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Nothing to see here, move along now...


Just wanted to show everyone my tool.



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Nice tool.... Did the guys in the tool crib let you play with it today?

Let me guess... The service writer thought it was a valve cover gasket originally, but then had to let you do the job since you pulled the order? LOL

How about some more of them photos, that tool dont look too fancy to me.

So does that thing draw the seal down evenly? Is that the way of it?

Yeah so that tool looks a little better than what I would use, however its the end result that counts. That tool looks near idiot proof, perhaps that says something about the opperator!? LOL

All kidding aside, nice photo.

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Actually it also drives the mandatory wear sleeve on the crank as well as the seal, and sets the whole business to the correct depth, since there is no 'stops' per se to keep you from ramming the seal in too far.

What you can't see is the 'update' that's added to the tool with the advent of the 'new and improved' rear main seal.

6.0 rocker covers don't leak. For that matter, rear main seals don't generally leak, either. But that's not why I'm changing it.

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AH HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Nice Job Hillbilly! 

Ofcourse if we ever are able to play at Rex's level, we'll be able to do that job with a pick axe and a sledge hammer like he can.

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Mandatory wear sleeve?

Thats pretty interesting, considering I been installing sleeve's onto cranks since you guys were pissing your pants.

Usually if the crankshaft does not show signs of wear (small groove where the crank seal cuts into the crank), one does not install such things. Now in cases where an engine has 200,000 miles there is good cause for such repair sleeves. Most dealerships dont see vehicles with 60,000 miles, let alone 200,000.

What is so hard about sinking a rear main seal? What with all the high tech gizmoes that Fords has you guys pick this glorified press to brag about?

Im not saying its not fun to use, and I am sure any idiot can use it, but what does that say about your skill? Are you to tell me that without that tool it would be beyond your ability to install a rear main seal with success? Cuz thats what it sounds like.



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Well, if you put it in without the tool, odds are you'll drive it in too far.

The wear sleeve comes with the seal, as a matter of fact it tells you not to take the sleeve OUT of the seal before installing it.

The seal is redesigned to work WITH the wear sleeve. Front and rear crank seals both on the power stroke engines. If you don't use the tool, you won't press everything on to the correct depth or straight for that matter.

I'll take a picture of a rear cover next time I have one off and you can see there's no land for the seal to butt up against, so theoretically, you could drive the seal right past the cover and let it fly around on the crank.

Different topic, but wait until you get to do a water pump on an Edge:


Need special tools for that one, too.

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Last time I checked the Edge was a Ford Truck/SUV so its well within the topic here!

At least you can drop the engine and powertrain out the bottom, rather than having to pull the cab. doh I have pulled numerous loaded cradles and I would rather drop two cradles than have to lift one large truck Cab. How about you?

I agree the tool you have is somewhat nice, and I did have to wipe a little drule from my mouth at first, however for a place that does not do a whole lot of them, its almost worth spending the extra time (Providing you are comfortable with it) than purchase the tool. I can understand why the dealer has this tool, and I bet it does save some time along with ensuring a good job, however I have done so many rear main seals, sleeves and the sort that I am comfortable enough to perform the job the old fashioned way. Thats not to say I wouldnt like to have one of them tools, its just something I doubt would pay itself off for a smaller garage like mine. I am sure in a few years I might pick one up on e-bay or craigslist for a fair price, and if I seen one I would. I make up all sorts of things to drive diffrent size seals in, I have become somewhat good at it over the years but I am glad to have been blessed with the photos of the tool in action. Thanks.

By the way, what does one of them tools list for? What I mean is, how much does it cost to buy?

 



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Holy fuck, butt man.... Rex.. this is a tool that, not long ago, you said you fucking had....

If you could check the superior documentation you said you have, you would see that the 7.3, the 6.0 and the 6.4 come from the factory WITHOUT wear sleeves.... The replacement seals (as supplied by Navistar and repackeged by Ford - a warranty requirement, no less) come with a wear sleeve... This sleeve is NOT an option.... You WILL install it.... period.

Both Ford AND ITEC admonish us not to separate the wear sleeve and seal... that they are to be installed as an assembly...

Of interesting note.... the assembly lube requirements have "recently" changed.... but us book-learning guys can't fix anything.... Jeez... the customer never comes back for the same thing twice - it's always something different.... he must be real mad at me if he wont let me fix his leak three or four times....

**** is such a nasty word.... I'm sure there is a good reason for......... prevarication.

-- Edited by PogoPossum on Wednesday 22nd of July 2009 01:19:21 AM

-- Edited by PogoPossum on Wednesday 22nd of July 2009 01:20:34 AM

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Of course new engines come without wear sleeves you effing idiot!

I NEVER claimed to have a special tool made by Fords to install rear main seals. I have always installed rear main seals using existing tools and I have not had any comebacks. I have installed sleeves, rear main seals, front crank seals, rear axle seals, and all sorts of seals since before you became a FoMoCo tit sucking baby. I dont have people coming back 3 or 4 times for oil seal problems like you do Pogo.

I hate to tell you this Pogo, but customer complaints show that they often times have to return to the dealer to have the same problems fixed more than once. As a matter of a fact its one of the reasons the 6.0 got a bad reputation to start with.

I think you better open your eyes. In another 2-3 years your dealership wont be seeing anymore 6.0 Powerstroke Diesels, because everyone will be out of warranty and taking them to the independents to get them fixed right the first time. Sure you guys may see a few that get turned into the dealer on trade, but thats about it.

Another area you seem to come up short is the fact that vehicles that are under warranty should be fixed right the first time, because FORDS is paying the bill. In the case of a independent, where the customer is paying out of their own pockets, its very comon for them to budget and return at a later date to have costly repairs spread over time. WTF is wrong with you Pogo? Did someone piss on your spark plugs?



-- Edited by SELLC on Wednesday 22nd of July 2009 04:34:02 AM

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PogoPossum wrote:

Holy fuck, butt man.... Rex.. this is a tool that, not long ago, you said you fucking had....

If you could check the superior documentation you said you have, you would see that the 7.3, the 6.0 and the 6.4 come from the factory WITHOUT wear sleeves.... The replacement seals (as supplied by Navistar and repackeged by Ford - a warranty requirement, no less) come with a wear sleeve... This sleeve is NOT an option.... You WILL install it.... period.

Both Ford AND ITEC admonish us not to separate the wear sleeve and seal... that they are to be installed as an assembly...

Of interesting note.... the assembly lube requirements have "recently" changed.... but us book-learning guys can't fix anything.... Jeez... the customer never comes back for the same thing twice - it's always something different.... he must be real mad at me if he wont let me fix his leak three or four times....

**** is such a nasty word.... I'm sure there is a good reason for......... prevarication.

-- Edited by PogoPossum on Wednesday 22nd of July 2009 01:19:21 AM

-- Edited by PogoPossum on Wednesday 22nd of July 2009 01:20:34 AM



Not only have the seal lubricant requirements recently changed...but they recently changed TWICE. furious

 



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