Amazon does $280+ billion a year in revenue. So the $26 billion in pay isn't even a dent in it's massive yearly revenue.

I imagine it might be a long time, if not ever that we see any reconing for Amazon or Bezos at their current trajectory.

Trump puts the figure at $3-$4 the United States Postal Service is losing by delivering each of Amazons packages. 

Trump also says that Amazon often times sets up their fulfillment centers in close proximity to USPS hubs, so they can just dump truckloads of packages there and leave the USPS to figure it out.

(Skip to the 1:40 mark for exact quote pertaining to Amazon).

Amazon has in the past gotten off paying any taxes at all some years, and often times even when it purchases buildings to run it's warehouses there are conditions set up with the local government that sees them skirt property taxes along with many other perks.

Amazon is even getting into the shipping business itself, once again to cut out anyone middle-manning the middle man! 

PowerStroker wrote:

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Trump saying something doesn't make it true. USPS actually has a profit margin on Amazon shipments, even at the discounted rate. And with the decrease in regular mail, package delivery is becoming an increasingly important part of the USPS core operations.

I should mention that Speaker Pelosi was absolutely correct when she said USPS isn't a business, it's an essential service, and not one that need necessarily be revenue positive, or even revenue neutral.

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Just because Trump says something doesn't make it un-true! I understand you are not Trump's biggest fan, but at the same time the USPS is not there to enrich people like Jeff Bezos either!

Recently I sold an item on eBay (think I mentioned it before) and the item just yesterday was returned to me after almost five weeks! The item was a small flat rate box with an advertised delivery time of 2-3 business days. The customer waited over two weeks before he was issued a refund while my package sat for another three weeks in NJ! Meanwhile, Amazon was getting it's packages delivered! Now what is that PowerStroker!? Do you feel the USPS exist to cater to Amazon while other Americans and small businesses just get delayed!?

The USPS damn well better be revenue positive or neutral! Because if not, people like Bezos and even other countries like China will take advantage at OUR expence! First class mail is your classic cornerstone service inside the USA and I agree it should remain affordable and it should reach every corner of the USA! Sure some locations may be cost prohibitive to run due to their remote location but other areas should be able to make up for these shortfalls without any issue! Delivering large packages has never been the USPS's bag and often times for these kinds of delivery there is UPS, FedEx and freight companies! 

Speaker Pelosi never cared when China was dumping boat-loads of mail off at the ports and having packages delivered for LESS than what you or I could send a regular letter sized envalope First Class! THAT IS WRONG! 

My whole issue in this thread is this idea that a business, or even a country - can run in the red like this! It's not fair to everyone else who has to keep the bottom line in the black! In fact it really angers me! If the USPS is not making money off other companies and has been losing billions of dollars year after year it's clear that we are all being taken advantage of and that needs to be changed! 

China was cut off from the cheap delivery costs a long time ago when Trump got in office, but now he is on to Amazon and Jeff Bezos who is literally using the USPS to put our brick and mortar stores out of business! Who is going to wait even a day and pay more for an item when they can buy it at their local store for less and have it immediatly!? When all the brick and mortar stores are gone what do you think will happen to the cost of items on Amazon? Already Amazon has bumped up it's prices and most of the time when something is being sold thru "Prime" it's usually just as expensive if not a little more expensive than what you can go buy it at the store for! Once all the brick and mortar stores are gone they will claim that internet orders cost more because it's a luxury, much like how they tax fast food.

If you are being honest with yourself you can not deny these issues. The USPS does not exist to enrich Jeff Bezos or China! The USPS is an essential service for the PEOPLE!  

I guess its just beyond your comprehension. Its okay, you dont have to be ashamed or embarrassed.

So, how has your side business been going with all this COVID going on? You were doing some CNC stuff, right?

Lets say you did a run of parts at bulk rate for a customer. In doing so you lost $4 per part, however the person buying them was making a return of $20 per item above and beyond his cost. Sooner or later youll be operating at a loss while your buyer gets very rich. Then when you finally go out of business your buyer takes over your company for a fraction of the cost and makes said parts for even less while charging even more to make up for buying you out.

Don't strain your brain on this, I know its hard stuff for you to get your liberal mind around.

PowerStroker wrote:

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Yes I use a cnc lathe to make my line of specialty fittings. At regular price the markup is pretty high. But I do bulk sales every once in a while, and give people volume discounts that still leave me a profit margin. Which is exactly what USPS does with Amazon and many others. In the event one of my customers began competing with me with my own products, I then would reduce their discount on any future order to the point where they couldn't under sell-me and make a profit. But that hasn't been an issue. There have been people who outright counterfeit my stuff which has been a problem though.

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I am sorry PowerStroker but what the USPS does with Amazon is NOTHING like what you do with a bulk sale. It's cute, and I get what you're saying but you're not the USPS nor have you ever been handed an order so big at times that you had to spend more than you antisipated to keep up with your orders. This is exactly what was hapening with the USPS when it came to Amazon and China dumping massive amounts of mail on the USPS.

It would be like you setting a bulk price for something, then your buyer demaning 100,000 more units than you could ever turn over in a reasonable amount of time. Only you could not refuse because you had a bulk agreement. The USPS does not have the luxury of denying a cargo ship full of mail, or 100 semi's full of Amazon product being dumped at it's intake centers! 

You are not being realistic to scale PowerStroker. You're small potatoes! Your balance sheet has to be black at the end of the month or something has to give. The Post office can run in the red AND IT HAS BEEN RUNNING IN THE RED! The billions that the Post Office needs is the billions that let Jeff Bezos cash out stock and buy up luxury real estate all over the country! But I suppose you're okay with tax payers buying Jeff Bezos a few more luxury homes... I guess your okay with China selling counterfeit items, some of which could be your designs, for 1/3 of your cost and sending them here for 1/3 of what it cost you to send them inside the country. 

I admire your patent efforts though PowerStroker! That is quite a feat, even if it wasn't approved! You shouldn't beat yourself up about it too hard though because most of the patent violations would be coming out of places like China where you wouldnt be able to do nothing but maybe get the vendor to pull down the listings, and even then you would be spending all your time looking for them as they would pop back up as soon as the others were pulled.