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You still haven't answered my question rex. 

For whoever posted anonymously above (Rex) you just need to chill out.  Having some common sense regulation to prevent another economic meltdown (like we used to have) doesn't automatically mean we convert to Socialism. 

I dont feel there was any real economic meltdown. It was Obama who ushered in this idea to get elected. People living beyond their means taking out rediculous loans they couldnt afford caused the melt down. The Socialism comes in when everyone else is expected to bail these people out, rather than make the people give back the shit they couldnt afford. Hell if that happend people could go buy back their houses from the banks at .50 cents on the dollar.

You're not as self-made as you think you are.  If your house is burning down, do you want to call around for bids from for-profit fire departments?  If you're being robbed, do you want to have the local private police departments compete for your business first?  Do you want to pay a toll every time you back out of your driveway on to a privately owned road? 

I am as self-made as I think I am. I dont gauge my wealth by the amount of money I have, or dont have for that matter. As for the fire departments and Police, they still get paid by way of tax dollars. Ask the person in PA whom died waiting on an Ambulance what he thinks of that system. Ever called the police in Detroit? You might be waiting a while. As for toll roads, well they usually stick to highways and I have never seen a toll road where the local government didnt fall short of building one. Even if they started making toll roads outside my driveway the law states they would have to allow me an easment if said toll road butted up to my driveway. How many toll roads you been on that werent spotless and in good condition?

Do you think we don't need any government and that the local good 'ol boys at the gun club could have defeated fascist Germany in WW2 more effectively than our socialized military? 

Ah-hem... Wasnt Nazi Germany a Socialist nation? Nuff said.

Do you think private schools can educate our nations kids cheaper than public schools?

Paid for in taxes and entrusted with local and federal government officials to spend wisely the money of many. Even still the private sector/citizen chips in to make it better when they can. Perhaps you should ask this question to people in Witchita KS where they must close half their schools because of wastefull spending and mis-management.

 Do you think the FDA is a waste of time and we should just trust private companies to sell us whatever drugs and food they feel like without any oversight or safety regulations?

FDA lives only because of the business that it regulates. They are entrusted with a lot of responsibility. Still there are things that they miss.

Do you think whites really are a superior race?

It would be considered racist for a white person to have pride now days, so I will decline to comment.

Do you believe the Veterans Affairs dept is a waste of money?

Are you a Veteran? If not how the hell would you know? I am not, so I wont speak for others whom may know how good or bad that dept may be.

That without a US postal service FedEx and UPS wouldn't gouge the fuck out of you?

The US Postal Service is not government owned. It's a private company for profit and it has made a 100% turn around ever since. Things like printing online labels, Flate Rate packages and door step pickup. If anything the US Postal Service is given an unfair advantage because of prior governement ownership. While the government has many regulators within the US Postal Service have you ever met a US Postal employee that didnt have an attitude problem? Like they are more holly than now for doing their job? Ever had to ship a large item?

 That our seniors don't deserve healthcare... Or our children... Or anyone unless some cynical white dude can make a profit by selling them insurance.  Do you think the anti-trust exemption for health insurers is a good idea?  Do you think your personal health insurance costs will go down if the government doesn't do something to stop the industry oligopoly?

Our seniors that retired from a private company enjoy wonderful bennifits after retirement. Our children, no matter what nationality or race WILL BE AFFORDED CARE no matter what. Not I, or a DR. could look at a child in need of care and deny them. YES I THINK MY HEALTH INSURANCE COST WOULD GO DOWN IF GOVERNMENT WOULD ALLOW INSURANCE COMPANIES TO COMPETE ACROSS STATE LINES. It is the government regulations you wish to help impose that put the strangle hold on free enterprise and punish the healthly.

  Do you think the un-regulated financial system that almost went off a cliff due to a flawed Greenspan theory that markets self regulate should still exist as is? 

I am pretty sure Greenspan was in play during the Clinton Administration. Ever hear of NAFTA?

