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SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Ford Truck SD Powerstroke Fuel Injector Rebuild

Big Angry Hillbilly · User

About as far as you can go is changin the o-rings in the top where the high pressure oil rail goes into the top of in the injector. You can get the o-rings from International.

Injector dissassembly can only be done in a SUPER clean environment, also.

You didn't return the cores when you changed the injectors?

They're $250 each for cores here.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Yes I am aware of the o-rings that go around the injectors. No I didnt buy my injectors from Ford, thus a core was not required.

There are people out there rebuilding them, so I know there is more service parts than what you are claiming. While they may not be avaliable thru Fords, you might find them from CAT.

A clean enviroment is something thats not a problem. We build engines, so I know what clean means.

Big Angry Hillbilly · User

You won't likely be able to buy parts from CAT, but International, probably.

*Shrug* I can't be bothered rebuilding something like a fuel injector. I'd rather not be on the hook for it if it fails, and if it happens to damage anything else during said failure.

On my own piece of shit, however, I would re-line fuckin brake pads.

larryatsti · Veteran Guest

Rebuilding the Heui injectors should be left to ONLY people that know what they are doing. As for getting parts for them you have to be a certified rebuilder with the correct tools and test stands to do this. As we are. If you find somebody to sell the parts to you and you proceed in trying/failing to rebuild them, well then I guess I told you so. As for core value they are only worth about $25.00 USD as core. Ford charges $250.00 because they want them back.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

The can be rebuilt by anyone whom has access to the parts, and has half a brain. Guess that exludes you Larry.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Ok Rex, If you have half a brain then answer this... What part of the 6.0 injector holds the piezo crystal stack??? What does a Piezo crystal do???

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

In the 3rd generation of Common Rail for passenger cars, the injector actuators consist of several hundred thin piezo crystal wafers. Piezo crystals have the special characteristic of expanding rapidly when an electric field is applied to them. In a piezo inline injector, the actuator is built into the injector body very close to the jet needle. The movement of the piezo packet is transmitted friction-free, using no mechanical parts, to the rapidly switching jet needles. The advantages over the earlier magnetic and current conventional piezo injectors are a more precise metering of the amount of fuel injected and an improved atomization of the fuel in the cylinders. The rapid speed at which the injectors can switch makes it possible to reduce the intervals between injections and split the quantity of fuel delivered into a large number of separate injections for each combustion stroke.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Big Angry Hillbilly wrote:

On my own piece of shit, however, I would re-line fuckin brake pads.

I am glad you can understand where I am going with this.

I would be interested in knowing just how they rate them higher in terms of HP. Who wants to rebuild something to stock specs?

Here is a listing for injectors, they claim to let them know 40 or 70 HP versions. I have seen some ratings as high as 100HP!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-6-0-6-0L-High-Performance-Powerstroke-Injectors_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33554QQihZ010QQitemZ200321177463QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Wow Rex, for a second there I thought you actually knew something... Then I realized the secret to your knowledge lies in 3 words:

GOOGLE - COPY - PASTE

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Do you even know what manufature uses the term Common rail?

Hurry up and GOOGLE - CUT - PASTE the answer, cuz we know you havent a clue!

Date: 06:24 PM Mar 19, 2009

SELLC wrote:

The can be rebuilt by anyone whom has access to the parts, and has half a brain. Guess that exludes you Larry.

He asshole if you had half a brain you would realize that they don't just come apart and go back together again. You have to have the required tools and test stands as I have said previously. How do I know this you ask....I am they rebuilder for these and all of the electronic and mechanical fuel systems out, for both gas and diesels. Ask for help before acting the ass as you do.

Date: 06:25 PM Mar 19, 2009

Oh yeah....

Miss me yet Ralph biggrin

Big Angry Hillbilly · User

My Ford F-350 has a common-rail fuel system.

And I'm not feeding you a line of poop, either.

PogoPossum · RIP - Veteran User

SELLC wrote:

Do you even know what manufature uses the term Common rail?
Hurry up and GOOGLE - CUT - PASTE the answer, cuz we know you havent a clue!

Most all of them these days....

Interesting that we should climb on a horse this high whe we have demonstrated an abject lack of knowledge regarding the HEUI injector.... When we have demonstrated an lack of knowledge regarding "pattern" failures and the "FORD" 6.0 diesel . and the fact that we are all stupid thinking that our special tools wee built by ford (in spite of all the indications to the contrary). "Holy fuck, Batman.... a subcontractor built this!!!!".

FWIW, we are only concerned with those things that we dedicate ourselves to... We live in a very real world... this very eal world involves more people than you apparently imagine...,

Every time you express surprise or indignation over some well known fact, it just serves to reinforce the idea that you have little or no idea as to the state of the industry.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PogoPossum wrote:
Every time you express surprise or indignation over some well known fact, it just serves to reinforce the idea that you have little or no idea as to the state of the industry.

