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Yet another one of Newt's scams


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Gingrich's Charity Paid Money to Gingrich's Business

 

A charity founded by Newt Gingrich paid Gingrich's for-profit company $220,000 over two years, ABC News reports. The non-profit, Renewing American Leadership, was meant to spur conversation about restoring Christian principles in Washington, and mostly did that through letters seeking donations. The list of people who responded to those letters with checks was given to Gingrich--something that would be very valuable to a potential presidential candidate building support early in the campaign. ReAL, as the non-profit is called, also paid full-price for Gingrich's books and DVDs. ABC News asked Gingrich for comment ahead of a speech in New Hampshire, but the candidate would only respond, "I'm not concerned about that. The American people aren't concerned about that. Try covering the speech."

"Newt Inc." as Gingrich's many organizations are called, has helped Gingrich stay in the public eye and his ideas in the public debate since he left office as Speaker of the House in the late 1990s. It has also made him rich: he bought a $1 million home in the suburbs of Washington, secured a $500,000 line of credit from Tiffany's, and, most recently, went on a two-week luxury cruise, the last of which cited as a reason for many of his campaign staff quitting en masse. Figuring out how all his organizations work together can be tricky, ABC News explains:

It is often difficult to tell where the work of one Gingrich entity ends and where the work of another begins. For instance, money raised by a political group he founded, American Solutions, paid for millions of dollars worth of charter jet flights Gingrich took to crisscross the country promoting the movies of his production company. He made paid public speeches that helped fill the accounts of his communications firm and promote the ideas developed by yet another business, a for-profit think tank called the Center for Health Transformation.

 

Gingrich's spokesman of 12 years--until last week--Rick Tyler, led ReAL, which paid Gingrich Communications $200,000 a year as compensation for Tyler's salary, ABC reports. Though it was Gingrich's name and face splashed all over ReAL's materials, Gingrich did not sit on the board. That meant Gingrich did not have to disclose payments made to his consulting firm by the non-profit. Tyler, who spent 20 hours a week working for the non-profit, said he never asked Gingrich to join the board because he didn't want to take up any more of his time. Before Tyler quit, he insisted that ReAL didn't pay for political activity and "did nothing to promote anyone's political career," he told ABC.


Related: Newt Gingrich Isn't Sorry for Anything

Daniel Borochoff, president of the American Institute of Philanthropy, told ABC, "The spirit of operating a non-profit organization is to work for the public good regardless of the politics that are involved... I believe it violates that spirit." Borochoff said of Gingrich's use of ReAL's donor list, "If in fact Mr. Gingrich is receiving [Renewing American Leadership's] list for free then this is an abuse of the American charitable organization system. Charitable organizations are not allowed to intervene in political campaigns. Generating and then giving away a list of donors, who support and share the views of a particular political candidate is a misuse of tax-subsidized, charitable resources."



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Walks like a Democrat, talks like a Democrat......

He must be....



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Getting an early start on the campaign trail PowerStroker?

Does ole' Newt frighten you guys? C'mon everyone knew the dude was a Republican when the name Tiffanys came up.

Well informed and uber smart, but he lacks a personality. It's going to take one hell of a bullshitting sweet talker to top Obama.



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Walks like a Democrat, talks like a Democrat......

He must be....


 I thought you were talking about me...  That's why I said well informed and uber smart. 

 

You think I have anything nice to say about Newt???  You know me better than that.

 



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I think Romney could match Obama bullshit for bullshit but he does not seem to be pouring it on.

On the other hand Obama does have experience now (at our expense) but exactly how could one prepare for a Presidency unless they lived the life with a family member.

Still... Obama has been making things happen the past few months... Now if only he could stumble on to about 14.5 Trillion bucks within the next 10 months I think he would reach "Legend" status and sweep the election.

As a Republican, I must admit I'm a little worried... But then again that is one advantage a sitting President has over their competition.... They can actually do their job and get an early start on a good campaign.

I don't feel anything you listed above about Newt is any worse than things I have read about Obama's cronies and donors. Just seem's like the rats are coming out swinging early.



-- Edited by SELLC on Wednesday 15th of June 2011 10:54:15 PM

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Well, if all you want is for the US Treasury to start taking in more than it dishes out. All President Obama has to do is not agree to another extension of the Bush tax cuts for the top 2 percent, and get us out of Afghanistan and Iraq. I know those were fun little ventures for those with blood lust, but it was damn expensive.