Do you think your effort to keep as much of your own money is well served if the economy does crash?  Do you think your money would have any value at all if the government goes bankrupt???

Like I said earlier... My wealth is not measured in Dollars. If the government goes bankrupt it's because they tried to play god, rather than do their simple jobs at hand and budget the money they had to do it.

  Do you think our justice system that enforces contracts and creates the very soil from which private industry can grow should be done away with and replaced with anarchy?

Our justic system creates soil? Thats a new one PowerStroker, however its bullshit. The only soil our justice system creates comes out their mouth in the forum of bullshit. Enforces contracts? Really? Thats a joke because I see more corruption overlooked in the name of government than I have EVER seen from private industry. 

 Do you actually think it's cheaper to hire people to remove the bodies that pile up in the streets, rather than have any social safety net whatsoever? 

When's the last time you ever seen bodies piled up in the street PowerStroker? NEVER! And when Bush purchased coffins in bulk to prepare for such a catastrophe everyone was screaming concentration camps and mass genocide.

Should oil companies pay no penalty when a drunk tanker captain strikes an iceberg and dumps a million gallons of crude on to hundreds of miles of pristine shoreline and destroys another entire industry of private fishing?  Do you think that even after such an event there should be no regulation to demand double hulled oil tankers for fear that it may raise your annual fuel price by $3?

Should government officals pay no penalty when they choose to do things like cheat on their wife in the White House and derail the governement for a side show dog and pony act? Hell no! The oil spill that happend was an accident that could have been prevented but none the less people keep driving drunk. Maybe the government should make booze illegal? But instead it seems they are trying to legalize weed now too! Just what we need, stoned airline pilots and city workers protected in the name of Medical weed, administered by your nextdoor neighbor who set up shop in the house next door so your children can breath it while playing in the back yard! GREAT IDEA DEMOCRATS!

  Do you think the taxpayers got a good break when $2 million worth of bridge maintenance was neglected for the sake of cynical fucks like you not wanting to pay for upkeep on the infrastructure you enjoy every day, and instead have to pay a half billion to rebuild the bridge once it collapsed? 

Once again, mis-management of local government. Squandering tax dollars that should have went to maintenance all these years rearing its ugly head. Ever driven on roadways in a RED STATE? If so maybe you should try driving on roads in a BLUE STATE.

Do you think the taxpayers also got a good deal when we skipped out on maintaining those overly expensive levys around New Orleans prior to Katrina?

Katrina was a natural disater. The USA has hurricanes ALL THE TIME. No one could have known how badly this one was going to hit until AFTER it happend. You are aware the New Orleans has dried out and the big easy is back in business dont you? What is Obama doing about it to prevent it from happening again? Do you think people living on the coast line take a risk in doing so? Because the cost of shorefront land sure isnt going down.

Do you think we should have no national parks or wildlife refuges?

Again... Paid for by tax payers both Democratic and Republican. Dont squander the money, hire the right people.

 No military, but rather just hire the boys at Blackwater (Xe) and they will get the job done cheaper and more professional?

In cases where we are set up to look bad (Damned if we do and damned if we dont) YES. Replace the armed forces with private companies? NO. But it seems the Democrats would all but dis-ban the armed forces in an effort to squander that money if we let them.

  Do you think taxes are a punishment?

When them tax dollars are being squandered by politicians to line their wallets, and fly around like some kind of royalty then YES. If they are used wisely and reflect a positive outcome for the greater good of everyone then NO.

  Do you think starting 2 wars and cutting taxes for millionaires without paying for them was a good idea?

What does starting wars and cutting taxes for millionaires have anything to do with one another? Sounds like more Democratic propoganda to me.

  And that somehow the deficit that Obama inherited as a result is somehow his fault?

