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Does space travel for five minutes justify emissions? [3 vote(s)]

No, it really doesn't. Another way for the rich to thumb their nose at regular people.
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Billionaire Space Race Madness Overlooks Environmental Cost?


Okay, so Richard Branson and his Virgin passengers were the first commercial trip to the very tip of space, and on July 20th of this month Jeff Bezos will "officially" launch a private crew into the "official" limits of space according to 94% of the world.

This is exciting no doubt! That one day a person can charter a flight to space and see the earth with their own eyes from space! And Bezos is talking about building a "Moon Base" for people to actually vacation there and floating space stations that could house millions of people floating around out there! But wait, there is more! Elon Musk is in the long game with his targets set on a Mars colonization! 

With all this excitement it's easy to overlook the fact that sending these rockets and crafts up there is using an INSANE amount of fuel as their rockets pierce the atmosphere into space for what amounts to LESS THAN 5 minutes. All of these companies are re-using their rockets or vessels which is admirable! But it's really hard to swallow this environmental BS when you figure that more and more, these companies are going to be sending the general public (read that as the rich ones) into space regularly. All of this fuel and emissions to allow someone FIVE MINUTES in space?

For extra credit, anyone who want's to find out how much fuel and pollution one rocket launch consumes and emits I'd be very interested to know! I'm not trying to throw a wet towel on space travel, I am just tired of hearing about all this Green BS and vehicle emissions if they are just going to be eventually burning even more fuel shooting people into space for five minutes!

I'm quite happy here on Earth, but that doesn't mean I should feel bad about driving an ICE vehicle when they are pounding these rockets into space like it's a Disney attraction! And don't you dare think for a minute that Walt Disney or Universal Studio's isn't already thinking about a Moon or Mars based resort! LOL



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Good points SELLC.

1st off, we don't need rockets...We "mastered" Gravity Control in October 1955.This allows us to utilize the earths magnetic field to move in, & navigate from, whilst utilizing high-voltage ( millions of volts ) & certain resonant frequencies to ensure that a craft is mass-less.

The power comes from the quantum-vaccuum-point-energy, or if you rather zero-point-energy, that's all around us, & it is estimated that the space occupied by your average empty paper-cup for coffee, has 10^26 joules of energy within it. That's 10-Joules, with 26 zero's after it. And that's enough energy to boil-off all the oceans of their water. It's this energy that the ET's use to get around from star-system to star system.

The gov't "black projects" or USAP's know this, & likely have it already, no doubt, & use it in the reverse engineered, man-made UFO's.

Think of the above "Virgin" explorations as nothing more than having some ability to traverse space, whilst keeping the oil industries alive...

You don't see any genuine ET craft using Chevron Aviation fuel for propulsion LOL !

We have the technologies right now for a pollution-free planet, but these are suppressed by the fascistic people who own & run our current energy supply chain.

Check-out Sirius my friends !!!

Here you go, watch, learn, & enjoy :) !



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Most rockets used to leave Earth's gravity are powered by liquid hydrogen. The emission created by burning hydrogen is water vapor, which is why we really need to move toward a hydrogen economy and phase out fossil fuels. The production of the liquid hydrogen isn't carbon neutral, but in this case, a big fire doesn't indicate big pollution.

There is also a bigger picture to look at, which is Earth won't be able to support this much human life indefinitely. It is therefore necessary to develop the technology to colonize space, and the development of this technology will no doubt cause some emissions that hurt our planet even more than we already have.

The alternative would be mandatory sterilization of conservatives.

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The alternative would be mandatory sterilization of conservatives.


 

Oh... well then by all means, TO THE MOON!



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1.Most rockets used to leave Earth's gravity are powered by liquid hydrogen. The emission created by burning hydrogen is water vapor, which is why we really need to move toward a hydrogen economy and phase out fossil fuels. The production of the liquid hydrogen isn't carbon neutral, but in this case, a big fire doesn't indicate big pollution.

2.There is also a bigger picture to look at, which is Earth won't be able to support this much human life indefinitely. It is therefore necessary to develop the technology to colonize space, and the development of this technology will no doubt cause some emissions that hurt our planet even more than we already have.

3.The alternative would be mandatory sterilization of conservatives.


 

R1. Great point...Apparently separating the hydrogen & oxygen is quite expensive, & requires lot's of energy. This is another reason why we must adapt to free energy from the vacuum / zero-point-energy. The devices have already been made by numerous people over the years, but sequestered under the National Security Act etc etc. I'll pin Stan Meyers plans at the bottom here for his device that runs any vehicle from water...Once again sequestered because of his zero-point-energy device that's requied.

