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WORLD WAR III ?


What do you think?

So far with the most recent invasion of Ukraine we have the entire world picking sides... We got the USA, EU and NATO coming together and we got Xi, Russia and Fat Kim making packs like the rats they are.

Have we entered what many would describe as WWIII already?



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I mean, even if the USA wasn't directly involved, what if Russia and China were both at war? Both of them trying to take back land they claim has always been theirs?

Wouldn't that constitute a "World War?"

Even if the USA, NATO and the EU didn't get involved... although is that even possible? That everyone would just sit back and let that happen? I guess that is the million dollar question...

And if everyone did mind their own business and let Russia take Ukraine and China take Taiwan, would that be the end of it? Or just the beginning? We all know what happens when an animal gets a taste for blood.



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Careful SELLC...Respectfully, don't let your thoughts hyperventilate...

There might be a war, & it may escalate, but no one wins a nuclear war, since everyone dies...

We all got nuked, & are still being nuked by Fukushima, Chernobyl, & Three Mile Island, plus many other accidents, that have occurred, & the fact that every nuke-plant in operation nukes-us all at least once a year when they "vent" for inspections...

This means a nuclear war is really no big deal, since it's already happened via nuke-plant accidents, which are thousands of times worse than any nuke warhead being dropped somewhere.

Also, & more importantly however, "should" we go to Defcon 1, our ET friends will do what they can to stop complete extinction of the globe, by interception of as many missiles as possible, though they can't stop them all.

I guess that most folks will laugh about what I just said, but listen to this short & most excellent interview from Col. Ros Dedrickson...His words are more important now than ever ;) !



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Careful SELLC...Respectfully, don't let your thoughts hyperventilate...

There might be a war, & it may escalate, but no one wins a nuclear war, since everyone dies...


 

That's not true Rastus... not everyone will die... I have heard that Australia is one place that is considered to be "safe" from fall out should a nuclear war break out... something about it's placement and the jet stream... I've always heard this from people.

I'd also like to say that these are not my thoughts hyperventilating, these are actual events that are coming to pass as we type!

Taking a look over everything, where it's the world against Russia, and we have China and North Korea publicly making a pact, while NK launches some ICBM's right after the announcement. 

And then of course, we have your idol recently saying this

 

Trump warns 'world war' could be next as Russia continues invasion in Ukraine

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-world-war-russia-invasion-ukraine

 

With regards to our ET friends... well, they missed the mark in WWI and WWII... because here we are, WWIII!



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1 .That's not true Rastus... Not everyone will die... I have heard that Australia is one place that is considered to be "safe" from fall out should a nuclear war break out... Something about it's placement and the jet stream... I've always heard this from people.

 2. With regards to our ET friends... well, they missed the mark in WWI and WWII... because here we are, WWIII!


 

R1. LOL ! What you've heard is a story-line in a book about a nuclear war & how Australia is the last to get the fall-out.... I'm getting 18.43 Counts per Minute on my Geiger Counter as we speak...It's risen an easy 1.5 cpm from Fukushima alone in the last 18-months or so since I bought it...

R2. Our ET friends activity here has increased since WW-II, since we entered the atomic age, that's why there's been so many sighting in the US-of-A near nuclear installations of all sorts.

 

Furthermore, here's a link to another Dr.Greer interview that's already been posted in the John Warner IV thread, with Mr.Eric J Hecker...And its purpose was the disclosure of an Antarctica based weapons installation that was then ran by Raytheon, & his duties there...He believes that the installation was the likely cause of the NZ Christchurch earthquake a few years ago, when they first fired another part of the installation up for testing, & had a major "whoopsey"...We're talking high-energy-directional-weapons here, that leave nukes-for-dead...

* What they did was steam-drilled over 2-km's through the ice, to near terra-firma, at points at the apexes of a hexagon, that's parallels were km's apart...They then lowered great numbers of DOM's ( Digital Optical Modules ) down each hole, & wired them all together, that then operate at Very High Voltages...These DOM's sense ( among many other things ) the neutrino-bursts that occur whenever an ET craft enters our atmosphere, & can sense up-to 25-miles into the earths crust. This information is then transferred to satellites for triangulation purposes, so that they can then down the ET craft via the use of illegal weapons in space, among other things. ELF ( Extra Low Frequency ) detection is also available for the detection & movement of nuclear submarines etc etc. They use Antarctica for the pure water content, as any neutrino burst flashes-up a bright blue color, as a muon...

Check it out...It takes a minute or so to get going, so be patient...( The point being here is proof of weapon-systems in service that are far grater than anything nuclear )...



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I was unable to wrap my head around this last night, but today it makes a lot more sense. I have yet to watch the video yet, however from what you have said, I too have always thought they must have some kind of directed energy "laser" if you will... The ability to tag a person from outer space, and then like cooking an ant under a magnifying glass, just vaporize a person. 

While this is all interesting, the fact remains that the USA and many others around the world are about to give aid to Ukraine, which Russia claims will have consequences the likes that none of us have ever seen before. Russia has also lowered it's version of our "DEFCON" to what we would call DEFCON 2...

We can all act like Putin didn't just invade it's neighbor... we can even cut Russia off from the rest of the world while we supply Ukraine with weapons and money to kill the Russians... HOWEVER, we HAVE TO come to grips with the REALITY that there is no steping back from something like this for Putin! He is 70 years old and I have always said letting people cling to power too long is a BAD-BAD idea because now Putin want's to leave a legacy... It would be foolish to think that Putin wouldn't want to go out guns (or in this case nukes) blazing! Putin wants Ukraine, I highly doubt any deal can be hammered out now that the Russians have the Ukrainian capital surrounded. It's just more of his BS posturing.

Even if Putin was given a path out of this mess, like nothing happend - he still wouldn't take it. I think we need to seriously consider what is going to be done once he launches a nuke. And that will be WWIII right there, any way you slice it...

