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More bad trade deals that hurt the USA from the Democrats !


 Oh here we go again! As if Clintons NAFTA and the WTO wasn't bad enough now we have Obama trying to get us in another mess with India!

Apparently this guy is just dying to tear apart the nation, what with his week long trip to Asia rumoring to cost American tax payers $200 Million dollars a day, and then he goes on to memorialize the Mumbai attack victims even though he couldn't find the time to visit Arlington cemetery on memorial day due to his plans to kick back with friends in Chicago. Here he is memorializing the Mumbai attacks in India, all the while supporting an Islamic mosque being built at 911's WTC's ground zero!

Oh how I can not wait for 2012! We need to impeach him before he gets this nation another 2 years and countless trillions behind!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40039589/ns/politics



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I'm very worried about this move by the president.

I would ask you to do some more fact checking on your claim that his trip costs 200 Million per day. I realize there are many right wing sources claiming this right now, and all of them sourcing eachother as credible, but the truth is not on their side.

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I'm very worried about this move by the president.


Are you really PowerStroker? If so then fucking SHOW IT!

You and the Democrats are the masters of distraction! While everyone is looking one way, you guys are going the other way! What does this mean? It means this, while everyone is up in arms about the 1.4 Billion dollars Obama's trip to Asia is goin to cost us, no one is paying attention to the fact that his trade deal will cost Americans TRILLIONS of dollars!

Why run from forum to forum posting up the same video? You trying to make more work for me here PowerStroker? I mean for gods sake at least show us something other than some lesbian cunt and her vampire stories to back your claim. I mean that whole video is just a repeat of a Governmnet official saying that they don't relese the amount of money spent to send a President overseas. No where did that guy ever say the amount was false, just that they do not release that information.

Now anyone with any brains can just DO THE MATH and figure out what 40 airplanes, security for Obama and his 2000 friends, jet fuel, food, hotels ect. Why dont you find us a video that actually does the math? I think you might be shocked.

Obama has screwed the pooch! And he is about to screw it BIG TIME with this trade agreement he's going to sign. What happend to letting Americans see this kind of stuff before it gets signed? All this talk about how much money Obama is wasting going there, and not a peep about the agreement he is set to sign that could cost us trillions.

I expected more from you PowerStroker! We all did!

 



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But see Rex, the $200,000,000 price tag wasn't the only part of the lie. The 40 air planes and 34 war ships was another part of the lie.

When you stop dealing in facts, I become bitchy.

Please do us both a favor and watch 15 minutes of Rachel Maddow, just this one time... As a personal favor to me. I realize it's hard for you to stomach, but aside from our political differences and education, you and I have somewhat similar personalities. That said, I think something inside you finds nobility in truth, and whether you realize it or not, you are not dealing in truth on this issue. I much prefer our debates of Liberalism vs Conservatism when the rules for such debates are that truth is essential. When truth is no longer a prerequisate for our discussions, then I no longer see a purpose for having discussions with you at all.

Please take some time and watch Rachel for me, and think really hard about where it is that you first heard the story about the cost for Obama's trip, and think really hard about where you verified that information to be "true." Then get back to me and let me know if you still believe it. And if you do, I would appreciate a link showing how members of congress voted on the special expenditure for this India trip, because lord knows that even if Obama spent his entire white house operating and travel budget for the year, it would never come close to covering the cost of a $200 Million dollar trip. And if you know anything about civics, you would know that all spending must originate in the House of Representitaves. The president does not have the power to raise his budget. There is a seperation of powers for a reason, one of which is so that such an abuse of taxpayers isn't even possible without a whole lot of people voting for it to be. I want to see some voting records on this issue. Citing Fox News, and verifing the information with Rush Limbaugh doesn't meet the truth test, and deep down, you know it.

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Slow down PowerStroker... You are putting the carrige before the horse.

Let's just look at the CORE issues here. I am going to put aside the $200 million dollar per day estimate for the rest of my responce, that way it will not cloud our getting to the truth.

Didn't Obama campaign on the premiss of transparancy? That being the case, how come no one has heard anything about this trade deal with India until now?

