Zelenskiy asks the West if scared of Russia

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

He's the meat in the sandwich...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

He is the freely elected President of Ukraine, and a believer that Ukraine would be far better served by joining the European Union and embracing Western ideals than by aligning itself with Russia. He refused enormous pressure from former president Trump to start a politically motivated false investigation of the Biden family. And by so doing, was denied an enormous amount of military aid that Congress had authorized for his country. He is a man who knew full well Russia was coming for him, but stayed in Ukraine to fight off the occupying force and share the fate of his people, even as he watches Russian forces surrounding his capital city. He is a man who chooses to probably end up dying, because it's better than abandoning his people.

That is who Vlodomyr Zelensky is. And what is amazing is there are many people like him. Even in Russia there are well intentioned people who run for office to actually serve their people. The problem is, They typically end up being assasinated or imprisoned for daring believe in democracy. I happen to think their fight is a worthy one, and I think we should support them as much as possible without starting WW3.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 14th of March 2022 06:58:44 PM

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

PowerStroker wrote:
He, is the freely elected President of Ukraine, and a believer that the Ukraine would be far better served by joining the European Union and embracing some Western ideals than by aligning itself with Russia. He refused enormous pressure from former president Trump to start a politically motivated false investigation of the Biden family. And by so doing, was denied an enormous amount of military aid that Congress had authorized for his country. He is a man who knew full well Russia was coming for him, but stayed in Ukraine to fight off the occupying force and share the fate of his people, even as he watches Russian forces surrounding his capital city. He is a man who chooses to probably end-up dying, because it's better than abandoning his people.
That is who Vlodomyr Zelensky is. And what is amazing, is that there are many people like him. Even in Russia, there are well intentioned people who run for office to actually serve their people. The problem is, they typically end up being assassinated or imprisoned, for daring to believe in democracy. I happen to think their fight is a worthy one, and I think we should support them as much as possible without starting WW-III.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 14th of March 2022 06:58:44 PM

Well said PowerStroker !!! ( I also did some light editing up there, I hope you don't mind )...

And PowerStrokers post reignites the media coverage given a few years ago, where Mr.Zelensky was begging for help from the US-of-A / West, only to get "the Bird" from Teflon-Don...Perhaps a further indication of the friendship that exists between Mr.Trumpdt & Mr.Putin....

Anyhow, as I see it, it would be very difficult for any country that lives next to any world power to find its own peace & prosperity...You'd always be having to look over-your-shoulder, awaiting the snake to strike...

I suggest that sadly, the Ukraine will turn into another "Gaza strip" , where a no-mans-land of neutral territory will exist, with ever-on-going warfare between the "West & East" will persist...

Stalemate.

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I like Zelensky... he seems like someone who really loves his country and his people... It sucks to have to watch them all get pummeled by Russia, even though they have put up an AMAZING fight!

I hope they can hold the Russians back long enough to figure out a peaceful resolution... I get the feeling Russia is only interested in a complete surrender by Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people to turn over their land to Russia...

Don't see Zelenskyy or his people doing that, so this war could drag on for a long time... I agree with PowerStroker that their fight is a good one and we need to try and keep this thing from turning into WWIII.

Rastus makes a good point about Ukraine turning into another Gaza Strip... from the photos I've seen Russia is just destroying the hell out of cities there...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Zelenskiy asks the West if scared of Russia

https://www.yahoo.com/news/zelenskiy-asks-west-scared-russia-122735967.html

I don't want to seem crass... and maybe someone might know more about this than I do... but didn't Zelenskiy have something to do with Ukraine trying to prosecute then Vice-President's son? Wasn't that about the same time we were trying to help them out with support and possible NATO membership?

And at the sake of showing my hand, how the hell is it Russia cannot find Zelenskiy? Could it be because the West is helping to keep him alive? I mean really, how many live interviews does this man do a day? And Russia can't find him?

Something fishy going on here... although I'd love to think Russia was just so ineffective that even with complete control of the sky, and all their high tech weaponry, RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEM, that somehow this guy remains elusive?

There is something not adding up here that nobody wants to talk about.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

The guy could just say "I NEED HELP" and maybe a "PLEASE" or two...

But I'll be honest... I don't think anyone thought he was going to make it a week, let alone a month!

I hope he gets what he needs, but what the world does not need is another World War because he was dragging his feet on joining NATO.

Personally I think Ukraine is getting incredible support for not even being a member of NATO!

Am I wrong?