R2. This is a tricky problem, & finding a suitable planet that's uninhabited may also prove difficult. Our own solar-systems planets are no good...Either too close to the sun, or too far away. And none have atmosphere's that would support our needs. The real answer resides in careful legislation & setting limits, whilst responsible parental planning & guidance is incorporated. No more "accidental" pregnancies is what I'm alluring too, but this necessitates a whole new social philosophy & understanding imo. The planet can & will fix herself, plus sustain us all once pollution goes, & people have their own self-sustaining homes, & grow their own foodstuff. We need zero-point-energy NOW !

R3. LOL ! Not quite worthy of the famous quotes thread, but up there still !!! You never know what's in this Covid Vaccine folks, & I've printed proof of Nuke Industry aid, meaning that sterilization may be yet another free gift from the nuke industry via vaccination.

 

Check this out !!! You home inventors / tinkerers may just be able to help yourselves out.

 

 

 



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I think it's all bullshit... sarcasm is totally wasted on the internet.

Liberals like to sterilize themselves because the idea they would have to take care of someone else terrifies them. They all say the same thing "How can you raise a child in todays world?" and it's just the most rediculous bullshit I have ever heard! HELLO! The only problem with todays world is YOU! If you don't want to have kids just say that!

I don't doubt Rastus' zero point energy claims, but I'd much rather see details of that, than stans steam engine.

Seems to me the only way to produce mass amounts of energy outside harnessing lightning or conventional methods requires serious heat, we're taking supernova kinda heat. This translates to nukes.

Again, I have no interest in visiting or living in space. I am happy to live and die right here on this planet! I don't feel that my life should have negative impacts because I choose to be an earthling! In other words, people should not be forced to pay an emissions tax if they are just going to be splitting atoms and making their own suns deep in the earth while launching massive amounts of rockets! Anything currently built to house life off this panet is being done so with resources that belong to this planet! No government or country has the right to steal from the world like that! I still feel that all of the weight in steel and materials that have been shot into space is the REAL reason for climate change! Like taking wheel weights off a tire, it's going to throw things out of balance! No doubt the loss of metals and magnets is also throwing off our poles too! These cocksuckers think we're all stupid! 



-- Edited by SELLC on Tuesday 13th of July 2021 05:23:51 PM

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But I am glad to hear rockets use liquid nitrogen and basically only emit water vapor! That's for sure a plus!

However Virgin appears to use four jet engines to get it's craft up to the 50,000 feet before it uses what might be liquid nitrogen to finish off the accent.



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Yo,

It seems that PowerStroker was onto something with colonizing space, as I just read an article where Northrop Drummon just won the rights to "build homes that orbit the moon"...

I must admit that I laughed quite hard at this...Why would you want to live in a satellite that orbits the moon ?...And what would you do for a living, or how would you walk-the-dog ?...What's the taxi-fare back to earth I wonder ?....

Seems like another military exercise to me, but this time paid for by private investors / home owners...

I wonder how you'd go with asking for a loan from the banks, if you walked in & gave them this reasoning for their loan services SELLC ?...LOL !

 

https://www.miragenews.com/nasa-northrop-grumman-finalize-moon-outpost-593344/



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I wonder how you'd go with asking for a loan from the banks, if you walked in & gave them this reasoning for their loan services SELLC ?...LOL !

 

https://www.miragenews.com/nasa-northrop-grumman-finalize-moon-outpost-593344/

 


 

That's pretty funny Rastus, even if it was a little below the belt. 

But that's what makes it so funny, it's true!



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How do Women menstruate in space?


With all this space talk and people spending trillions on space exploration and talking about massive space cities and moon hotels it's got me to wondering...

If there is no gravity in space, how would a woman menstruate? Seems the female vagina needs gravity to discharge it's uterin walls monthly! How would this work? Wouldn't it more or less lead to TSS (toxic shock syndrome) as the blood would just stay up there and rot?

And if they wore a space-maxi-pad, if a massive blood discharge escaped would it just float around? 

Seems to me anyone living is space might not get their redwings because it could be a bio-hazard to have all that blood and what not floating around! 

Do current female astronauts who are in space have to use some sort of pussy vacuum pants when it's that time of month? What do they do with the waste? Just send it out into space?