Why does Obama feel that on a business trip he can take his family and visit a festival like it was some kind of vacation? Don't you feel that if he want's to take a vacation after his Presidency (JOB) is over, he can foot the bill and fly his family to India to attend these festivites?

Do you know how much a room at the Taj Mahal cost per night? I am talking about a Presidential Suite, which Obama has the right to stay given he is a President. However the rest of his cronies should be at the econo-lodge with a web cam uplink to his suite. 

How many airplanes would be needed to fly 2000-3000 people over to India and all around Asia? Let's not forget all of these people are not in just one city airport. 

These are the underlying problems here. It's not a money thing as the Democrats are trying hard to shift peoples attention from the sole reason Obama is there, to sign a trade agreement that most people have never even heard of until now. 

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You still believe he took 2000-3000 people, I forgot to mention that was another part of the lie.

Please try again.

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Was it?

Could you go fetch us some official documents proving your bullshit claims? The Maddow show does not count.

Please try again.

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Just watch it already

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PowerStroker I wont even entertain it! This would be like me trying to present a Fox News Media story with Rush Limbaugh as the host!

Please try again. Look up the term credible news desk in your open challenge thread.

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Don't you think CNN's Anderson Cooper is credible? He's in Rachels thing repeatedly.

If you asked me to sit through 15 minutes of Rush Limbaugh ONE TIME, because it was important to you, I would.

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I did watch the first few minutes. After the vampire claims, and then the Unicorn meat I was pretty much turned off. Unlike you the fact that someone could be so brazenly wasting money on what appears to be a vacation I was in no mood for comedy. I also been fighting with these assholes who host this forum, so forgive me if my humor cap has been misplaced.

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I'm very worried about this move by the president. I would ask you to do some more fact checking on your claim that his trip costs 200 Million per day. I realize there are many right wing sources claiming this right now, and all of them sourcing eachother as credible, but the truth is not on their side.


 

$200 million dollars PER DAY PowerStroker! Think of the manpower involved - logistics, EVERYTHING AS A WHOLE! 

You can't see $200 million per day!? C'mon!



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The entire White House operating budget for a year is around 60-70 million. The notion that he spent triple that on a single trip will require some proof on your part.

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The entire White House operating budget for a year is around 60-70 million. The notion that he spent triple that on a single trip will require some proof on your part.


 

 

60-70 million?

 

 

 

Travel is not included at all in that number....

You are conflating the actual grounds of the white house budget to the entire presidential white house budget...

The cost of the grounds maintenance and general staff come in at roughly $80 million...

The overall Total white House expense when you factor in travel and secret service cost is well over $1.5B annually...

Travel is by far the most EXPENSIVE thing ANY president does...

 

The real answer is exceedingly complicated. In addition to the annual congressional budget for the operation of the White House,

there are over 22 other budget accounts, in 13 different departments, that pay the expenses and salaries of the White House staff.

 

 

 



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So do you actually believe Rex's assertion that his trips cost $200 Million per day? Or are you only going after Democrats here?

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So do you actually believe Rex's assertion that his trips cost $200 Million per day? Or are you only going after Democrats here?


 No idea how much Obama travel cost were...

 

Just pointing out the simplistic 60-70 million is way off base...when you are also factoring in travel cost which is the biggest cost of every sitting president...logistics and protection are expensive...



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That's nothing, that a few congress critters is all. Look what agencies blew at end of year so they "use not lose" . Forbes too so PS will approvebiggrin There is another article I'll have to find again and it's actually much more.

I'm very familiar with this and they mess with you personally too. Puget Sound Naval Shipyard as Marine electrician, ships liaison sail with them (they toss mega millions overboard so they don't have to inventory. PSNS just as bad. So they did not lose their 12K workforce (6K would do it if they weren't lazy not have to work slugh) they had to make it always appear we were VERY busy. Their solution? Force us to take 2 vacation days, our own days during the week, sometimes just 1. Then force us to work both days OT on the weekend. Nice ruse ehh? NOAA? Same deal with spend $ or lose so Chief would send us to get tools, whatever. However NOAA budget was not very big at all! A joke really. Cheif electrician there, wanted me to install battle lanterns throughout a 303 foot ship. They gave me 3 battle lanterns for the entire ship. My choice, anchor windlass room was one!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2017/10/03/use-it-or-lose-it-the-federal-governments-11-billion-year-end-spending-spree/#249d0b5d7697

