the country, way different pay scales. Cost of living here is very low, one can live on that.

All my life I hear "I can't move there, I can't make enough" Yeah you could if you tried it. I did and was successful anywhere I moved because I "knew" that.

But that's OK, stay where your at. You'd probably vote Beshears latest proposal. %100 percent total free health care for all KY blacks. Say what????? Want 100% free health care???? do it for all KY residents equal across the board.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Yeah, I suppose if the cost of living is less it would work.

I agree that healthcare should be free for ALL citizens as a right of citizenship and paid for through taxes.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Everything should be free!

biggrin

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Yeah, I suppose if the cost of living is less it would work.

I agree that healthcare should be free for ALL citizens as a right of citizenship and paid for through taxes.

Absolutely. If a state is going to do free health care, do it for everyone. If not it fails. In Maine, around 2000+ a couple Gov Baldacci, worst gov the state (bankrupt the state, bankrupt his mommas restaurant, quickly, bought a new heli even though he had one),,,, ever had,,,, came up with "Dirigo health care" Cool except it benefited no one but ex cons.

It's less for sure. Just takes realizing it and making the commitment to change. Couple weeks ago I got 10# of 80-20% burger. $1.49 a pound. Not always that low but it goes there and take advantage of it.