He attacked Ukraine without provocation, and once them bullets and bombs start showing up to Ukraine he's going to have to make good on his threats or look like a bitch. 

Do you see it any other way?



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It's nothing but a media-hype that's gone out-of-control.

The "Transnational Cabal" won't allow a WW-III I'd suggest, & they'd do whatever they had to stop anyone that's "gone off the reservation", & that means Putin too.

You must remember that neither the US-of-A or Russia control the world.

And it's very likely that Russia has High-Energy-Directional-Weapons too. And these are more like "Microwave intensifying systems" than laser systems...Think 5G multiplied by 1,000, & you have something that will bounce into the earth & its crust, that then  in effect an earthquake.

The Dr.Greer films are great for the honesty revealed by the witnesses, that prove these weapons exist, because they've worked on them !

You have nothing to worry about imo.



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If Putin invaded a NATO country, then it would be WW3 because we would be obligated to enter a shooting war with them. Since Ukraine is not a NATO member, we can avoid getting directly involved. Hopefully Putin will be smart enough to withdraw before the sanctions hurt the innocent Russian people too much.

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Something tells me the 40 mile long convoy of Russian troops in route to Kiev indicates Putin has no plans on withdraw, and I'm pretty sure they fully intend to hurt any innocent Russian that would challenge their dick-tator.



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Yeah, that convoy has me worried too. And it seems Putin doesn't give a rats ass how bad it gets for the average Russian citizen during any of this.

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I'm pretty sure that Stalin back-in-the-day murdered over 60-million of his own country-men & women with no remorse...

Mother Russia has had some hard-core "nuts", that's for sure...

I'll wager that negotiations in the short-term will reopen the Russian economy, whilst they also remain occupying the Ukraine for the next 20+ years or so.

I'd rather have Russians in there protecting the Nuke-plants than have the chance of some Neo-Nazi *uck-wit having a crack at starting Chernobyl-II..

RIP all the innocent people murdered via this madness.

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At what point were Neo-Nazis ever a risk of taking over Ukraine? That is just propaganda from Putin. Ukraine is a democracy, and thier president is Jewish.

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At what point were Neo-Nazis ever a risk of taking over Ukraine? That is just propaganda from Putin. Ukraine is a democracy, and their president is Jewish.


 

I don't think that the Neo-Nazi's were ever going to take the country over, but they were training-up "everyone" in war-skills & weaponry use...The fist place that Putin secured was Chernobyl, so that to me indicates nuclear concerns...

Anyhow, here's a  perfect short write-up from "No more Fake News", that's perfect for this forum, & opens-up a lot of possibilities...Check-it-out, as it may-well be a crystal ball prediction...It will drop your jaw at the least at some-point lol !

 

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/03/02/real-war-vs-phony-war-turn-on-the-news-bubble-machine/



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On average, how long do World Wars last? I understand there is no rules or timelines when it comes to war, but how long did WWI and WWII last?



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WW-I = 1914 to 1918

WW-II= 1939 to 1945

And the US-of-A's military industrial complex has kept itself busy with wars ever since WW-II ended...Korea, Vietnam, Middle East, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, & on & on & on...

Here's yet another incredible write-up from No More Fake News...Check it out yo ;) !


blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/03/03/putin-launched-the-first-war-in-history-there-was-never-a-war-before/

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The person who wrote that article is a flake...

Yes, Putin is the FIRST person since WWIII to invade a country with the intentions of taking it over for keeps.

Thanks for the info on the dates and durations of the past world wars! It helps... 

In none of the wars you mentioned has the USA ever invaded with the intentions of taking over or even annexing a small portion of their land! Do you not agree?



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The US-of-A ( & the UK ) are a most cunning bunch of *unts as far as invading a country goes...

Look at how your native American people have been treated !!! That's how it used to be done...( And our Aborigines too )...

Now-days, people called "Jackals" are assigned to corrupt the desired political infrastructure of a country, namely by bribing its politicians...And if that fails, further attempts are made by others, & if that fails, typically murder via coup-de-tat is initiated, & the hand-selected puppet placed in power, ensuring that the countries land & resources are made available for the exploitation of the US-of-A...It's called Foreign Policy, as the success of the central Americas proved through the 1980's...And other ventures too in say Argentina, Venesuela etc etc...

Don't worry SELLC...Here in Australia, we bribe the local Aboriginal folks with money to go and mine their sacred lands for oil & minerals, shyte, we even give them high-paying-jobs to do so ;) ! Just ask the Chevron people !!!

And just take a look at Myanmar at present, where Chevron ( & others ) have been bank-rolling the Myanmar military for years, in a successful effort of genocide, to keep the oil & gems freely & cheaply flowing...

But shhhh, don't let anyone know...

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Look, I don't see how digging up Native American past has any bearing on this issue... it wasn't the Native Americans who built this country and established laws that currently serve to protect and enrich them. I respect the indigenous culture but I wasn't just given my little tiny crumb of land! I had to buy it and work every day to pay for it and paying taxes. So the idea the people who lived on the lands for free before we got here somehow makes them entitled to it ALL is a non-starter for me.

What people pay other people to do is their business... are people being extorted? Every day! You been to the gas pump latlely, pal? lol



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And the Fox News War Drum beats on...

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Propaganda imo.

No doubt folks at ground level are in "dire straights", but calling WW-III is even crazier than Putin's moves.

WW-III would be over within about 1/2-hour if it ever happened.

There's a lot that's not been brought-out into the open here...Once again, we have the who, what & when, but no why...( Well a couple of "why's" that justify Putin's moves, but they don't warrant WW-III ).

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There's a lot that's not been brought-out into the open here...Once again, we have the who, what & when, but no why...( Well a couple of "why's" that justify Putin's moves, but they don't warrant WW-III ).


 

What moves was Putin justified in taking again Rastus? Few threads ago you were crying about women and children... now Hilter, er... I mean Putin is justified in his killings?



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Your POTUS openly gave intelligence information to China recently...