Bush inherited Clintons cooked books!? What makes Obama so special that he should be handed a bed of roses? Didnt he run for and win the election by eroding the American confedence using the deficit as his primary pitch? If he shot himself in the foot, then he should have been more careful with the loaded gun aka media. 

You need to go live in the sticks with a bunch of guns and a ham radio.

It would not matter PowerStroker, the Democrats would come looking for my sticks in an effort to give them to less fortunate people with stones in their head.

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PowerStroker wrote:

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Then why did Bush go to congress with his tail between his legs and ask for 700 Billion prior to the election?

Bush is a good man PowerStroker. He did it to counter all of the rhetoric that the Democrats fabricated in their power grab aka campaign. He did it because he didnt want the next President, be it a Republican or Democrat to suffer as a result of the dirty campain efforts that were lead by the democrats.
 

So it WAS you posting anonymously, how bout you grow some balz spew your garbage under one of your many logins?

How do you get that I post anonymously because I claim to be self made? Does it bother you that other people out there may feel the same way as I do? I am quite sure I could say just about anything in here without being banned, however unlike Democrats I have morals which prevent me from abusing such powers for my own selfish intrest.

That's my point Rex, that's socialism... Do you think all of the things funded by tax dollars are bad?  Because anything funded by tax dollars is SOCIALIST - oooooh scary.

PowerStroker, you need to wake the hell up! Government in of itself is not Socialist. The term socialisim comes in when Government tries to take over EVERYTHING, rather than doing a job that the majority elected them to do. Socialism is the result of a Government trying to take over. Get a grip, you are starting to sound like a loser.

Sounds to me like more of an argument to raise taxes for public serivces improvements rather than an argument to turn these survices over to private for profit companies.

I dont think giving a failed local government MORE MONEY is going to fix the orginal problem they have with mis-managing it. No one was suggesting to turn the school systems over to for profit companies. The problem lies with the elected officials whom were to spend the money wisely. These elected officials, rather than take pay cuts, or pull the plug on special intrest programs decided to cut schooling for kids, because they know Americans will come to their rescue for such a cause, because we wont stand for it. Thats why they have chosen to close almost half the public schools, rather than cut the fat in other areas the masses would not be so inclined to help with. Basiclly they are using the kids as a way to milk the nation for money they spent or sqandered foolishly.

That's because most of our roads are socialized, sometimes municipalities are afraid to raise taxes for fear of pissing off backwater fools like you and instead sell public roads to private companies,  how much do you like that?

Our roads are not socialized you idiot. They were built by people collecting pay checks or slaves of the corrections systems. Your ideas about socialism are way off base. You must quit making up your own meanings to big words PowerStroker.

Local governments are socialist too Rex, as long as they use taxpayer dollars to provide services to taxpayers.

Once again PowerStroker, you need to wake up. Just because WE elect people to perform these duties in a bi-partisan way does not in any way mean its socialist. What we have now where the Governement or Obama says "This new healthcare reform is what everyone needs" regardless of what the people think is Socialisim. There is no nation wide vote on this bill and thus it is Socialism at its purest form. Much like how Nazi Germany went from Socialist to Facist. GET A CLUE POWERSTROKER.

If you get rid of our socialist government, then who exactly do you expect to enforce these laws?  Law enforcement costs tax dollars bub.

Once again PowerStroker! OUT GOVERNMENT is not set up to be socialist, it is OBAMA who is trying to make it that way. Trying to push thru Heathcare reform without giving the people transparent information and without a vote of the nation makes him a socialist. The people elect their government whom are in charge of tasks the people deem nessisary. When Government decides the tasks that are nessisary without the vote of the people thats when it becomes Socialist. Tax dollars are not socialist dollars. Things like law enforcement, the military and public roads were all task the people deemed nessisary way before you ever come about PowerStroker. The management of these services that were voted on BY THE PEOPLE LONG ago is not by definition Socialist.   