Same thing with sex, how would you conceive in space if the sperm just kind of floats around? Would it have to be like a direct hit?

It's these kinds of things that keep me up at night wondering.



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It begs the question, HOW THE HELL WOULD YOU GO PEE OR TAKE A CRAP?



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RE: Billionaire Space Race Madness Overlooks Environmental Cost?


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I don't doubt Rastus' zero point energy claims, but I'd much rather see details of that, than Stan's steam engine.


 

Ask, & thou shall receive !

And this was delivered to Congress & the POTUS...

 

 

 



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I've heard of zero point energy, and it would be the holy grail if it could be implemented. My only question is, if the man who wrote that letter to Congress and the President is being prevented from developing this by our government, then why doesn't he just take his research to a more open minded country and develop it there?



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In order to convince my bankers that my "Stellar" space loan is viable I am posting this video of how much fun vacationers will have on their trips to the moon and beyond.

Now if that doesn't sound fun I don't know what to tell you!

And for all you aspiring lady Astronauts out there wondering about their periods in space,

So in closing, I think it's really disrespectful to "Real Astronauts" when people like Branson, Bezo's and soon to be Musk scratch the surface of space for a few minutes, collect their NASA Astronaut wings and get back home in time for dinner and a proper shit with gravity!

But yet the banks and investors keep loaning for this stuff! Has to come a cooling point soon, or at least they run out of money for awhile! 

Meanwhile us surface dwellers can get bent on business loans.

If you were wondering about "sex" in space, well the truth is nobody has admitted to having sex in space yet! Also, no babies have been conceived or born in space as of todays date according to Google. Some speculate that it may not even be possible using the conventional method, but I am willing to pee and poop in a vacuum if they want volunteers!  



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I highly recommend the Amazon series The Expanse. It takes place a couple hundred years in the future. At this point, Mars has been colonized with a few hundred million people, including our best scientists and they are in a cold war with Earth for their independence, and Mars has the only (space) navy that could conceivably be a match for that of Earth. But Earth and Mars aren't the only places where humans can be found. The asteroid belt is full of human settlements full of laborers -poor people who have spent generations working/mining in the belt and as such, their bodies can't even handle the gravity found on Earth, or even the lighter gravity of Mars. And the belters hate their Martian and Earth oppressors, but really have no recourse because they are dependent on Earth, and to a lesser extent Mars for food.

A Belter, a Martian, and an Earther walk into a bar. The bartender asks the belter what he wants to drink. The belter replies, "I'll take the best Martian whisky you have, because to drink like my enemy is to know my enemy". Then the bartender asks the Martian what he wants, and the Martian says "I'll take the finest Earth tequila you have, because to drink like my enemy is to know my enemy. Then the bartender asks the Earther what he wants, and he says "I'll take the best drink the belt has to offer, because I'm trying to drink less and everything they make is disgusting".



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PowerStroker wrote:

I've heard of zero point energy, and it would be the holy grail if it could be implemented. My only question is, if the man who wrote that letter to Congress and the President is being prevented from developing this by our government, then why doesn't he just take his research to a more open minded country and develop it there?



-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 14th of July 2021 12:38:05 PM


 

Good question. ( Watch the film Sirius for all the answers, but... ) Dr.Greer & his team have flown all over the world to meet with folks that have claimed to have tapped-in to this energy. Some have proven to be hoaxes, some have proven to be accidental tap-ins-& can't be reproduced, & many others have been murdered & / or just disappeared.

What Dr.Greer offers is money, a safe place to work, & world-wide distribution of the technology immediately over the internet for everyone, once the device can be proven to work after a reproduction is made. It must also have no "toxins" in it for weapons use.

What he's found is that typically people are greedy, & think that going via the Patent Office, & then starting a private company is the way-too-go, but "Murder Inc." often stops the process before it can get rolling, & people just disappear.

Some folks get paid-out too, to keep their mouths shut, etc etc.

Col. Tom Bearden gives a magnificent account of what happens in this instance, as he worked with the technology for 20+ years. There's a link in the UFO thread of his account, I'll try to re-link it here for you, but I think that it's been removed from the net, because of its content. Who better to listen to than a Col in the US-of-A Army who's worked with the energy, & has seen the process & people come & go ?...

*Here you go, I found it. SELLC will like this too, as Col.Bearden explains the prcesses really well, so enjoy folks, this is really important stuff !