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Zelenskyy urges opportunity to speak with Xi because China has power to stop Russian invasion

https://www.yahoo.com/news/zelenskyy-urges-opportunity-speak-xi-183950656.html

You see, this is exactly why I never trusted this Zelenskyy... and no doubt it's one of the reasons Biden doesn't either! In the article Zelenskyy goes on to deep throat China by saying it's a powerful state, and they could put Russia in it's place... Because the BILLIONS of fucking dollars we are giving him are not enough... Instead of giving the people credit for keeping his stupid looking ass alive for this long, he want's to ask for help from Russia's ally and create this narative that China is powerful and a country that wants peace... Perhaps Zelenskyy would do better if he called up the President of Taiwan and asked their thoughts?

Nothing adds up about this guy Zelenskyy! The fact he isn't dead is 100% proof he is in with Russia and this entire invasion is nothing more than another attempt to destabilize the world economy... a reversed engineered propaganda campagin by Russia to form a false narrative. Well I have a new narrative about Russia, Putin and this war... the fact that Zelenskyy is still alive, and beyond touch to Putin and Russia means one of two things

1. Russia is inept and almost as ineffective as a thrid world nation. Their military is shockingly weak, outdated and completely incapable of carrying out surgical military actions... in other words, Russia has gone soft and is no longer even CLOSE to superpower status - even with their outdated nukes that would probably fail to even launch, let alone hit their targets.

2. Russia owns Zelenskyy, and like the pied piper he has lead Ukrainians to their death while at the same time bleed off US money and weapons stockpiles on a false flag.

I don't know about you guys... but I am thinking #2 sounds more realistic... now that Zelenskyy is in the business of making up fairy tale stories!

It's the people of Ukraine who are ultimatly paying the price... along with a lot of Americans who are having to foot the bill to keep a man alive who is now sucking China's dick... Maybe China has seen how Zelenskyy is all kind and flattering at the start, but clearly what we have seen from Zelenskyy is a man who demands and talks poorly of the US at times when he doesn't get what he wants...

I'm sorry guys... after this I just can't support this man anymore... I still support the people of Ukraine, but to me this guy Zelenskyy is just a Russian asset... and I say that really wishing that #1 was the case... in fact, I'd much rather #1 be the case! That is how I know this is all bullshit, and thus a #2!

Think about it.

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Bla, bla, bla....

What do you expect from these people ???...

Russia imo is the "only" known world leader that's doing very positive things for the world, & it's population...eg...

* The Russian folks all agree that interstellar life exists, & are happy to participate in positive, peaceful interactions with these people.

* It seems that they're breaking away from the Rockefeller / Rothschild strangle-hold over the worlds finances & energy needs...aka, Fuch-you New World Order.

* They have not detonated any atomic devices, nor stopped the function of any nuclear power plant in the Ukraine.

* No children that are suffering from the continued fall-out from the Chernobyl disaster have been affected, in-fact, they're moving into new buildings / homes as independents.

* The Russians have only reacted to the Neo-Nazi infiltration of the Ukraine government, & the threats that that posed.

* The Russians have only responded to the lies made in the UN about NATO, & the illegal placement of NATO missiles in countries surrounding the east / west front of Russia.

Our world leaders are fucking-us-all-up, by not revealing the truth about us not being alone in the universe...This maintains us into living in slavery, & protects their way-of-life, through fear, & war.

Solution...

Once again, get out & do a CE5 for yourselves, & liberate yourselves from the lies & bullshyte !!!

You'll be so glad that you did !

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Putin HATES Zelenskyy. Option 1 is far more accurate but only because we have been feeding modern weaponry to Ukraine (we needed to rotate stock anyway). There is another thing at play here. Zelenskyy knows that one of the only things keeping Russia's economy afloat, is the sale of their oil to China. Zelenskyy is trying to use dipllomacy to guilt China into getting their fuel elsewhere. While we may not like China much these days, or those who seemingly suck China off, I can see why it would make sense for Zelenskyy to do so. Strategically, either one of use would do the same in his situation.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Rastus wrote:
Bla, bla, bla....

What do you expect from these people ???...

Russia imo is the "only" known world leader that's doing very positive things for the world, & it's population...eg...

* The Russian folks all agree that interstellar life exists, & are happy to participate in positive, peaceful interactions with these people. -BULLSHIT

* It seems that they're breaking away from the Rockefeller / Rothschild strangle-hold over the worlds finances & energy needs...aka, Fuch-you New World Order. -BULLSHIT
* They have not detonated any atomic devices, nor stopped the function of any nuclear power plant in the Ukraine. -BULLSHIT
* No children that are suffering from the continued fall-out from the Chernobyl disaster have been affected, in-fact, they're moving into new buildings / homes as independents. -BULLSHIT
* The Russians have only reacted to the Neo-Nazi infiltration of the Ukraine government, & the threats that that posed. -BULLSHIT
* The Russians have only responded to the lies made in the UN about NATO, & the illegal placement of NATO missiles in countries surrounding the east / west front of Russia. - And finally, MORE BULLSHIT!