China then passed this information on to Putin...

And now we have this mess ;) !

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No I'm affraid China just showed it's hand... that "little" wager Biden made early on will save us a lot later down the road when China starts to buckle carrying Russia and all their own bullshit programs!

The world is watching Rastus... hope the Russians know how to eat oil, because that's all they're going to have soon when that gets cut off next!



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Look, I'm gonna be honest... After COVID and now WWIII, I'm just gonna say "Bring that shit or shut the fuck up"...

I mean, really... you want some? Come get some!

If the Russians want to kill themselves, that's fine! Don't mean we have to support it! 

Stupid bastards...



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LOL !!!

The Russians have now eliminated The New World Order & their plans...Including a Centralized Banking Cartel System...

This is not-so-bad, & what the US-of-A needs to do, so that your country rules itself, & not via a Banking Cartel that messes with your economy & pope al-the-time :) !

Since 1913, The US-of-A has been working for the Banks ;) !

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The Russians have not eliminated anything except put their own people thru hell... if anything Putin is trying to start his own New World Order, and if India, China and Europe want to be part of Putin's NWO then there is not much we can do about it, except to cut them off and stop dealing with them, which is already in process.

I think the suggestion that a civilized society could somehow operate without a banking system just sounds like fantasy thinking. 

Living off the grid usually means out in no-mans land in the woods like an animal. That's cool and all, but it's not for me... I go camping when I get them urges.

 



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You're missing the point SELLC...

Putin doesn't want to be part of OUR New World Order...( read AUKUS / 5-EYES )....

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I get that Rastus...

So what do we do? Just sit back and let them kill themselves? Give aid to the under-dog and pretend we don't know Ukraine would turn back Russian if not for something as simple as a change of leadership?

I'm just totally amazed this Zelenskyy guy has not been captured or killed... I'm starting to wonder if Russia just isn't competent enough to take him out, or if he is just a ghost broadcasting from a green room to stir the pot...

I Putin's end game is nukes, then I guess we may very well have a situation where if Putin was replaced with a pro-Western President then it would take care of two birds with one stone...

I'd much rather see Putin go than a nuclear World War III... The USA rotates out our leader every eight years, no exceptions since FDR... every four years if the person turns out to be a douche bag.

What does Putin actually think he will accomplish in Ukraine? He may be able to devistate it, but he will never be able to hold it...

Putin strikes me as the kind of guy who would nuke the world if he started to lose... many are worried that already he's falling apart! And let's be honest, after 14 days I don't see much progress in Ukraine.  



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I get that Rastus...

1.So what do we do? Just sit back and let them kill themselves? Give aid to the under-dog and pretend we don't know Ukraine would turn back Russian if not for something as simple as a change of leadership?

2.I'm just totally amazed this Zelenskyy guy has not been captured or killed... I'm starting to wonder if Russia just isn't competent enough to take him out, or if he is just a ghost broadcasting from a green room to stir the pot...

3.I Putin's end game is nukes, then I guess we may very well have a situation where if Putin was replaced with a pro-Western President then it would take care of two birds with one stone...

4.I'd much rather see Putin go than a nuclear World War III... The USA rotates out our leader every eight years, no exceptions since FDR... every four years if the person turns out to be a douche bag.

5.What does Putin actually think he will accomplish in Ukraine? He may be able to devistate it, but he will never be able to hold it...

6.Putin strikes me as the kind of guy who would nuke the world if he started to lose... many are worried that already he's falling apart! And let's be honest, after 14 days I don't see much progress in Ukraine.  


 

R1. Well...It's tricky to answer, simply because as "Aukus" / "5-Eyes" lol, we've declared our selves a s a unite bunch of warmongers, & intelligence gathering operative nations, who's clearly printed goals in the 1992 DoD forcast for the new millennia, & after the fall of the USSR, is to increase military spending to ensure complete World Dominance...In other words, we're the Bad guys now...

So in virtue of this fact, Russia has very-much acted defensively, & claimed back what it already has considered a centuries-old annexation, before we claim it as a bogus Western free-world nation, & sit US-of-A nuclear missiles within the Ukraine.

R2.  A necessary media screenplay actor. ( They all are )...

R3. The country is already heavily nuked by Chernobyl fall-out...I'd suggest that he's stopped the potential for even more nuclear shyte to be disbursed.

R4. There won't be a nuclear war... That time passed in 1963, when the USSR deployed nuclear missiles into Cuba...After a US-of-A spy-plane was shot down in Russia, when Mr.Eisenhower said that there were none...

R5. See answer R1. paragraph 2.

R6. He's a smart man imo. If he's genuine here, & is actually saying "F*** you" to the cabal, New World Order, & the BANKS, I wish him well !!! I'd rather have the world balanced-out with at least 2 x Super Powers, than dominated by us...Absolute power corrupts absolutely...



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People like you suggesting Putin is a "smart man" just want to see him get his ass kicked... but you're too scared to say it! Pussy is the word I'm looking for...

And FYI- closing your countries stock market, removing your citizens from the outside world and invading your neighbor are not smart moves... 

Putin just had his oil cut off... next it's his testicles!

I encourage him to keep it up! Even for China to join in! Star Wars isn't just a movie and the odds are that when the pressure REALLY starts to mount for these dictators, and they have nothing left of worth to sell to the devil, their own people will eat them.

You can quote me on that too!

 



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SELLC...

Recent history in the 1990's saw all the surrounding NATO countries of Russia, sign treaties agreeing to NOT stock any nuke-missiles etc etc...

And guess what these countries have done ???.......They've stocked themselves with US-of-A nuclear missiles....

So it seems that Russia is now like the US-of-A was in 1963, when Russian Nuclear missiles were stored & aimed at the US-of-A from Cuba...

Clean out the big swamp...

Get into CE5 folks & leave these people behind...

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Around here when people make bold ridiculous claims like you're doing we like to see some supporting links from credible news desks.