-- Edited by Rastus on Wednesday 14th of July 2021 08:26:09 PM

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I highly recommend the Amazon series The Expanse. It takes place a couple hundred years in the future. At this point, Mars has been colonized with a few hundred million people, including our best scientists and they are in a cold war with Earth for their independence, and Mars has the only (space) navy that could conceivably be a match for that of Earth. But Earth and Mars aren't the only places where humans can be found. The asteroid belt is full of human settlements full of laborers -poor people who have spent generations working/mining in the belt and as such, their bodies can't even handle the gravity found on Earth, or even the lighter gravity of Mars. And the belters hate their Martian and Earth oppressors, but really have no recourse because they are dependent on Earth, and to a lesser extent Mars for food.

A Belter, a Martian, and an Earther walk into a bar. The bartender asks the belter what he wants to drink. The belter replies, "I'll take the best Martian whisky you have, because to drink like my enemy is to know my enemy". Then the bartender asks the Martian what he wants, and the Martian says "I'll take the finest Earth tequila you have, because to drink like my enemy is to know my enemy. Then the bartender asks the Earther what he wants, and he says "I'll take the best drink the belt has to offer, because I'm trying to drink less and everything they make is disgusting".

 


 

Great... Now I am going to have to watch another series just to get that joke! LOL

Lucky for me I simpily refuse to watch anything made by Amazon, in fact I have only used Amazon MAYBE two or three times in my life and both were early days before anyone even heard of Jeff Bezos. In fact, one of my goals in life in addition to procreating with Melissa Stetten, is to win Jeff Bezos' lucky boots in a lucky hand of poker so I can auction them off on eBay! LOL

But seriously, I have been burning the candle at both ends over here... sleeping schedule is a little out of whack but at least business isn't slow anymore.



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Ole' poon hound Bezos recently made his first trip into space and broke Richard Bransons record... he even wore his lucky boots as I had suspected! 

A lot of people feel about the same, it's just the rich who can afford it and this just seems like wasteful bragging rights for the rich... even the FAA agrees as they are in the process of changing the requirements to be offically an "Astronaut".

But I am sure for Bezos has a lot to be proud of, but he can not deny that he has risen as far as he can go and now it may be time for him and Amazon to come back down to earth. 

Guy has so much money packed away its hard to imagine he will fall down into anything other than an ocean of money but you have to wonder... How many illegitimate kids you think Bill Gates has running around in Africa? 



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Yes...A lot of that money could be used to care for, feed & educate the needy...

But it's not ours to choose what to do with it.

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That is true... that is why I said Bezos should enjoy his accomplishment because I don't see him rising any higher from this point... like Elon Musk and DOGE coin after SNL.



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That is true... that is why I said Bezos should enjoy his accomplishment because I don't see him rising any higher from this point... like Elon Musk and DOGE coin after SNL.


 

Well that is one thing about Jeff Bezos... once you think he has reached his peak, along comes some other jaw dropping move.

SEATTLE (Reuters) -Fresh off his trip to space, billionaire businessman Jeff Bezos on Monday offered to cover up to $2 billion in NASA costs if the U.S. space agency awards his company Blue Origin a contract to make a spacecraft designed to land astronauts back on the moon.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bezos-offers-nasa-2-billion-183027528.html

Dude is determined to be a real astronaut. 



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Most rockets used to leave Earth's gravity are powered by liquid hydrogen. The emission created by burning hydrogen is water vapor, which is why we really need to move toward a hydrogen economy and phase out fossil fuels. The production of the liquid hydrogen isn't carbon neutral, but in this case, a big fire doesn't indicate big pollution.

There is also a bigger picture to look at, which is Earth won't be able to support this much human life indefinitely. It is therefore necessary to develop the technology to colonize space, and the development of this technology will no doubt cause some emissions that hurt our planet even more than we already have.

The alternative would be mandatory sterilization of conservatives.


 

Ummm... I think you got some splain'n to do here PowerStroker!

Seems these rockets ARE NOT powered by liquid hydrogen, but rather liquid methane! Said liquid methane contributes to 20% of the global warming pollution on this planet according to the EPA!

So it would seem that the big picture here is you haven't a clue, AND that Earth is the ONLY planet that can support life currently and for the foreseable future. To waste money trying to change the atmosphere on another planet is just another dumb liberal distraction because if they can't even fix the already life supporting atmosphere on this planet, I don't have much faith in them doing it on Mars or any other planet in our solor system.

It would seem the alternative in this case is your edification.