Our world leaders are fucking-us-all-up, by not revealing the truth about us not being alone in the universe...This maintains us into living in slavery, & protects their way-of-life, through fear, & war.

Solution...

Once again, get out & do a CE5 for yourselves, & liberate yourselves from the lies & bullshyte !!!

You'll be so glad that you did !

Rastus, while you're in Russia hanging out with the aliens why don't you see if you guys can find us a unicorn or a mermaid while you're at it... because I hardly find anything Russia is doing to be positive for anyone but Putin!

You see Putins behavior a lot with loan sharks and drug dealers... where he thinks he can just steal what he want's and cheat when things don't go his way... he does not adhere to proper business standards, the only people that trust him don't even really trust him, rather they are taking advantage of him to save money on oil!

A lot of your statements are bullshit too... Russia has engaged in combat near Chernobyl as well as dug up radioative waste when trenching! They are currently lauching missiles from another nuke plant because they figure the Ukrainians won't attack a nuke plant... and they are right, because only Russia would do something so stupid.

We are still waiting for just ONE positive that Russia is doing... your list sounds as plausable as Aliens fixing all our problems! They haven't, not historically, not recently, not EVER.

You can keep waiting for that ship to come in, but as for me... I seen the movie Turistas!

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PowerStroker wrote:
Putin HATES Zelenskyy. Option 1 is far more accurate but only because we have been feeding modern weaponry to Ukraine (we needed to rotate stock anyway). There is another thing at play here. Zelenskyy knows that one of the only things keeping Russia's economy afloat, is the sale of their oil to China. Zelenskyy is trying to use dipllomacy to guilt China into getting their fuel elsewhere. While we may not like China much these days, or those who seemingly suck China off, I can see why it would make sense for Zelenskyy to do so. Strategically, either one of use would do the same in his situation.

I don't share your optimism... any notion that China is going to break with Russia for this guy Zelensky or Zelenskyy (notice it's always a terrorist name they never quite can agree on how to spell) it preposterous thinking. Even the optics are repulsive!

The only thing Zelenskyy is doing is looking for a better deal... Biden is about to give Ukraine ANOTHER BILLION dollars! I'd say that's a lot of money, especially for a guy who's probably not going to live to bind Ukraine to pay it back!

Nobody really knows how the REAL people of Ukraine, China or Russia feel... because the media has all been run out of Ukraine, and China and Russia have tight controls on their internet and media!

I say there is something fishy with the fact this Zelenskyy guy is still alive...

Why this guy Zelenskyy thinks sucking China is going to help him is beyond me... China isn't going to help him, they want this to go on forever so they are the only ones buying cheap Russian oil!

China will probably move on Taiwan soon... do you think the President of Taiwan will be asking for audience with Russia at that point? Asking them not to sell oil to China!? LOL

I'm sorry PowerStroker, but absent Zelenskyy delivering Putin's broomstick, I don't think there is any walking this back for him in my eyes...

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A billion dollars sounds like a lot to you or me sure, but look what we're getting for the investment. Russia's casualties amount to over 75,000 at last count, to say nothing of the thousands of tanks, armored personnel carriers, and aircraft they have lost... To say nothing of their guided missile flagship laying at the bottom of the Black Sea. Hell, that ship was probably worth close to a billion dollars by itself. Even if the Russian economy wasn't in the toilet and they had the money to replace this stuff, it would take many years to do so at this point. The Ukranians are doing all of the hard work here, we're just arming them to do so. And if our goal is to weaken Russia's ability to mess with the world order (which it is), we're getting ENORMOUS bang for our buck here. For every billion we spend there to weaken Russia, Their losses in terms of soliders and equipment is exponentially worse. As far as Western and European powers are concerned, this campaign would still be a bargain at 10 times the price. Forget about Ukraine paying us back, the fact that they are laying down their own lives to do this is more than payment enough. Hell, the 1% tax on corporate stock buybacks that Democrats are going to pass in the reconcilliation bill is going to raise about 120 billion over 10 years. This Ukraine thing is chump change by comparison, and it allows us to rotate some of our expiring munitions out of inventory to make room for fresh stuff anyway. These things have a shelf life Rex, we may as well use them or give them to someone who can. It also demonstrates to the world that the United States is ready, willing, and able to pour enormous resources into efforts that defend democracy across the globe, so think real hard before attacking a democracy. Hey China, are you paying attention?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I am not attacking... I am merely presenting a question.