Since none of you know, I will tell you.

"VOLVO" uses the term "Common Rail" to discribe their Diesel engine.

Yes the "Powerstroke" does use it, however thats not what I was asking.

Pogo, werent you saying something about "Other people in the world"? Apparently this world involves more manufactures than you apparently imagine.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Hmmm, Doesn't FORD own Volvo? Thus making "common rail" a FORD thing by your logic Rex?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Yes Ford owns Volvo.

But the Volvo seems to have coined the term by naming an engine after it, under the name Volvo of course, which is just a re-badged Ford with flare.

-- Edited by SELLC on Friday 20th of March 2009 03:35:52 PM

PogoPossum · RIP - Veteran User

SELLC wrote:

Yes Ford owns Volvo.

But the Volvo seems to have coined the term by naming an engine after it, under the name Volvo of course, which is just a re-badged Ford with flare.

-- Edited by SELLC on Friday 20th of March 2009 03:35:52 PM

Ummmmm , common rail is a "design". Bosch uses the term... IIRC Cummins uses the term. Lot's of manufacturers/suppliers/builders/ whoever use the term. HEUI is a design... lots of - oh fuck, you already know where that's going...

FWIW, Volvo is still Volvo. Ford purchased Volvo in order to gain access to "corporate knowledge".... You did realize this, right? No car company ever buys another car company to change the way they do business.... They buy it to see what, if anything, that companies research has yielded.. to gain access to research and knowledge that may be beneficial...

Fuck me... can we really be this dense?

You were asked about the piezo stack in a 6.0 injector and you did a cut and paste thing.... the correct answer would have been immediate.... there is no piezo stack in a 6.0 injector.... the VT365E/6.0PSD are both HEUI injected engines....

The correct answer would have taken some familiarity with the engine....

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

CORRECT!!!

Pogo is todays boobie prize winner.

I love setting these little traps for Rex, he fails EVERY TIME

By the way Rex, we're still waiting to see pictures of your 6.0 rear main tools.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I think its funny when you guys fall into your own trap.

I have exploded views of these injectors, and really I knew you guys would lack the knowledge of the "Common Rail" as it pertained to the Volvo, dipite Fords owning it.

I find it laughable the way you people carry on in here. Maybe PowerStroker and Pogo needs to read the "New Emissions Standards" thread so that he may realize the Piezo injector has been covered WEEKS ago.

Given the fact I was asking people about the solinoids, I think it would be clear to most people PowerStroker is once again FOS.

Why in the world I need to show PowerStroker my tools is beyond me. He seems to think Rotunda is the only people who can re-package a tool.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I've actually successfully diagnosed and replaced common rail injectors on a 6.4 bub... The kind with a stack of piezo crystal discs that you've googled so much about recently. And at the Ford training center (yes there is actually training for this stuff) we disassembled one to see all of the inner workings. Then we studdied diagrams of how it works, and how the common rail fuel system works in it's entirity. It has something to do with a vcv and a pcv, but not the kind of PCV you're thinking about I assure you.

You don't have 6.0 rear main tools and you know it.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

What is it with you and rear main seal tools? Did your shop manager finally let you do one this week? I have what I need to perform the repairs I am doing, and guess what, they belong to ME, not the Ford Dealer.

I have a tool by the name of PowerStroker... Would you like to see a photo of that?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

No I just want a simple picture of your 6.0 rear main tools... Or to admit I caught you in a lie

eastend · Veteran Guest

PowerStroker wrote:

No I just want a simple picture of your 6.0 rear main tools...

HUH HUH HUH You just said you wanna see Rex's tool....HUH HUH HUH!!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

What is it with the rear main tools?

Will you settle for a photo of my ICPR tool? I think you know where this is going.

I am still waiting to see a photo of PowerStrokers rear main tool, thus far he has only showed us his Dealerships tools.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:

What is it with the rear main tools?

You claimed you have everything you need to replace a rear main seal on a 6.0, and I called Bullshit. You have yet to prove me wrong.

Will you settle for a photo of my ICPR tool? I think you know where this is going.

I've already seen that thing. I've never questioned your ability to replace an IPR, just your ability to diagnose one.
I am still waiting to see a photo of PowerStrokers rear main tool, thus far he has only showed us his Dealerships tools.

You know, I actually used to own a complete set of 6.9/7.3 idi, 7.3 DIT, and 6.0 tools that I acquired at an auction when a local dealer went out of business, but then I realized that since I work at a place that provides those things for me, I would be better off selling them and buying my own IDS - which I did. My owning the rear main tool isn't the point though. The point I'm trying to make is the difference between you and me is I choose to work in an environment where I'm surrounded by all of the tools and information I need to fix something correctly. You are more of a businessman than a mechanic, and thus, place less value on doing things correctly, and more value on being a "jack of all" as that wonderful animation stated in another thread. Your obsession with grinding heads and blocks with roloc discs is only one example of your hackery, and your claim to own 6.0 rear main tools is an example of me catching you in a lie.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Hackery? Spare me the BS.