Maybe Russia needs to shell the remaning 13 reactors that he hasn't already? 

Give me a break, Russian propaganda.



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1.Around here when people make bold ridiculous claims like you're doing we like to see some supporting links from credible news desks.

2.Maybe Russia needs to shell the remaning 13 reactors that he hasn't already? 

Give me a break, Russian propaganda.


 

R1. WTF ???!!! Everyone knows about the 1963 Cuban Missile Crisis SELLC...( Well maybe not everyone it seems )...

R2. I'd suggest that Russia is protecting these 15 reactors & Chernobyl from this warfare...

R3. It's the US-of-A war-mongers & the European Nato countries that broke their pledges that is the cause of this current mess, & it's about time they took some responsibilty for their idiotic actions...

But all's fair in war & arms deals...



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I must have missed that 1990's part... I didn't realize you were going back to the Cuban Missile Crisis. 

But still... the war mongers are Russia... The USA isn't currently invading anyone... RUSSIA IS!



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And guess what these countries have done ???.......They've stocked themselves with US-of-A nuclear missiles....


 

This is what I'm talking about here... WHO has stocked themselves with USA nukes? 



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Here you go...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

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And for those who can't or don't know how to look stuff up, or find things out for themselves, or are simply too stoned or incapacitated to do so, here you go lol !

NATO...( I'm sure I've posted this somewhere before )...

North Atlantic Treaty Organization

I INTRODUCTION

North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), also known as Organisation du Traite de lAtlantique Nord (OTAN), regional defence alliance, formed under Article 9 of the North Atlantic Treaty signed on April 4, 1949. The original signatories were Belgium, the United Kingdom, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, and the United States. Greece and Turkey were admitted to the alliance in 1952, West Germany in 1955, and Spain in 1982. NATOs original purpose was to enhance the stability, well-being, and freedom of its members by means of a system of collective security. In 1990 the newly unified Germany replaced West Germany as a NATO member. In March 1999 the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland formally joined NATO, marking the first admission of former Communist states of the old Soviet bloc to NATO. Whether or not NATO should continue to expand into former Soviet-controlled areas remains a controversial question. Another debate in NATO in the aftermath of the Cold War concerns to what extent it should convert itself from a purely defensive arrangement for its members own territory into a peacekeeping organization prepared to intervene elsewhere, as it has in the former Yugoslavia.

II BACKGROUND

In the years after World War II, many Western leaders saw the policies of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) as threatening the stability and peace of Europe. The forcible installation of Communist governments throughout Eastern Europe, territorial expansion by the USSR, and its support of guerrilla war in Greece and regional separatism in Iran, appeared to many as the first steps in new aggression that might lead to another world war. Subsequent events, including deterioration of the situation in Greece and the near collapse of war-devastated European economies during the winter of 1946-1947, led the United States to two important initiatives: the European Economic Recovery Program, or Marshall Plan, which the Eastern Europeans rejected under Soviet compulsion; and the enunciation of the Truman Doctrine. This, although directed at the situation in Greece and Turkey, contained a generalized pledge to help any nation defending its freedom and democracy. Led by the United Kingdom and its foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin, Western European countries hastened to seize this opportunity and formed the Western Union defensive alliance by the Brussels Treaty of 1948. This willingness to stand together and the Soviet-instigated Blockade of Berlin, which began in March 1948, stimulated negotiations that culminated in the North Atlantic Treaty of Washington in April 1949.

III TREATY PROVISIONS

The treaty consists of a preamble and 14 articles. The preamble states its purpose: to promote the common values of its members and to unite their efforts for collective defence. Article 1 calls for peaceful resolution of disputes. Article 2 pledges the parties to economic and political cooperation. Article 3 calls for development of the capacity for defence. Article 4 provides for joint consultations when a member is threatened. Article 5 promises mutual assistance, possibly but not necessarily including the use of the members armed forces for collective self-defence. This conditional language pays deference to the constitutional prerogatives of the US Congress in particular. Article 6 defines the areas covered by the treaty. Article 7 affirms the precedence of members obligations under the United Nations Charter. Article 8 safeguards against conflict with any other treaties of the signatories. Article 9 creates a council to oversee implementation of the treaty. Article 10 describes admission procedures for other nations. Article 11 states the ratification procedure. Article 12 allows for reconsideration of the treaty. Article 13 outlines withdrawal procedures. Article 14 calls for the deposition of the official copies of the treaty in the United States Archives.

IV STRUCTURE

The highest authority within NATO is the North Atlantic Council, which is composed of ministers who are represented in permanent session by ambassadors, and is chaired by a Secretary-General. It is responsible for general policy, budgetary outlines, and administrative actions. Subordinate to the council are the Secretariat, various temporary committees, and the Military Committee. The Secretary-General runs the Secretariat, which handles all the non-military functions of the alliance. The temporary committees deal with specific assignments of the council. The Military Committee consists of the chiefs of staff of the various armed forces; it meets twice a year. Between such meetings, the Military Committee, in permanent session with representatives of the members, defines military policies. Below the Military Committee are the various geographical commands. These have been streamlined since the Cold War, the main ones being the Supreme Commander Europe (SACEUR), the Supreme Commander Atlantic (SACLANT), and two regional commanders, for Northern and Southern Europe. The supreme commanders have always been American to symbolize the United States commitment. In the late 1990s the Deputy SACEUR, who is always European, assumed a new role as the potential commander of operations in which the United States might not take part.

V HISTORY

Until 1950 NATO consisted primarily of a pledge by the United States to aid members under the terms of Article 5 of the treaty, and there was no standing military organization for implementation of this pledge. The outbreak of the Korean War in June 1950 convinced the allies that the USSR might act against a divided Germany. The result was not only the creation of a military command system, but also the expansion of the organization. In 1952 Greece and Turkey joined the alliance, and in 1955 West Germany was accepted under a complicated arrangement whereby it would not be allowed to manufacture nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons. In its first decade NATO was mainly a military organization dominated by US power, which provided a security blanket for the revival of Europes economy and polity.