Here is another question... is Zelenskyy defending Democracy if he cozies up with the CCP? Because that was all I was pondering!

I'm aware of the reported losses by Russia... although I think that number of 75,000 Russian casulaties might be a little off... Just the other day I seen an article that said 7,500! Not even kidding!

And who do we have on the ground counting these bodies and equipment losses? They have run most of the media out of Ukraine!

I know war is a tricky business, that is why I present the question.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I believe it was our own intelligence assessment that has the estimate over 75,000. China may be run by pricks, but Ukraine has no specific beef with them. If they can play nice with China, then maybe China can reduce its oil buy from Russia. It doesn't hurt to try. One can be nice to China without embracing all they stand for. We do it all the time.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
We do it all the time.

Yeah-Yeah

I'm just looking for people to blame for all my problems in life this morning PowerStroker!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Rastus wrote:

Russia imo is the "only" known world leader that's doing very positive things for the world, & it's population...eg...

* They have not detonated any atomic devices, nor stopped the function of any nuclear power plant in the Ukraine.

Bla, bla, bla....

You were saying, Rastus?

Nuclear Disaster Miraculously Avoided During Suicidal Russian Attack

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nuclear-disaster-miraculously-avoided-during-093100137.html

I think you need a better news desk Rastus! That counterpunch is just filling your head full of shit.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Didn't the Russians also stir up a bunch of radiation when they rolled through the Chernobyl site? I thought I heard something about a bunch of their soldiers dying of radiation poisoning as a result.

Rastus, the Ukranian govenrment isn't run by neo-nazis. Why are you repeating Putin's false justification propaganda?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Yes they did... think I even mentioned it in my rebuttal with Rastus above too!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Oh, I'm sure there'll be many more stories kept-up to keep us in fear...

So here's a story about a nuke-bomb that somehow didn't explode on impact from a US-of-A bomber, on US-of-A soil...It's still in the ground btw...

www.fairewinds.org/nuclear-energy-education/remembering-the-night-two-atomic-bombs-fellon-north-carolina

Oh, & guess what, here's another one lol !!! This one accidently dropped from a US-of-A plane in Spain...It seems that it's not just rain that falls mainly in the plains...

www.fairewinds.org/nuclear-energy-education/decades-later-sickness-among-airmen-after-a-hydrogen-bomb-accident

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Quite a few broken arrows floating around out there Rastus... and not just from the USA!

What's your point?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
Quite a few broken arrows floating around out there Rastus... and not just from the USA!
What's your point?

ROTFLMAO !!!!!!

Oh, OK, you still don't get it...So how about this...

You're concerned about someone in the middle-of-a-war in the Ukraine, wanting to blow-up a nuke-plant...Meanwhile, a bankrupt US-of-A company Westinghouse, wants to build 8-new-reactors right next to the one's you're worried about...

Confusedt...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

You are confused Rastus... what do you think is going to power this big green push?

What is going to replace all that Russian oil?

Do you think it's gonna be coal? LOL, nope! It's gonna be nuke power plants!

Also, I didn't see anything about Westinghouse being bankrupt, could you perhaps offer up a supporting link?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
1.You are confused Rastus... what do you think is going to power this big green push?
2.What is going to replace all that Russian oil?
3.Do you think it's gonna be coal? LOL, nope! It's gonna be nuke power plants!
4.Also, I didn't see anything about Westinghouse being bankrupt, could you perhaps offer up a supporting link?

R1. The free-energy from the vacuum, or quantam energy, whatever you'd like to call it. If not, it looks like we're *ucked !

R2. Russian oil provides less than 3% of the worlds consumption...As you can see, folks like Mr.Bush are taking us to the cleaners with prices 5-times-higher than they were...It's called false-supply & demand...Artificial scarcity...

R3. Nukes are the death of us all already...Time to change.

R4. The link to the story already exists, likely in the Russia or Ukraine thread...It seems you never found the time to read it, so I'll search...In 40-years, the are still yet to finish 4-nuke-reactors in your country, so they cashed-in, & declared bankruptcy...

https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Court-approves-Westinghouse-reorganisation-plan

https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Westinghouse-signs-VVER-440-fuel-agreement-with-Uk

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Well, I guess you're right... but it was a chapter 11 restructuring...

Still... not a good look on a company building nuke plants... all I can figure is if Westinghouse does not build them, someone else will.