I just had a Ford in here Monday that the customer claimed to have paid $800 for a tune-up on, FROM THE DEALER.

Ignorant dealer techs didnt even snap the wires on all the way.

Dealer charged him $800 for six spark plugs, and six spark plug wires! The service wrighter even had the balls to claim they replaced the cap and rotor. This was funny considering it had a DIS.

I may not have any Rotunda tools, however my rear main tools have yet to fail me. Maybe when you learn how to do the job, you will realize whats important.

There is nothing wrong with using a Roloc pad to clean a surface. You are the ONLY idiot I know of that would say such an ignorant thing.

Any one of these jobs REQUIRES a Roloc pad or something similar to ensure a proper seal-

Water Pump
Timing Cover
Head Gaskets
EGR Valves
Exhaust Manifolds
Intake Manifolds
Oil Pans (Esp when re-using the old one)

The list goes on and on. I would LOVE to see what your comeback percentages are for leaks. Given the fact you lack the ability to re-surface a mating surface the proper way tells me you are just a line mechanic whom gets fed all the same work, becuase you cant handle doing anything else.

I think that the powerstroke mafia has gotten lazy. They have forgotten that most of the world performs work with the engine inside the car. They prefer to remove the entire engine and soak up them billable hours using things like Roloc pads are bad for an excuse to do so, while the rest of the world does head gasket jobs, water pumps, and the like using Roloc pads with sucess every day, this jackoff PowerStroker is going to try and front like he knows more than the rest of the WORLD.

Powerstroker, get over yourself already. You have done one bedplate gasket that didnt leak before the weeks end, now your getting all big headed. There is still next week.

PogoPossum · RIP - Veteran User

SELLC wrote:

What is it with the rear main tools?

Will you settle for a photo of my ICPR tool? I think you know where this is going.
I am still waiting to see a photo of PowerStrokers rear main tool, thus far he has only showed us his Dealerships tools.

If you want to split hairs, you are dealing with some dangerous folk.... I have tools that the shop doesn't.... they are available for use... the shop has some tools I don't.... they are available for use....

You haven't the foggiest idea of what a rear main installer or wear ring remover looks like... But you like to pretend....

If you have the OTC installer, what size of 12 point socket does it require to install to the cranksahft? What is the assembly lube of choice for the OLD STYLE seal?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

This is getting rediculous.

Yes I can replace a rear main seal and Yes I can do it without your special tools.

This is what MY SPECIAL tool is made to fit into-

Now do you still want a photo of my tool?

-- Edited by SELLC on Friday 27th of March 2009 01:37:15 PM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

First off, that picture is of the 7.3 tools which are different.

Your ability to copy and paste a picture of the proper tool from this website: http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/otc7835.html doesn't impress.

I want a picture of you holding the 6.0 rear main tool. Or just admit I caught you in another lie. We weren't born yesterday Rex.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 27th of March 2009 01:51:39 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

First show me exactly when I claimed to have "Owned" this paticular special tool that was manufatured by OTC/ROTUNDA.

I claimed to have rear main tools period. I know you dealer guys have fancy things, however that dont mean that the rest of the world cant figure out another way to skin a cat.

P.S. That photo come from OTC Direct.

Here is the link - http://www.otctools.com/products/detail.php?id=1906

Now why dont you spread that information over in the "Oil Leak" thread where it might be useful to someone with a specific problem such as this. Oh wait, I forgot, you like people to work for it dont you. LOL

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:

First show me exactly when I claimed to have "Owned" this paticular special tool that was manufatured by OTC/ROTUNDA.

"Just like the dealer would like you to think the $190 is what you will pay for the ICPR tool, the tool to install rear main seals can be purchased for less than $20. And we do have it." ~SELLC on the Oil leak thread

I claimed to have rear main tools period. I know you dealer guys have fancy things, however that dont mean that the rest of the world cant figure out another way to skin a cat.

Fine, show me what you would use then.

P.S. That photo come from OTC Direct.

Here is the link - http://www.otctools.com/products/detail.php?id=1906

Yeah, stock OTC photos are easily available everywhere. So, now you've see what proper tools look like, do you plan to buy any???

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Yeah Ill go right out and spend money on that rear main seal kit..... Right after I buy an ICPR socket..... NOT.

clark2334 · Newbie

SELLC wrote:

I have several good cores for the 2003 6.0 Powestroke Turbo Diesel engine.

I have been looking at them and seriously considering what it would take to rebuild them. I have seen a company by the name of Pensicola Diesel that rebuilds these injectors and also offers ones that are rated at a higher horsepower level. I think the biggest I have seen crested the 100HP rating.