 

Elon Musk says 'do not worry too much' about methane, the gas used in SpaceX rocket fuel that accounts for 20% of global greenhouse emissions

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-says-not-worry-200126959.html



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Some rockets use methane rather than hydrogen sure. Unburned methane is a horrible greenhouse gas. Burning methane produces mostly water vapor as a byproduct, though there is also some Co2 generated by burning it.

So as long as the rocket doesn't tip over and spill out a bunch of unburned methane it's not so bad.

The real fear about methane is the enormous amount of it that lies in a frozen state at the bottom of the ocean. If the planet is allowed to warm too much, it will not stay there, but rather bubble up and reach the atmosphere which will cause absolutely uncontrolled and ever accelearting warming of the planet, thus releasing more and more of the frozen methane to the atmosphere which will result in ending civilization as we know it. What humans are left will live in an apocolyptic world not unlike what was depicted in the 3rd Mad Max movie.

This is one of the reasons the Biden infrastructure proposal includes investments to combat climate change, because if we fail to invest now, we will reach a point in our lifetimes in which no amount of investment can reverse the inevitable.



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This is one of the reasons the Biden infrastructure proposal includes investments to combat climate change, because if we fail to invest now, we will reach a point in our lifetimes in which no amount of investment can reverse the inevitable.

 


 

I hate to be the one to break this to you kid, but at NO TIME IN YOUR LIFE, or anyone elses for that matter, has an investment by man been enough to stop the inevitable.

I say the only methane polution going around here is coming out of your mouth! I'm not paying for your parties silly BS dreams of grander! They aren't The Almighty! They can't even pass a budget! 

YOU PAY FOR IT!

And FYI, I think the Russians are already sucking that methane off the ocean floor and selling it to Europe... prolly delivering it by way of that pipeline that Biden green lit in Germany, while he halted ours. 

Soon as you guys run out of other peoples money you will realize this... China isn't trippling it's current coal mining efforts because they plan on paying for your stupidity. They already bought some new Hunter Biden artwork and don't have to worry about rules for a few more years.



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Well said PowerStroker.

(Yes, the Mad Max movies offer a sure glimpse as to what society may turn into if left unchanged at the moment. The 3rd-film is watchable, but I reckon the 1st two movies have much more credo...Apparently the 4th film is reasonable, but I've yet to see it)...

At least the nuke industry is dying-off...No nukes is good nukes ;) ! (I'd rather deal with methane than nuclear shyte, though nether should be tolerated).



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Because sending William Shatner to space was vital to science... acording to George Takei who says they wanted to study the effects of space travel on a 90 year old man.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-trek-george-takei-william-shatner-feud-space-185536441.html

I guess he's jealous of the Capitan... LOL Beam him up Scotty! 



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Well...Let him have his fun I suppose !

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Well...Let him have his fun I suppose !


 

Sure... let's let him have his fun so in the next thread I can listen to you whine and cry about climate change and how we're not doing enough and should be paying more!

Talk about well said, your hypocrisy has also been well received. 

Fuck William Shatner... Dude was doing informercials for priceline.com for gawds sake! 

He was no Jean-Luc Picard!



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SELLC wrote:
Rastus wrote:

Well...Let him have his fun I suppose !


 

Sure... let's let him have his fun so in the next thread I can listen to you whine and cry about climate change and how we're not doing enough and should be paying more!

Talk about well said, your hypocrisy has also been well received. 

Fuck William Shatner... Dude was doing informercials for priceline.com for gawds sake! 

He was no Jean-Luc Picard!


 

LOL !!! He's 90-years-old, so I figured if he wants to go for a short trip into outer-space, let him go !!! And I've always been in the position of that if "it" comes from the earth, let it return to the earth, meaning that if fuel / gasoline for example, is more-or-less a natural product from the earth, it returns back to the earth in a natural way, but there's a limit too, a balance point that you have to watch, as you need trees & "weed" for instance, to help convert the pollution made back into natural products.

Remember that for every 1.0 liter of fuel burned, ( apart from the pollution made ), you make also around 1.5 liters of water...

Nuclear "stuff" is not natural, & has NO way of naturally returning into harmless by-product...This is why I hate it, as it kills everything it comes into contact with.

Now-days, with the revelations of the "free-energy" & gravity-control that have proven to be black-shelved by Corporations for decades, means that our politicians have let us down BIG-TIME, & have some serious shyte to clean-up !!!



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Well I was just trying to point out the fact that EVERYONE should be able to "have their fun" and not feel bad...

Not just the rich and famous.



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