Soviet achievement of parity in nuclear weaponry with the United States resulted in concern among Europeans that the United States would not honour its pledge of joint defence if the price were to be the devastation of American territory. The 1960s were characterized by two consequent developments in NATO: the withdrawal in 1966 of France, under President Charles de Gaulle, from the organization but not from the alliance, and attempts to provide mutual confidence between the remaining members of the integrated military organization. A major element in this was the institution of a Nuclear Planning Group in which the Americans and other allies sought a common understanding of a strategy that was now more explicitly based on nuclear deterrence.

The 1970s and 1980s involved NATO in a complicated balancing act between confrontation and détente with an increasingly erratic USSR. The European partners became anxious when Soviet-American relations deteriorated, for fear of a possible war, and became anxious again when Soviet-American relations improved, for fear that the Americans would sacrifice European interests to maintain close ties with the USSR. In the 1980s relations became particularly tense when the USSR tried to undermine European confidence by deploying a large number of an intermediate-range nuclear missile, the SS20, which could devastate Europe but posed no direct threat to the United States. This drew attention to the possibility of a nuclear war in which Europe was destroyed but the Soviet Union and the United States remained intact; this was the contingency President de Gaulle had earlier warned against.

The US response was to deploy a number of intermediate missiles of its own: the Ground Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM) and the ballistic Pershing II. This apparent outbreak of a new arms race proved intensely controversial in Europe but the crisis was averted when the USSR, probably impelled by increasing realization that it could not afford the strain of a continuing contest in military procurement with the United States, agreed to a so-called double zero disarmament treaty, the Intermediate Nuclear Forces (INF) agreement of 1987, whereby all weapons of this kind were to be removed and destroyed by both sides, (see Arms Control and Disarmament). The INF treaty presaged the breakdown of the Warsaw Pact and the decade ended with the apparent success of NATO in surmounting the challenge of the Communist bloc.

The end of the Cold War and the disintegration of the USSR brought new challenges for NATO. Russia had not unreasonably expected NATO to follow the Warsaw Pact into dissolution once the East-West confrontation was over and Germany united. Instead the Western powers kept the alliance in being, though giving informal pledges that they saw no need to introduce nuclear weapons or permanently stationed forces of other allies on former East German soil.

The former East European members of the Warsaw Pact, particularly Poland, were now anxious to join NATO as a safeguard against any future Russian aggression. Russia itself, meanwhile, opposed any extension of NATO into Central and Eastern Europe, viewing the maintenance of NATO, let alone its steady extension towards their territory, as an unfriendly act. Russia feels particularly sensitive about the case of the Baltic States, which were recently, as a result of Soviet conquest, part of the USSR itself and not merely nominally sovereign members of the Warsaw Pact.

Russia is equally concerned about the gradual transformation of NATO from a defensive alliance into an organization willing to intervene militarily under the banner of peacekeeping into areas beyond the borders of its members and, as a result, in areas often close to traditional spheres of Russian interest, notably in former Yugoslavia but also, if without military action, in the Caucasus.

In the Yugoslav case NATO has done much to try to involve Russia as a partner, but although some Russian forces have participated, Russia has been kept away from policy decisions and remains suspicious.

The admission of the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland as full members of NATO in 1999 marked a considerable diplomatic defeat for Russia, especially when NATO announced an open-door policy towards a queue of other nations lining up to join. NATOs criteria for entry entail commitments to democracy and peaceful behaviour, and a modicum of military capability, on the principle that new members should strengthen and not weaken the alliance, but there is no explicit geopolitical limit to membership.

NATO has tried to further its interest in a stable Europe while also placating Russia by establishing halfway houses to membership in which Russia itself is invited to participate. Thus the North Atlantic Cooperation Council, formed in 1991 and subsequently converted in 1994 into the European-Atlantic Partnership Council, allows Russia and others as far afield as Kazakhstan (because it is a former part of the USSR) to consult on security issues. The same is true of the parallel Partnership for Peace that provides for permanent liaison missions for members at NATO headquarters and for participation on an ad hoc basis in peacekeeping operations. To further placate Russia and recognize its special importance, NATO accompanied progress towards a new Strategic Concept, agreed in April 1999, and laying much more emphasis on peacekeeping operations out of treaty area, with the signing of a Founding Act with Russia in 1997. This establishes a bilateral relationship between Russia and NATO as a whole. The Permanent Joint Council has a standing organization and there is a permanent Russian presence at NATO headquarters. NATO has, however, been careful, while promising consultation in crises, to reject any notion of needing Russian agreement to act. Such incidents as the Kosovo crisis (1998-1999), in which NATO virtually went to war with the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, a state friendly to Russia, severely strained relations despite all the cooperative machinery.

To avoid seeming to squeeze Ukraine between NATO and a Russia accorded a privileged status, NATO has also agreed a NATO-Ukraine Charter that grants Ukraine some special status of its own, though on a less intensive basis that that afforded Russia.

VI ACHIEVEMENTS

Over the years the existence of NATO and above all the years of integrated military structures and planning have led to a historically unprecedented degree of political and military confidence and integration between sovereign sates. One result has been to create an unrivalled facility for joint operations as was exemplified in the Gulf War against Iraq, and in the several Yugoslav episodes.

NATO gave a once demoralized Western Europe confidence within which it has achieved its current degree of politico-economic unity and welfare. NATO also almost certainly deterred further Soviet expansion, although it is impossible to know whether a full-scale conquest of Europe would otherwise have materialized. Certainly the peaceful unification of Germany was a remarkable achievement that is hard to imagine taking place in the absence of a sound structure of Western European solidarity.