Anyway I was wondering if anyone in here has taken apart one of these injectors yet? Also wondering what the top solinoid portion was sold seperatly, and if so how much it cost? With regards to the needle and seats, internals and such, I would guess these must be cleaned and checked for damage.

Does anyone know of kits for sale that include the parts needed to rebuild them? Has anyone in here done it?

Thanks in advance.

With regards with the kits that you are looking for, I suggest you go to JCWhitney or StylinTrucks. I got their most of my truck parts and accessories.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Perhaps I'm jaded, but in my humble opinion, the only quality reman 6.0 injectors come in a box that says Motorcraft on it. Even If I were able to acquire rebuild kits, I couldn't even come close to the level of quality Motorcraft does. They are more involved than just slamming new seal kits inside, there are very specialized machining processes involved which require special equipment that even dealerships cant get.

Click Below:

https://www.powerstrokediesel.com/docs/Injector%20Comparison.pdf

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Tuesday 22nd of February 2011 08:24:31 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I been hearing a lot of bad stories about Pensicola injectors, then again I had a few Motorcraft rebuilt injectors shit the bed in short order too.

Date: 10:23 PM Mar 10, 2011

Maybe you should have fixed the root cause of the injector failure instead of just throwing injectors at it.

~PowerStroker too lazy to log in

Date: 12:15 PM Mar 11, 2011

Spoken like a true Union worker PowerStroker. I guess we all now know the REAL reason Ford's had to buy so many of the early 6 liter diesel trucks back... Because their union techs couldn't fix the ROOT problem, which was a poor design.

Want to say otherwise? Then tell us why the design of the 6.0 injection system was changed just about every year thereafter.

Just ask anyone with an early 6.0 what they think about the injectors. I had a few out of a set go bad in a years time. What was the root cause?

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Fucked Over Rebuilt Dodge

~ SELLC

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Spoken like a true Union worker PowerStroker. I guess we all now know the REAL reason Ford's had to buy so many of the early 6 liter diesel trucks back... Because their union techs couldn't fix the ROOT problem, which was a poor design.

Most techs at Ford dealerships across the country are non union.

Want to say otherwise? Then tell us why the design of the 6.0 injection system was changed just about every year thereafter.

I wasn't aware they changed the design of 6.0 fuel injectors except that the 04 and newer 6.0's have a different part number than the 03 enignes. About half way through the 03 model year there was a clevce spring update too, but to say the changed the design on 6.0 injectors every year would be wrong. To improve cold drivability and emissions, the 6.4 went to a common rail system built by Siemens (the same company who made 6.0 injectors). The Ford built 6.7 still uses common rail, but they had Bosch build it.

Just ask anyone with an early 6.0 what they think about the injectors. I had a few out of a set go bad in a years time. What was the root cause?

Usually low fuel pressure, aerated fuel, or contaminated fuel.

Fix Or Repair Daily

Found On Road Dead

Fucked Over Rebuilt Dodge

It's too bad you're not as fluent in technical acronyms. Rember "ICPR"?
~ SELLC

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I still call it an ICPR and none of you union goons are going to change that.

Yes, there is a difference between the years on the 6.0, not only in injectors but also placement of the High Pressure fuel regulator, but also the duct working of the tubes. There are significant changes thru the years. The 6.0 was offered up in 2003 and then replaced by the 6.4 liter in what? 2007-2008? Yes I am aware the 6.0 lingered for a few more years in commercial vehicles, but I am talking about the F250 Super Duty.

Now the 6.4 has been phased out for the 6.7 Scorpion engine for 2011. That's a short life span of about 4 years for the 6.0 and 4 years for the 6.4 that's not very impressive. I am very curious how many years Fords will run with the 6.7 given the fact they now have an in-house engine. Even since the days of the 7.3 aka Ole' Reliable Ford's have been using International engines.

So don't sit here and lecture me about a vehicle you never laid eyes or hands on. Don't sit here and act like Ford's is god when it comes to putting their name over the label of another company. Most of Ford's diesel parts are re-boxed International parts so really you are getting middle-manned also, you are really no better than anyone else. Now if you were a tech for "International" or "Navistar" then of course it would be a different story, but as it stands you are just a Ford mechanic with a bunch of ignorant abbreviations working for a company that pays royalties to another company that gets their parts from yet another company and even then Fords cant even discribe the parts they are re-boxing properly.

So spare us the BS about Ford re-manufactured injectors. From what I understand they are a caterpillar injector anyway. So why not buy from the "REAL" creator.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Those are Siemens injectors bub. Caterpillar was the first company to come up with a HEUI style injection system, but 6.0 injectors are Siemens.

If you don't want to be lectured, stop saying dumb stuff.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

That settles it PowerStroker....

I am putting my Ford F250 body on a Caterpillar frame.