Also closing a bunch of corporate tax loopholes would help a lot too.

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Are you suggesting we should rape and pillage American business to the tune of $14.5 trillion PowerStroker?

Would that make it easier on the books when Obama's 14.5 Trillion dollar heathcare fiasco hits the books?

*sigh*

If claim the Democrats are going to save us all from the Republicans then who is going to save us from the Democrats?



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I'm just asking for businesses to pay their fair share. Do you realize, that you pay a higher percentage of your income in taxes than Bill Gates and Warren Buffett?

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I'm just asking for businesses to pay their fair share. Do you realize, that you pay a higher percentage of your income in taxes than Bill Gates and Warren Buffett?


 Maybe a higher percentage but that's just another famous Democrat lie by confusing the truth.

If someone pay's 1 million in taxes, yet earned 10 million it would be like 10% of their wages.

If someone pays $10,000 in taxes for a year, and earned $30,000 for that year the percentage is much higher while the dollar amount WAY LOWER. There is also income tax returns where as the Democrats completely leave that out of the figuring. If the guy making $30,000 had a wife and three kids he would get most all of that back at the end of the year, while the guy who paid $1 million in taxes on his $10 million per year business isn't going to get shit back. Of course your buddy Obama wants to take away the child tax credit and stick it to the middle class along with the upper class. At least Bush cared about American families and tried to dole out the money in the form of Tax credits and incentives to help American families..... ALL AMERICAN FAMILES.

So... really your claims are BS left wing propaganda. Business men with big money hire tax professionals to ferret out write off's and tax breaks, plus these companies are also collecting the payroll taxes for the government and sending them in. Sure the guy working puts in the hours, but on top of paying out in taxes many big companies are actually agents of the Government in collecting the money.

So you see... Big business plays a large roll in the governments collecting of taxes. People making $30-60K per year working for a company don't worry about nothing, but they should at the end of the year, and really most do. They go home and forget about work and everything the BUSINESS has to endure. They just count down their hours and expect money to be there at the end of the week. Business owners do not get this luxury. 

 



-- Edited by SELLC on Tuesday 21st of June 2011 03:42:12 AM

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Small business owners sure, but BIG business owners sit by the pool and wait for their dividend checks to show up from the fortune 500 company that they inherited from their daddy. Of course the actual dollars they pay in taxes is more than someone who only makes enough to live even though the percentage is less. Don't you think a progressive tax system - like Lincoln envisioned would be better though? I'm not saying rich should be punished, I'm saying they should pay taxes for what they use, and they don't.

How many of Bill Gates employees were educated by the public education system? How many of Bill Gates corporate offices have public roads leading to them? How many of Bill gates houses have police and fire protection at the taxpayer's expense? How manfrivolousus lawsuits have been brought against him and thrown out by state and federal judges? How many US patent and copyright clerks have spent countless hours poring over and rejecting applications from competitors of his to protect his intellectual property? And on and on... And how does his use of the public commons, which has allowed him to become one of the riches men in the world compare to the use of our commons by regular working class folk like us? He SHOULD pay more in taxes, because HE USES MORE of the public commons. Many many times more in fact. And you know what else??? If we levied a 15 Billion taassessmentnt on him, it wouldn't change his lifestyle whatsoever. You seem to find more nobility in squeezing working class people whom are already struggling to get by. You seem to ignore the fact thaReaganomicscs has lead to an enormous concentration of wealth at the very top, and stagnant wages for the ever more productive working class for the last 30 years... You seem so hell bent on supporting the policies of politicians who cater to the wealthy ruling class as if to prepare for the day that you would eventually join them, but you never will, and you're just plain wrong.

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Small business owners sure, but BIG business owners sit by the pool and wait for their dividend checks to show up from the fortune 500 company that they inherited from their daddy. Of course the actual dollars they pay in taxes is more than someone who only makes enough to live even though the percentage is less. Don't you think a progressive tax system - like Lincoln envisioned would be better though? I'm not saying rich should be punished, I'm saying they should pay taxes for what they use, and they don't.

I don't know PowerStroker... I think they do... They have more to lose and more to spend on accountants to make sure they lose less of it. I am all for lowering the taxes for people in my own bracket, just like you but I don't think we should put the hurt lock on successful people! Dirty scamming bankers should be brought up on charges, fined the hell out of, and put back on the streets poor to start over again. That way they are not costing us money sitting in jail, plus it would hurt that kind of person more.