Now, paradoxically, one of the greatest challenges facing NATO is the consequence of precisely its contribution to creating a Europe whole and free. The Western Europeans, increasingly integrated politically, are naturally turning towards a greater integration of their defence. The United States has always been ambivalent about this prospect, welcoming cooperation and the absence of strife in Europe, but nervous that a Europe united in defence might pursue unwelcome policies. Many US leaders have felt that the United States has a right to suspect too much European independence, because the history of the 20th century was one in which the United States often found itself involved in clearing up crises into which Europeans had fallen.

Much NATO diplomacy at the turn of the century has thus been about how to embrace the beginnings of European defence identity within the alliance mould. The Strategic Concept, adopted in 1999, recognizes that NATO is the only framework for collective self-defence, but that the Europeans may want to carry out peacekeeping operations in which the United States did not want to be involved. The concept adopted for such cases is that of Common Joint Task Forces (CJTF), whereby Europeans might, with US consent, draw on NATO resources (which frequently would mean such US assets as heavy airlift or satellite intelligence) to conduct operations under the European Deputy SACEUR. It will take time to discover whether this formula will work and whether the various parties will be tolerant of each others needs and preferences. But as a further stage in working out a mutually beneficial balance between United States and European security interests which are close but not identical, the challenge is one that those who founded the alliance over half a century ago would easily recognize.





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And for those who can't or don't know how to look stuff up, or find things out for themselves, or are simply too stoned or incapacitated to do so, here you go lol !




 

I'm sorry Rastus, but I'm not seeing anywhere in that wall of words anything that supports your claims that NATO nations have stocked themselves with USA nukes!

Perhaps you could highlight that non-existant part in bold letters? 

If all out WWIII was in play, then yeah... there would be NO LIMITS to what kind of arms we would stock NATO members with to fight the enemy. 



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Holy smoke...

Somewhere in here I posted a map...

Above is information regarding NATO...

And you want me to do the simple maths for you ???...

Here you go, here's a question for you SELLC....Where was Hunter Biden stationed for a few years in Europe ?....

And watch the Dr.Geer interview I posted-up for everyone in the UFO thread, as the answer is also revealed in there....In fact, all the answers to all our world problems are revealed with the Greer films, so why aren't you watching them lol ???!!!

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So in other words... you don't have any proof that NATO forces have US nukes?

Got it!

Hunter was in Ukraine for awhile... I don't know that he was "stationed" there however, but if he were it's probably classified intel anyway.

YES RASTUS, if the Axis of Evil attacks NATO then every member will probably be given nukes and anything we can send to defeat the enemy. But your suggestion that NATO members have USA nukes is unfounded and flat out false... that's not to say it couldn't change depending on who gets attacked...

I have been watching the Greer films, some are better than others... I'm looking forward to that one you posted a trailer of.... Hopefully it's as good as the trailer, and not total crap in the actual film... I know a few producers who are famous for killer trailers, while the film itself is rather boaring on the whole. 



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OK SELLC...

Why did Russia invade the Ukraine, if there wasn't any missiles being deployed closer to their borders ???...

Oh that's right, it was China passing-on a secret message from Sleepy-Joe that they shouldn't have that started this mess...

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Really? You don't know?

Russia has been trying to re-claim Ukraine for awhile now! Were these so-called missles used as an excuse to annex Crimea too? NO!

That's just some more BULLSHIT, just like Russia's most recent attempts to claim we had bio-labs in Ukraine! They are literally grasping at straws now!

We're in the 3rd week of battle now Rastus... Russia has failed and this is just turning into a humanitarian crisis because Russia lacks the ability to wage civilized warfare...

It's really gennoacide at this point... Russia's army has a kill list... in an effort to cross a name off that list it appears Russia is willing to bomb and shell an entire aparement complex, hospital, school, or even a nuke plant.

Sorry but your Pal Putin is a monster Rastus! The small change you save on your guitar tubes is really no different than the Chinese light bulbs I was got off eBay many years back... cheap crap made by slave labor, and shipped to my door on the USPS back, by way of tax payer dollars... You could always move to Ukraine or China, Rastus! There you can buy all the cheap shit you like! Until your AUS or USD money runs out... 



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Holy smoke SELLC...You sound just like a TV station news reporter LOL !

I suppose that you also know that Myanmar is now being fed money & fuel from China, ( instead of Chevron ) for the continuing extermination of the native peoples...


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1.Sorry but your Pal Putin is a monster Rastus!

2.The small change you save on your guitar tubes is really no different than the Chinese light bulbs I was got off eBay many years back... cheap crap made by slave labor, and shipped to my door on the USPS back, by way of tax payer dollars...

3.You could always move to Ukraine or China, Rastus! There you can buy all the cheap shit you like! Until your AUD or USD money runs out...
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LOL !!!

R1. He's a smart man...He's said F*** off to the New World Order, the Banking cartel, & NATO it seems, in one swift swoop.

R2. No doubt your light-bulbs were garbage...But these" Voskhod Rocket 6N2P-EV" vacuum-tubes are superior military grade tubes, guaranteed to last 5,000-hrs, or 2,500 heat cycles...This makes them better than most tubes on the market, & at least the equivalent to say a "Raytheon 5751" tube.

R3. My first vessel that I sailed-on as a qualified Engineer for 6-8-weeks, had me working with many Ukrainian people...Folks in general called them "Russians", but they weren't, they were Ukrainians, & for the most part, they were decent human beings...I wouldn't like to live there because of the nuclear fall-out, just like the US-of-A...

I wouldn't like China too much, so no to that one LOL !



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1. I'm sorry Rastus, but I'm not seeing anywhere in that wall of words anything that supports your claims that NATO nations have stocked themselves with USA nukes!

2. Perhaps you could highlight that non-existant part in bold letters? 

3. If all out WWIII was in play, then yeah... there would be NO LIMITS to what kind of arms we would stock NATO members with to fight the enemy. 


 

R1. The first paragraph of the NATO post explains the concerns with neighboring countries, & further information is available down-the-page...