Nazi Germany was a FACIST nation Rex, get a clue.  Facism is the extreme RIGHT wing of the political spectrum, just as Communism is the extreme LEFT wing of the political spectrum.  If you ever wonder which is more evil, keep in mind that we allied ourselves with the Left wing Communists in the USSR to defeat the Right wing Facists in Germany.  Either your socialized public school education has failed you, or you never had the potential to absorb the knowledge... I'm thinking the latter.

They were a socilist nation way before making the turn to Facist. It wasnt until Hitler started acting much like Obama where he felt his thoughts and idea's trumped that of the people that it made a turn to Facist. Hitler felt that he knew best for the people of Germany rather than the collective body of people voting for what was best. Hitler got away with it because idiots like you backed his ignorant notions until it was too late for them to turn back. I wont even address your last statement about our world class school system, as clearly you dont even know what Socialism is PowerStroker.


That is the very definition of SOCIALISM

I been over this almost 5 times now. Go back to school you idiot.

You didn't answer the question, would we be better without that socialist bureocracy?

Loaded question from someone who doesent even know what the word socialist means.

That's ok, I already know how you feel about your master race.
And yes, it is considered racist.

GO FUCK YOURSELF POWERSTROKER! I dont have ANYTHING bad to say about people of the other races. You are trying to stir up shit with your "Master Race" statement and it's quite clear. Now I have never seen you in person, nor in any photos but after hearing what you have said above and you're thinking government itself is a form of socalizim, I think you're a NIGGER. Do you know what NIGGER means PowerStroker? I am talking about the actual meaning of the word, not the slang.

You can't definitively give me a yes or no answer as to the question of whether it is a good idea to provide healthcare to combat wounded troops by using tax dollars?  Wow, some patriot you are.

Are you a verteran PowerStroker? If not then how the hell can you say this program is really working for the vets? I know you Democrats opperate under the idea that "It's this or nothing", but that shit dont fly around here. I cant give you a definitive answer about something I have never used, but a Democrat is willing to state definitively a program is good without ever have had to use it. That aught to say something about Obama-Care.


The US postal service IS owned by the government.  It is an independant government agency that was set up by congress and must now self support without any more tax dollar infusions.  The Postmaster General and board of governors are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.  I never said they were perfect, I asked if your shipping costs at UPS and FedEx would change without competition from the socialized USPS.

Independant agency set up by congress that must now support itself without any more tax dollar infusions? Sounds like a scam to me, just another burocratic monopoly that is allowed to fly under the radar while private business suffers. If USPS went under then yes, FedEx and UPS would compete to fill its shoes, there would still be competition, and instead of postal employees that have over infated ego's we would have respectfull people to deal with. I just love letting post employee's know they arent all that, it really shocks the hell out of them when you snap back at them and tell them loudly infront of the lines of people that they have an attitude problem. When I goto the post office I get spared the attitude.


The compete across state lines is a red hering.  There are only about 6 Health insurance companies in the US that own thousands of subsidiaries in different states.  The only thing that would happen if you allow them to "compete across state lines" is the lawyers would get rich unwinding the subsidiaries and everyone would just buy directly from the parent companies.  They aren't going to compete with themselves so your costs won't go down as a result.  This is what happens when there isn't enough Government regulation, and oligopoly forms.

Instead of the lawyers getting rich we have politicians getting rich. This is what happens when there is too much Government regulation. Define red hering. Then we will talk.


Yes, He was appointed by Reagan and served well in to the second Bush's term.  I'm not excusing everything Clinton did.  Unlike Republicans I don't walk lock step and fallin line with everything my party leader does.

Kind of blows your previous statement out of the water doesnt it? While you are looking up the word Nigger, try looking for the Hypocrite too. I'd be supprised if your photo wasnt in the caption to the side.

Then why do you care if your taxes go up?

Did you look up the word Nigger yet PowerStroker? Cuz you sure are fitting that mold.

Kind of like when they started 2 wars and a millionare tax cut without paying for it, I agree.

