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SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Monster F350 Super Duty

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:

Looks like they totally did away with the gear box and they have a hydrolic ram similar to the ones found on the old Mavricks

It still has a drag link going up to something though... I'll bet that thing is just for assisting the existing steering gear - not replacing it.

Nice truck though, for those with a tiny penis anyway.

PogoPossum · RIP - Veteran User

Drool on the keyboard? Nothing screams "I have a tiny package" louder than a truck like that. All that's missing is a set of wheels....

I can imagine the vibration on acceleration that those driveline angles must offer.

-- Edited by PogoPossum on Sunday 23rd of May 2010 03:36:07 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:

It still has a drag link going up to something though... I'll bet that thing is just for assisting the existing steering gear - not replacing it.

Nice truck though, for those with a tiny penis anyway.

No, I checked and there is no gear box! I was like WTF!?

That tie rod bar goes from side to side and hooks to nothing but that hydro. ram! The front diff cover is special and has ears for the ram to mount on. No pitman arm, no idler arm. Just a straight bar with tie rod ends going from one side to the other.

That truck would be AWSOME in the mud!

BTW, nice "Dick Spoke" rims Pogo! LOL I think that has to be a photo-shopped image because who in the hell would manufature something like that? Then again whoever designed this must have had dick on the brain.

-- Edited by SELLC on Sunday 23rd of May 2010 08:23:43 PM

Scrot · Senior Guest

SELLC wrote:

whoever designed this must have had dick on the brain.

Rex has dick on his breath

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

This coming for a scrot like you!?

Nutz filed his form for name infringement and is requesting you cease all activity under your screen name and hand him over the password.

PogoPossum · RIP - Veteran User

FWIW, I think you need to look a little closer....

The truck appears to have a licence plate... and FMVSS requires a mechanical connection between driver input controls and the actual steering linkage.

The steering ram in the pic appears to have been supplied by LEE steering and is a set up similar to this One Up offering.

You will notice in your pic that there is a diagonal track bar mounted to the top of the diff housing and, in front of that, there is a drag link that extends from the right front knuckle area to an area corresponding to the usual placement of the steering gear.

Without the mechanical connection, it wouldn't take much of a hydraulic failure to make your day real bad.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I am sorry Pogo but I am just not seeing this link to the steering gear. I was there in the flesh and I am telling you the hydro ram is the only thing that I could see that moves the wheels. Even in your photo above I can not see anything representing a pitman arm, nor is there a gearbox in sight.

Also important to realize is your truck in the photo has coil over shocks, while the one I shown is leaf sprung with hydro rams. Quite a diffrence there yet still no up close image of where you claim the steering connects to a gearbox.

PogoPossum · RIP - Veteran User

You can't see a pitman arm because of the angle of the photo.. however, you can see a track bar and something else that isn't a track bar. There would be little sense in having two nearly parallel track bars...

Your photos (the ones where you spent all your time creaming your jeans instead of being objective) don't show a pitman arm either... for the same reason - it isn't there to be seen in that angle. However, it also shows two bars... one will be a track bar and the other a ???? Come on, man - you can't be that dense.

Important to realize that in 2005, the SuperDuty switched to coil spring front suspension... and all of these trucks have a steering box. With all of this, one needs to have a certain amount of familiarity with the system. You profess to know everything and feel superior in some of your past achievements. - however dubious that feeling of wellness should be.

FWIW, you are familiar with FMVSS... right?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Creaming my jeans!? LOL! Ill have you know I looked all over for the gear box because I could not beleive it myself. Next time I am out that way Ill even check once more. It's not the angle, and I am pretty sure them bars you speak of are only stabalizer bars, nothing to do with steering. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that I didnt miss anything. The reason you cant see the gear box and such is because its not there.

FMVSS? No I dont know what that is you are speaking of, why dont you tell me.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Rex, I'm going to do you the courtesy of telling you right now that you're wrong. You can heed my warning, or you can continue to dig yourself into another deep hole.

Remember what makes me come out of the bushes??? Yup, you just stepped on your dick again. All that's left to answer now is how hard are you going to continue stepping on it.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 24th of May 2010 10:07:26 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Okay so it does appear to have a gear box, I checked some more photos and apparently along with that hydro ram it has a bar that extands to the passengers side front hub and applies the pressue there. Very odd but it appears that I was mistaken about the gear box being deleted.

No need to crawl out of the bushes PowerStroker. I attached a photo that supports both you and Pogo's claims.

Now does anyone want to talk caster adjustments on this beast? LOL

-- Edited by SELLC on Monday 24th of May 2010 10:32:49 PM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

By golly Pogo, I think Rex is actually starting to be a little less stubborn, and a little more open minded!

Good on you Rex!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

If I am mistaken about something I admit it. I have always been that way.

You guys on the other hand, just change the subject. LOL

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I seem to recall a thread about alignment adjustments on an 89 Ford truck with loose steering that would contradict your statement above.