R2. It's not great military strategy to let your enemy know that you're planting nuke-missiles close to its borders...In fact, it's stupid...And that's why there's likely little news-reporting on this matter lol ......But after 30-years of continued NATO lies from those countries, some facts revel themselves...And the Russians have spy satellites & all-that-shyte that the US-of-A has too.

Dr.Greer in that last video states clearly that the problem exists because of these missiles, & where they're being stored / placed, after treaties were signed that this would not happen...And you know very-well that Dr.Greer has military friends, & intelligence friends in high places, & he doesn't talk shyte !

R3. WW-III is not going to happen...If it did, it would be all-over before any TV-station could report about it anyhow...And if it did happen, we'd never know because we'd be turned to ashes before we could ask WTF ?...



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Holy smoke SELLC...You sound just like a TV station news reporter LOL !

I suppose that you also know that Myanmar is now being fed money & fuel from China, ( instead of Chevron ) for the continuing extermination of the native peoples...


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1.Sorry but your Pal Putin is a monster Rastus!

2.The small change you save on your guitar tubes is really no different than the Chinese light bulbs I was got off eBay many years back... cheap crap made by slave labor, and shipped to my door on the USPS back, by way of tax payer dollars...

3.You could always move to Ukraine or China, Rastus! There you can buy all the cheap shit you like! Until your AUD or USD money runs out...
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LOL !!!

R1. He's a smart man...He's said F*** off to the New World Order, the Banking cartel, & NATO it seems, in one swift swoop.

R2. No doubt your light-bulbs were garbage...But these" Voskhod Rocket 6N2P-EV" vacuum-tubes are superior military grade tubes, guaranteed to last 5,000-hrs, or 2,500 heat cycles...This makes them better than most tubes on the market, & at least the equivalent to say a "Raytheon 5751" tube.

R3. My first vessel that I sailed-on as a qualified Engineer for 6-8-weeks, had me working with many Ukrainian people...Folks in general called them "Russians", but they weren't, they were Ukrainians, & for the most part, they were decent human beings...I wouldn't like to live there because of the nuclear fall-out, just like the US-of-A...

I wouldn't like China too much, so no to that one LOL !

 


 

You don't have to be a TV news station reporter to know that it wasn't Putin who said "fuck-off" to the banking cartel... it was the banking cartel that told Putin to "fuck-off" after he lost his marbles and invaded Ukraine...

When it comes to amplifier tubes I'm in no position to challenge anything you say because I have never used them. I know a lot of enthusiast in the amplifier scene talk fondly of them, even going so far as to say they are unmatched by their modern digital offerings. Perhaps you could explain what all the hype is about... just the layman's version, none of that technical inside jargon that nobody knows anything about. LOL

I'm also glad you were able to bond with some Ukrainians! No doubt there are good people all over this earth! I don't blame you for not wanting to live in China or the Ukraine, however the USA is where it's at! At least for me!

 



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Holy smoke SELLC...You sound just like a TV station news reporter LOL !

I suppose that you also know that Myanmar is now being fed money & fuel from China, ( instead of Chevron ) for the continuing extermination of the native peoples...


SELLC said...
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1.Sorry but your Pal Putin is a monster Rastus!

2.The small change you save on your guitar tubes is really no different than the Chinese light bulbs I was got off eBay many years back... cheap crap made by slave labor, and shipped to my door on the USPS back, by way of tax payer dollars...

3.You could always move to Ukraine or China, Rastus! There you can buy all the cheap shit you like! Until your AUD or USD money runs out...
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LOL !!!

R1. He's a smart man...He's said F*** off to the New World Order, the Banking cartel, & NATO it seems, in one swift swoop.

R2. No doubt your light-bulbs were garbage...But these" Voskhod Rocket 6N2P-EV" vacuum-tubes are superior military grade tubes, guaranteed to last 5,000-hrs, or 2,500 heat cycles...This makes them better than most tubes on the market, & at least the equivalent to say a "Raytheon 5751" tube.

R3. My first vessel that I sailed-on as a qualified Engineer for 6-8-weeks, had me working with many Ukrainian people...Folks in general called them "Russians", but they weren't, they were Ukrainians, & for the most part, they were decent human beings...I wouldn't like to live there because of the nuclear fall-out, just like the US-of-A...

I wouldn't like China too much, so no to that one LOL !

 


 

1.You don't have to be a TV news station reporter to know that it wasn't Putin who said "fuck-off" to the banking cartel... it was the banking cartel that told Putin to "fuck-off" after he lost his marbles and invaded Ukraine...

2.When it comes to amplifier tubes I'm in no position to challenge anything you say because I have never used them. I know a lot of enthusiast in the amplifier scene talk fondly of them, even going so far as to say they are unmatched by their modern digital offerings. Perhaps you could explain what all the hype is about... just the layman's version, none of that technical inside jargon that nobody knows anything about. LOL

3.I'm also glad you were able to bond with some Ukrainians! No doubt there are good people all over this earth! I don't blame you for not wanting to live in China or the Ukraine, however the USA is where it's at! At least for me!

 


 

LOL !

R1. All I know is that all-of-this could have been avoided, & imo, it's just an easy stunt to pull so that "we all" start spending more $$$ on military needs...In other words, lets keep feeding the Military Industrial Corporate Complex even more $$$...

R2. I've written this up in my music thread, so I'll just cut & paste...

That is a really hard one to answer SELLC...

In the world of electric-guitar, a tube-amp IS god...Simply because when pushing into "over-drive / distortion" territory, they produce pleasing warm tones to your ears, as they apparently promote the sound of "even-numbered-harmonics".

Transistor amps when pushed, have a tendency of delivering the "odd-number-frequencies" predominantly, & they don't sound as appealing.

My amp is a hybrid, where the pre-amp section is driven by 2 x 12-AX-7 tubes, producing the warm tones of tubes, & the out-put section is driven by transistors known as "MosValves", that deliver the "even-numbered-harmonics" of tubes when pushed into over-drive, but with the stability / reliability of transistors.