 

Use It Or Lose It -- Trump's Agencies Spent $11 Billion Last Week In Year-End Spending Spree

 

 

$11.1 billion spent by federal agencies in the final week of FY2017OPENTHEBOOKS.COM

Every September, the end of the fiscal year sparks a use it or lose it spending frenzy as federal agencies race to use up whats left in their annual budgets. Its a phenomenon that should drive taxpayers crazy. Agencies are afraid that if they spend less than their budget allows, Congress might send them less money in the next year. Agencies often try to spend everything thats left instead of admitting they can operate on less.

Here are the top ten ways the government wasted taxpayer money in the last week of FY2017:

1. The Swamp Starts Here Even the president was in on this years spending frenzy. In the last week of FY2017, President Donald Trump's office alone spent $21.8 million, which is more than three times the $6 million former President Barack Obama's office spent to close out FY2016. Trump's spending included $6.2 million in electrical hardware and supplies; $490,000 on tents and tarps; $489,517 on furniture; $10,612 on floor coverings; and $197,438 on newspapers and periodicals

2. Booze-Based Diplomacy The State Department spent nearly $79,000 on booze for ten American embassies including Nigeria ($4,288), Peru ($4,453), Denmark ($4,736), Belgium ($6,760), Zambia ($6,429), and Sri Lanka ($9,613).

 

3. Armored Vehicles for HHS In then-Secretary Tom Price's final week in office, the Department of Health and Human Services led the charge, spending more than $2 billion. This spending included a $1.5 million deal with Square One Armoring Services Company for a fleet of armored vehicles.

4. Guns, Ammo, and Military-Style Equipment Non-military agencies embarked on a one-week arms race, spending $7.3 million on guns, ammunition, and weapons. The Department of Homeland Security ($4.4 million) and the Department of Justice ($1.6 million) bought the most weaponry. However, The Department of Agriculture, for example, spent $306,617 on guns from Glock, Inc., plus an array of ammunition. In addition to guns and ammo, agencies loaded up on night vision equipment ($1.5 million); personal armor ($3.5 million); and combat, assault, and tactical vehicles ($284,457).

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5. Insect and Rodent Control at the VA The federal government did some end-of-the-year cleaning, paying $152.5 million in housekeeping bills. While agencies paid $114 million to guards and facilities operations support, they also signed for custodial janitorial ($24.3 million); laundry and dry cleaning ($2.9 million); surveillance ($2.7 million); trash and garbage collection ($1 million); carpet cleaning ($630,943); interior plantscaping ($154,458); and snow removal/salt ($127,373). Housekeeping contracts included insect and rodent control, which cost $111,000 at the Department of Veterans Affairs.

6. Redecorating Allowance For the new fiscal year, many federal agencies decided to redecorate. In one week, the government spent $83.4 million on furniture plus another $23 million on office supplies and equipment. The Department of Veterans Affairs spent $15.6 million on new office furniture including $4.7 million to a veteran-owned company, American Veteran Office Furniture, LLC. The largest furniture contractor across all agencies, however, was Knoll, Inc. ($6.2 million) a luxury furniture company that has 40 pieces permanently displayed in the American Museum of Modern Art in New York City.

7. Self-Promotion (PR) Machine The government spent tens of millions of dollars on last-minute self-promotion. Agencies spent $18.6 million on public relations, $11.7 million on market research and public opinion, and $5.5 million on communications. Further, $28.8 million went to advertising efforts the Department of Homeland Security spent $15 million on advertising, including a $6.7 million deal with Lempugh, Inc., and a $4 million contract with the Ogilvy Group. Further, the Department of Veterans Affairs spent $3.2 million on signs and advertising displays with S2 Ventures, LLC.

8. We're Watching You The Department of Homeland Security closed out its drone budget with a $235,000 unmanned aircraft purchase. The Department of Agriculture also splurged on a last-minute unmanned aircraft for $17,006.