How many of Bill Gates employees were educated by the public education system? How many of Bill Gates corporate offices have public roads leading to them? How many of Bill gates houses have police and fire protection at the taxpayer's expense? How manfrivolousus lawsuits have been brought against him and thrown out by state and federal judges? How many US patent and copyright clerks have spent countless hours poring over and rejecting applications from competitors of his to protect his intellectual property? And on and on... And how does his use of the public commons, which has allowed him to become one of the riches men in the world compare to the use of our commons by regular working class folk like us? He SHOULD pay more in taxes, because HE USES MORE of the public commons. Many many times more in fact. And you know what else??? If we levied a 15 Billion taassessmentnt on him, it wouldn't change his lifestyle whatsoever. You seem to find more nobility in squeezing working class people whom are already struggling to get by.

Is this about taxes or do you just want to see Bill Gates kicked in the nuts? Because the guy made some serious cash off computer software? The guy has to give away/donate boat loads of cash to avoid having to "throw" it away on taxes.

You seem to ignore the fact thaReaganomicscs has lead to an enormous concentration of wealth at the very top, and stagnant wages for the ever more productive working class for the last 30 years... You seem so hell bent on supporting the policies of politicians who cater to the wealthy ruling class as if to prepare for the day that you would eventually join them, but you never will, and you're just plain wrong.

I may not be sitting pretty like JP Morgan or Bill Gates but as a "Small" businessman I certainly don't want to feel like I would be punished for running a "Good" business that turns a profit. Their are companies out there that perform vital services and respect their customers and these businesses should not be punished for their success... Granite most of these "good" businesses that I speak of are not fortune 500 companies.

I get the impression you don't like big business that has gotten greedy, and I too agree with you. But does that mean we have to kill the dream of free enterprise? I think once you start taxing people to death for being successful it will stunt the very thing that makes America great, which is the "Dream". What you suggest PowerStroker sounds more like a nightmare, where as no one will want to excel for fear of just having to give it all away.  A nation of sandbaggers if you will. Sounds a lot like communist China to me.


 



-- Edited by SELLC on Thursday 23rd of June 2011 01:51:05 AM

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Taxes haven't been this low since 1950. I think there's room to raise them somewhat to deal with our debt don't you?

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PowerStroker you can bet your ass if they raise taxes for the rich they are going to raise taxes even MORE from regular folk like us.

Why do you want to pay more money PowerStroker? Are you dying to give away money? If so my hand is always open good buddy! biggrin

Here is what "Should" be done to take care of the deficit,

(1) Force Iraq to cough up all the money we spent kicking their ass. We do this by refusing to leave until such time as we have been paid back with interest thus far. If they don't have it all now set up payment plans with intrest and I am talking about the kind of interest banks make off of home loans where $100,000 house ends up costing someone a half million over 30 years. So let's say the Iraq war cost us $2 trillion, if they paid payments over 30 years it would end up being our entire national debt! Once they finish paying we hand them the keys and title.

This is really the only way... Why should Americans pay for nation building?

(2) The same is true for Afghanistan, they need to pony up the cash for our efforts there, plus re-pay the amount we have given them over the years.

(3) Charge the Libya people for every single bomb we have to drop. Every billable hour! An important lesson needs to be sent to these places that "Freedom" is not "Free". They should be paying us to do their dirty work and all this kissing ass letting them all off the hook is bullshit. They would never help us and it's how it goes "In the real world". These things would not only make us money, but they would reduce our defence budget drastically.

Helping a nation by sending surpluses of food that would go bad otherwise is a "neigborly" thing to do, like borrowing a cup of sugar from your neighbor. Now, go over to that same neighbor tomorrow and ask him to help you kick someones ass that lives oversea's and see what he says. If he say's okay you got yourself a good neighbor, but then again you haven't yet told him the part about flying half way around the world to do it.

(4) Go after the companies responsible for the housing market crash, derivatives, ect. Do not jail the ones found guilty, rather take every dollar they have and apply it to the deficit.

(5) Cut Government waste and entitlement programs. Streamline communications and improve existing departments to do more with less. Fund only programs that are guaranteed to hire new labor.

(6) Kill the "Too big to fail" companies, they are no longer businesses. Stimulate HEAVY in small business where the money gets spread around rather than sitting in coffers and going to greedy executives.

(7) Them terrorist harboring Pakistanies need to give back every effing doller we gave them or STFU about us having to kick in their back door.