As for your home / car, it isn't necessarily that one is better than the other, but folks will always be pleased to hear that you've got yourself a tube-amp. They're also pretty reliable these days too. And the rated wattage of a tube-amp is ( in the guitar world at least ) about double the out-put volume of the same rated transistor amp...

eg. 50-watts of tube power = about 100-watts of transistor power as your ears hear it in loudness / db's.

Also, if Russia or China or who-ever decided to nuke the US-of-A, your tubes would survive, & your transistors would fry from the EMP effect. ( Electro-Magnetic-Pulse ). I'm sure that even the US-of-A's military still use tubes for this reason in transmitting devices.

Trusting your ears however is the best way to decide IMO. If it sounds good, it IS good, regardless of what lives inside.

 

R3. We all are still getting nuked everyday from Fukushima, have no doubt...The sad part is that the US-of-A  & Canada got most of the fall-out...So this WW-III event that you're so concerned about already happened on the 11th March, 2011...You've been nuked bad SELLC...And that's why it's so hard to find any information about it..And these sick mofo world leaders still want you to believe that nukes-are-the-way-forward...And they'll even let you eat contaminated food from Fukushima that they've imported without letting you know...Nice people our elected officials are...

Sad world...

 

 



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R2. I've written this up in my music thread, so I'll just cut & paste...

That is a really hard one to answer SELLC...

In the world of electric-guitar, a tube-amp IS god...Simply because when pushing into "over-drive / distortion" territory, they produce pleasing warm tones to your ears, as they apparently promote the sound of "even-numbered-harmonics".

Transistor amps when pushed, have a tendency of delivering the "odd-number-frequencies" predominantly, & they don't sound as appealing.

My amp is a hybrid, where the pre-amp section is driven by 2 x 12-AX-7 tubes, producing the warm tones of tubes, & the out-put section is driven by transistors known as "MosValves", that deliver the "even-numbered-harmonics" of tubes when pushed into over-drive, but with the stability / reliability of transistors.

As for your home / car, it isn't necessarily that one is better than the other, but folks will always be pleased to hear that you've got yourself a tube-amp. They're also pretty reliable these days too. And the rated wattage of a tube-amp is ( in the guitar world at least ) about double the out-put volume of the same rated transistor amp...

eg. 50-watts of tube power = about 100-watts of transistor power as your ears hear it in loudness / db's.

Also, if Russia or China or who-ever decided to nuke the US-of-A, your tubes would survive, & your transistors would fry from the EMP effect. ( Electro-Magnetic-Pulse ). I'm sure that even the US-of-A's military still use tubes for this reason in transmitting devices.

Trusting your ears however is the best way to decide IMO. If it sounds good, it IS good, regardless of what lives inside.

 

 


 

I know you're a real connoisseur of these things, and I remember that post above too! It's why I asked for laymans terms! LOL, but down deep I knew that would be a tall order from an enthusiast. 

I'm still processing it... but it's making more sense!



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R2. I've written this up in my music thread, so I'll just cut & paste...

That is a really hard one to answer SELLC...

In the world of electric-guitar, a tube-amp IS god...Simply because when pushing into "over-drive / distortion" territory, they produce pleasing warm tones to your ears, as they apparently promote the sound of "even-numbered-harmonics".

Transistor amps when pushed, have a tendency of delivering the "odd-number-frequencies" predominantly, & they don't sound as appealing.

My amp is a hybrid, where the pre-amp section is driven by 2 x 12-AX-7 tubes, producing the warm tones of tubes, & the out-put section is driven by transistors known as "MosValves", that deliver the "even-numbered-harmonics" of tubes when pushed into over-drive, but with the stability / reliability of transistors.

As for your home / car, it isn't necessarily that one is better than the other, but folks will always be pleased to hear that you've got yourself a tube-amp. They're also pretty reliable these days too. And the rated wattage of a tube-amp is ( in the guitar world at least ) about double the out-put volume of the same rated transistor amp...

eg. 50-watts of tube power = about 100-watts of transistor power as your ears hear it in loudness / db's.

Also, if Russia or China or who-ever decided to nuke the US-of-A, your tubes would survive, & your transistors would fry from the EMP effect. ( Electro-Magnetic-Pulse ). I'm sure that even the US-of-A's military still use tubes for this reason in transmitting devices.

Trusting your ears however is the best way to decide IMO. If it sounds good, it IS good, regardless of what lives inside.

 

 


 

I know you're a real connoisseur of these things, and I remember that post above too! It's why I asked for laymans terms! LOL, but down deep I knew that would be a tall order from an enthusiast. 

I'm still processing it... but it's making more sense!


 

LOL...

Put simply... If bilind-folded, & sat in front of a stereo system where the speakers remain the same, & the amplifiers are changed-out one after the other, & graphic-eq's left in the centered neutral position, & with the same song played through both sound-systems, you find that when over 100-people are asked "which sounded better to you ?", 75% or more will indicate that what was the tube-amp sounded warmer, & clearer, & had more dynamics going-on.

* All top-shelf amplifiers for the stereo world will have NO graphic equalizer fitted...This is because they are built so well, that they can claim to be able to reproduce exactly what was recorded & mastered at the studio where a recording was made...No artificial additives required to juice-the-sound...

So...though tubes have arguably the edge over transistors in sound-quality as numerous tests with real people off-the-street have demonstrated, they are limited to a life-span of only 5,000-hrs, &/or 2,500 heat cycles...And that's if they make it that far down-the-road. Transistors & Mosvalves will live a longer life apparently.



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So here's an interesting article on the US-of-A's approach to this war in the Ukraine...


thebulletin.org/2022/03/russia-amplifies-bioweapons-claims-at-the-united-nations-security-council/



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All Russia does is LIE!

Like when they LIED at the start of this WAR and said they were not going to invade Ukraine and that their troop build up was just a tranning exercise! 

After that whopper of a LIE, they cannot be trusted or taken at their word...

Anyone who trust what Russia says is a complete idiot! 



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