Again, more Democratic propoganda with absolutly no explanation.
 
So who would you rather have enforce contracts then, hired thugs?

I dont care who enforces contracts so long as they are honest and have integrity.

Because we have a social safety net.

Still waiting for the definition of the word Nigger PowerStroker.

I haven't heard that story.  Good thing he started a couple wars so we didn't waste any tax dollars on those coffins.

Hey idiot, they have already been purchased and are in storage right at this very moment.

Exon spilled more juice than Clinton.  Clinton's blowjob was a little less destructive than Exon's spil, let's get real would ya.  And Clinton did pay for it politically.

Did he? I think is was America whom paid the ultimate price.

Actually you right wingers succeeded in that idea once, it was called Prohibition, and it didn't work out very well.

It was the right wingers? Are you saying that Democracts alone suffer from drinking problems? I knew there was a reason you guys cant get anything right.... You're drunk most of the time!


I find it hard to believe that none of your Republican friends from the white pride rally haven't tried some.

Fuck you Nigger. I have never been to a white pride rally. I guess we can add Pot head to the list right under drunk for reasons why Democrats would think the nation would "Trust them" to amend the healthcare bill since their numbers dont add up. Too much smoking pot and getting drunk will make things seem any way your self serving mind wants. Sober up PowerStroker.

I'm a Minnesotan, and I know all too well that the bridge maintenance funding was Vetoed by Governor Pawlenty REPUBLICAN.  But after the collapse he was more than willing to find an extra 2 million dollars to run a second investigation as to why it collapsed... That way if the Feds investigation was politically damaging to him, he could just cite his own investigation.

He likley vetoed it because Democrats claimed to have built it right the first time around. Guess thats what drinking and drugging will get you.

Republicans blocked funding for levy improvements a couple years prior to Katrina, it would have been a LOT cheaper to do that, you Republicans have no idea how important it is to invest in our infrastructure untill it's too late and you're stuck with the bill to replace it.

I figure if it fails, then it should be build from the ground up anyway. Whats the use of fixing a poor design? Oh thats right, you Democrats are looking for job security so you can keep drug'n and drink'n.

Hopefully he can get some more funding in his federal budget for this.

Hopefully he can find someone to build the damn thing right this time. Keep throwing good money at bad, soon you will be all washed up.

It's still Socialism, which is my point.  You guys try to make it a dirty word, when actually it's often the best way to do things.

No its not socialism, its government. Gawd you are so ignorant sometimes. Go back up and READ.

No, the Dems want to make it more efficient for the taxpayers by getting rid of some pentagon pork like cold war era stuff.

Yeah sure... Obama wont stop until America is a 3rd world nation. We will have to goto war with knifes and stones fighting terrorist using our weapons by the time they get done selling all our stuff to the terrorist.

Even Republican Speakers of the House get a plane Rex.

Do they get a 747 like Pelosi just so she doesnt have to make a stop to refuel on the way home? Or do they fly on smaller planes?

They are both ways the Republicans have caused your taxes to increase down the road.

Not true.

Bush inheritted Clinton's 5 Trillion dollar surplus.

Sorry but Clinton's 5 trillion dollar surplus bubble POPED! Democrats are famous for selling bad paper. If Clinton hadnt cooked the books then perhaps Bush wouldnt have had to fix the correction. You ever hear of a scandle called White Water? Well Clintons 5T surpuls made that look like childs play.
 
He won because he appealed to our hopes instead of our fears.

He won because he pitched doom and gloom. He stated America was going bankrupt, that the world as America knew it was coming to an end. His whole campaign was Hope and Change. Just how effective would that have been if he wasnt pitching doom and gloom?

 

I'll tell them to leave you alone.

You are just a grease monkey. Your just a file Democrat who is too ashamed to admit you made a bad choice. You have no affiliation with anyone in power except to say you were dumb nigger who fell for the hype. Sorry if the truth hurts.

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