Perhaps you should revisit that thread and read some of the crap you wrote.

http://autotrend.activeboard.com/index.spark?aBID=91042&p=3&topicID=34148535

There you go, it's a good read.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 24th of May 2010 11:08:13 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

And I still contend that from the FACTORY the caster is non-adjustable without installing replacement parts/cams.

The 1/8 inch toe in was infact printed in literature in the early 80's as a way to help with road crown. While I do not have that manual anymore since almost 30 years have gone by I have also agreed that vehicles with provisions to adjust caster would compensate for road crown by making a caster adjustment to the passengers front tire.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Toe is never used to compensate for road crown, NEVER EVER

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:

Toe is never used to compensate for road crown, NEVER EVER

Never EVER say NEVER PowerStroker....

You are aware that some vehicles do not have caster adjustments right? And unlike the Ford trucks you work on some vehicles dont even have the option to install parts to make them adjustable.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I am aware, and I stand by my statement that toe is never ever a compensation for road crown. For vehicles with no caster adjustment it would be more acceptable to adjust camber to compensate, because at least camber can affect a vehicle's pull without too much detriment to tire wear if done within reason. But even many vehicles that don't have a caster adjustment can often have it adjusted through a cradle adjustment or slotting some holes manually... Generally if it comes to that though you're dealing with some bent suspension components and you'd better be looking at SAI, scrub radius, and included angle to try to figure out what to replace. Either that or you're dealing with a ride height issue that's different from side to side, or even a tire pull or dragging brakes are also possible.

PogoPossum · RIP - Veteran User

SELLC wrote:

PowerStroker wrote:

Toe is never used to compensate for road crown, NEVER EVER
Never EVER say NEVER PowerStroker....

You are aware that some vehicles do not have caster adjustments right? And unlike the Ford trucks you work on some vehicles dont even have the option to install parts to make them adjustable.

You should have stopped while you were ahead...

On your SuperDuty, caster/camber IS adjustable... thats what the the offset bushings (what I like to call "slugs") are all about. Yes it's adjustable.. no, not in the pussy way you want. In the grand scheme of things, unless one of these slugs is siezed, it takes about 15 or 20 minutes to change the slug and measure your change.. For various reason, it can be difficult to predict the change you will measure but close (done properly) is usually good enough. Like I've said... alignments are one third technology, one third art and one third magic.

While a Taurus or similar appears to have "NO" caster/camber adjustment, there is a limited amount of motility if we move the engine cradle. For some strange reason, you will deem this adjustability as nonadjustability - but I do this as part of my living so what the fuck do I know? I'm not an expert like the guy that doesn't have an alignment rack. At the very least, we can adjust the camber split... and there are times when this is all that is needed.

Not adjustable on a Taurus will have me and my die grinder slotting holes if needed. And that isn't limited to Taurus.

Some "non-adjustable" front ends will have you turn the tip strut mount (a la Escape).

FWIW... if I adjust camber on an old Chev or RWD big Ford using shims... Why is that "adjustable". And If I adjust camber on a SuperDuty using shims (offset bushings) why is that not adjustable?

Sidebar... I have owned several convertibles in my life... I have one now - an 05 Mustang and sorry, it's a V6. Anyway, this would be about convertible number 6. People that have never owned convertibles keep telling me how drafty, noisy, cold and whatever else they "are". Why are they telling me this?

I have performed I do not recall how many wheel alignments.. why are you trying to tell me some of this shit?

FWIW.. you can adjust toe all you want... it will never compensate for road crown (but if you tamper with "clear vision" (Ford speak for centering the steering wheel) you can have the wheel in the straight ahead position as you fight the pull to one side or the other. Kind of a useless endeavour... but you appear to be the guru. <COUGH COUGH>. While you are jacking with toe in, be aware that improper toe settings are second only to improper inflation as a cause for premature tire wear.

FMVSS? My fuck... this is the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. The Canadiain equivalent is the CMVSS and has a few differences (very few) from FMVSS . FWIW, FMVSS has nothing to do with CAFE nor EPA standards. You fix cars and you aren't aware of these safety standards? Could you also be unaware of something called "accepted industry practice"? This is getting scarey...

While you brandish 1/8th toe in as being a compensation for road crwon... you negelct to mention what car... what manual... whatever you gleened that little misinterpreted factoid from. WSMs (workshop manuals) have a section on alignment angles... They have the prefered setting aloing with the "allowable" (what the engineers think) range .. do mnot think for one instant that you can get away with anything "in range" and have something enjoyable to drive. With your poor knowledge of wheel alignments, you currently fail to understand how caster on one side can relate to caster on the other...

My best advice... don't prattle on about stuff that you obviously don't know... yes, Rex... it shows...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

We all know them guys who have an industry term for everything and at any given moment they could talk their way out of a situation using fancy words and suggestions for totally unrelated matters. Cough... Cough.... These people usually can't fix a car worth a shit but they always have something to say.