If an when ALL of the above options have been implemented there should be no need to raise taxes, in fact things would be doing so good there would be more money in taxes coming in because more people are working and earning. Pretty soon we would have a surplus!

YOU CAN NOT SPEND YOUR WAY OUT OF DEBT! What is happening here is that we are being turned into slaves. Pay this higher tax, Pay for this insurance, buy this, or buy that. My answer is NO! Do your fucking jobs and start doing the right things to make America a profitable country. Too many people throwing the USA under the bus for personal gain. It's just like what happened to home owners only this time we are letting our representatives throw our nation under the bus so they keep Jet-Set, Insured to the hilt, with huge salaries and retirements! Meanwhile the other 90% of the nation just feel lucky to get scraps. It's BULLSHIT! Red or Blue! 



-- Edited by SELLC on Saturday 25th of June 2011 08:50:19 PM

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PowerStroker you can bet your ass if they raise taxes for the rich they are going to raise taxes even MORE from regular folk like us.

Why do you want to pay more money PowerStroker? Are you dying to give away money? If so my hand is always open good buddy! biggrin

Here is what "Should" be done to take care of the deficit,

(1) Force Iraq to cough up all the money we spent kicking their ass. We do this by refusing to leave until such time as we have been paid back with interest thus far. If they don't have it all now set up payment plans with intrest and I am talking about the kind of interest banks make off of home loans where $100,000 house ends up costing someone a half million over 30 years. So let's say the Iraq war cost us $2 trillion, if they paid payments over 30 years it would end up being our entire national debt! Once they finish paying we hand them the keys and title.

They didn't ask us to liberate them, and they certainly don't have a couple trillion dollars laying around to reimburse us for our costs thus far, and all of the bennefits we will be paying to disabled veterans for the rest of their lives.

This is really the only way... Why should Americans pay for nation building?

(2) The same is true for Afghanistan, they need to pony up the cash for our efforts there, plus re-pay the amount we have given them over the years.

The amount we spend in Afghanistan in a couple months is more than the size of their entire economy over the course of a year.  Plus they never asked us to invade, and never signed an agreement to repay.

(3) Charge the Libya people for every single bomb we have to drop. Every billable hour! An important lesson needs to be sent to these places that "Freedom" is not "Free". They should be paying us to do their dirty work and all this kissing ass letting them all off the hook is bullshit. They would never help us and it's how it goes "In the real world". These things would not only make us money, but they would reduce our defence budget drastically.

I estimate about 200 Million dollars worth of US bombs ect have been used in Libya.  Right now, Kadaffi is their leader...  How about you go over and hand deliver the bill to him.

Helping a nation by sending surpluses of food that would go bad otherwise is a "neigborly" thing to do, like borrowing a cup of sugar from your neighbor. Now, go over to that same neighbor tomorrow and ask him to help you kick someones ass that lives oversea's and see what he says. If he say's okay you got yourself a good neighbor, but then again you haven't yet told him the part about flying half way around the world to do it.

America is not an isolationalist nation.  Are you suggesting we should have stayed out of WW2 unless all of the countries of Europe whom had been overrun by hitler, first signed a repayment plan? 

(4) Go after the companies responsible for the housing market crash, derivatives, ect. Do not jail the ones found guilty, rather take every dollar they have and apply it to the deficit.

That would be the big American banks and investment brokers.  That would be a great idea if you want to tank the value of every citizens retirement savings in the nation.  I would suggest tougher regulations and penalties.  I would also suggest appointing Elizabeth Warren to head the Consumer Protections Bureau, but the Republicans keep filibustering her because they are on the payroll of the banksters.

(5) Cut Government waste and entitlement programs. Streamline communications and improve existing departments to do more with less. Fund only programs that are guaranteed to hire new labor.

There isn't much fat to trim buddy.  That generic answer has been used by your type for generations, but if you look at the budget, the only place you will find significant pork is the Pentagon... And your buddies seem all to happy to shovel money that direction.

(6) Kill the "Too big to fail" companies, they are no longer businesses. Stimulate HEAVY in small business where the money gets spread around rather than sitting in coffers and going to greedy executives.

Do you even know where your party stands on that idea^^^.

The Repbulicans are a wholly owned subsidiary of large trans-national corporations.

(7) Them terrorist harboring Pakistanies need to give back every effing doller we gave them or STFU about us having to kick in their back door.

I don't disagree with that.  But it's not enough to put a dent in our deficit.