9. Driving Up Taxpayer Costs Federal agencies revved up spending to $10.3 million on passenger vehicles. The General Services Administration spent $4 million on vehicles, while the Department of Justice, the State Department, and the Department of Health and Human Services spent nearly $2 million each. While Miscellaneous Foreign Awardees made $1.5 million on these contracts, $1.4 million went to Ford Motor Company, $767,847 went to General Motors, and $119,510 went to Chrysler.

10. The Emperor Has No Clothes Fourteen agencies splurged on a new $3.5 million wardrobe the Department of State and the Department of Homeland Security each spent more than $1 million on clothing, outerwear, and footwear in a one-week shopping spree.

In the midst of the governments year-end spending spree, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) introduced the Bonuses for Cost-Cutters Act to curb use it or lose it spending. Paul's bill would expand current law to pay bonus happy bureaucrats who identify unneeded or surplus funds and redirect 90 percent of those savings to deficit reduction.

The private-sector uses zero-based budgeting - where all expenses need to be justified from the ground up and every function within an organization is audited for cost. As a businessman, the president should know this.

Whether its passing legislation or finding another way to address this taxpayer abuse, Congress needs to crack down on use it lose it spending. When agencies engage in this wasteful practice, we all lose.

Adam Andrzejewski (say: Angie-eff-ski) is the Founder and CEO of OpenTheBooks.com a national transparency organization with a database of 4 billion federal, state and local expenditures.

When referencing this piece, please use the following citation: 'Adam Andrzejewski, CEO of OpenTheBooks.com, as published at Forbes.'



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You seem disappointed about the wastefulness of this system Shawnee. But did you realize it is the extra money we give these departments that don't actually need it, that is going to pay for your precious wall?

If we do away with the aforementioned system, then the Military won't have an extra slush fund from which an "emergency" will allow for a reallocation to wall funding.

Sounds like you have to do some soul searching about what you care more about; fiscal responsibility, or border security. You don't get both my friend.

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Sounds like you have to do some soul searching about what you care more about; fiscal responsibility, or border security. You don't get both my friend.


 

Actually we should get BOTH...

 

Congress can balance the budget...they refuse to....

 

border security is WHY we pay taxes not all these other things democrats want to waste money on...

 

There is no reason to not build the walls that are asked for...

 

Democrats want to claim drugs come through at ports of entry....

 

YES they do...

 

They also come across where there are no walls...

 

turns out by weight it is about 50/50 ports of entry versus bare areas....

 

The only reason democrats are dug in on this issue is they can not stand the thought of any form of compromise with Trump...

 

Republicans were the same under Obama...

 

It is what our country has come to...

 

But it is funny watching democrats who claimed they would never be so obstructive of a republican president be just as obstructive as the republicans were...

 



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I dunno dude, there are some Republicans who not only oppose the wall, but are casting votes of disapproval on his tactic of raiding the military to pay for this without Congressional approval, isn't that obstructive too?

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You seem disappointed about the wastefulness of this system Shawnee. But did you realize it is the extra money we give these departments that don't actually need it, that is going to pay for your precious wall?

If we do away with the aforementioned system, then the Military won't have an extra slush fund from which an "emergency" will allow for a reallocation to wall funding.

Sounds like you have to do some soul searching about what you care more about; fiscal responsibility, or border security. You don't get both my friend.


 It's not going to the wall they spend it all in the last couple months to make it appear they need that much. 



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... Which means they don't actually need that much, but because they have been doing this all along they have it anyway. And then the president takes some of it away to build a wall before they have a chance to spend it on other stupid things before their fiscal year expires. So if they didn't engage in this practice, Trump wouldn't have access to said slush fund to build his wall right??? So you are left with the same dilemma: Do away with the wasteful system and with it any slush fund Trump could tap in to, or leave it alone and continue building dumb stuff without Congressional approval.

Choose one:

A. Fiscal Responsibility by doing away with the aforementioned system.

B. Border Wall without Congressional approval.

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He should take some away vs them blowing it all.

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Or we could just make it so they get an incentive for returning any surplus to the Treasury, like a lot of private corporations do.

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They won't do it, spend frivolous so they get the same the next year. That's what they want.

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