If an when ALL of the above options have been implemented there should be no need to raise taxes, in fact things would be doing so good there would be more money in taxes coming in because more people are working and earning. Pretty soon we would have a surplus!

If lowering taxes were truly the answer to promoting job growth, we be now, and for the last decade been at full employment.  This 30 year experiment in supply side Reaganomics has failed.  Its time to admit it and move on to Keynsian Economics.

YOU CAN NOT SPEND YOUR WAY OUT OF DEBT! What is happening here is that we are being turned into slaves. Pay this higher tax, Pay for this insurance, buy this, or buy that. My answer is NO! Do your fucking jobs and start doing the right things to make America a profitable country. Too many people throwing the USA under the bus for personal gain. It's just like what happened to home owners only this time we are letting our representatives throw our nation under the bus so they keep Jet-Set, Insured to the hilt, with huge salaries and retirements! Meanwhile the other 90% of the nation just feel lucky to get scraps. It's BULLSHIT! Red or Blue! 

You cant tax cut your way out of debt either.  The answer is to keep spending about the same, and decrease it where possible.  And also to raise taxes on corporations.  I wouldn't mind seeing tarrifs on foreign goods either.



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Well...Well...Well... Look at you PowerStroker...

Your willing to raise taxes on Americans yet when it comes to putting a tax on these nations we had to invade it's "Oh they don't have the money to pay". Well fuck that, because I'd much rather get this money from them than asking Americans to pay.

Many of these countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan have more than enough money in natural resources they could use to make payments each month just like anyone else. For example, a person who is investigated, charged with a crime and then found guilty will have to pay fines, court cost and whatever else the court deems nessisary, it should be no different for these foreign nations.

Sounds more like you are just a pussy when it comes to collecting, which is a very good reason why I did not want to see Democrats win the last election. Republicans would have made them pay back the costs!

Keynsian economics? Have you ever been to Kenya PowerStroker? I'm pretty sure you are talking out your ass with that statement buddy. Here is what NYC would look like after 8 years of Keynsian economics,

There are LOTS of areas to trim government waste! Hell many feel that it cost $100 million dollars a day for Obamas last big vacation. Out government officials do not need to be flying all over the world. There are telephones and video conferences that should be utilized for these sorts of things. There is so much waste in Washington it's not even funny. Make these politicians work from home, they don't need to be paid all this money to buy fancy outfits to strut around and argue. We don't need to be flying these people all over the country either. Total waste! Bush on the other hand heeded my advice and spent much of his time working out of his home. How much time does Obama spend at his home in Chicago? NOT MUCH IF ANY! And why would he? Him and his family are totally okay sucking from the Washington teat, hell they are dug in like ticks.

Reaganomics lead to the surplus of the Clinton days and that was not 30 years ago.

With regards to your statement about hand delivering Gaddafi a bill.... Well I think thats pretty ignorant considering the fact were trying to kill him. I think it needs to be laid out to the rebels and the people there that this help is NOT going to be free, because long after Gaddafi is gone they will be footing the bill.

Too many liberal fucks in Washington want to throw American dollars down a bottomless pit overseas without any return. To people like you it's Okay to tax the hell out of Americans because you are too much of a pussy to get the money back from the people we spent it on. They may not have asked to be invaded, but their actions did. If you do 100 MPH in a 70 MPH zone and get pulled over you do not "Ask" for a fine, you "Get" a fine.



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Perhaps you've forgotten your American history and civics classes. The US congress has the power to levy any tax it sees fit on the American people, and to levy tarrifs to protect American industry. We have absolutely no authority to tax other countries. And even if we invented such authority, we would have to give people from those other countries seats in OUR congress to avoid a taxation without representation challenge in the courts.

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No...No...No...No...

These war bills would not be a "tax", they would be a debt!

I mean WTF are we doing? Spending trillions toppling dictators only to hope the next one likes or respects us more? I am pretty sure the people of the nations we have "liberated" hate out guts more now then before.

So tell me why not make em' pay? We are having to pay! You say "Oh these poor countries don't have money to pay" as if to imply that Americans have extra money to waste paying for their freedom.

So if they cant pay we turn them into 51st-53rd states.. One way or another someone better get our fucking money out of these people. It was said at the start of the Iraq war that we would make them repay our cost, however since a Democrat took office I am starting to think that idea has gone out the window.

By the way PowerStroker... That was a real cute thread earlier. You freak!



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