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Should millionares and billionares pay a lower tax rate than working class people? [2 vote(s)]

Yes - I'm a Republican born with a golden dick in my mouth
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No, I work for a living and I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay higher taxes than some rich asshole
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How much billionaire welfare would it take to satisfy the Republicans?


Billionaires with 1% tax rates

 

Noting the rise in income inequality in recent years and the need to reform the U.S. tax system, the president on Tuesday said that some of the wealthiest in America pay far less in federal taxes as a percentage of their income than many lower down the income scale.

 

"A quarter of all millionaires now pay lower tax rates than millions of middle-class households. Some billionaires have a tax rate as low as 1%," Obama said in a speech in Kansas.

 

Here are some of the facts behind the claim: In 2006 roughly 25% of those with adjusted gross incomes over $1 million paid a smaller portion of their income in federal taxes -- income, payroll and corporate -- than 10% of those with AGIs below $100,000, according to a recent study from the Congressional Research Service.

 

As for the president's assertion that some billionaires have a tax rate as low as 1%, Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center, said that it's definitely possible but hard to verify.

 

Buffett rule could hit 25% of the very rich

"Billionaires are still rare enough that we cannot get data for them without running afoul of privacy rules," he said.

 

But for a lot of reasons, Chris Bergin, president and publisher of Tax Analysts, said, "It is certainly not implausible."

 

Last year, 4,000 households with incomes over a million dollars owed no federal income tax whatsoever, according to Tax Policy Center estimates.

 

What's more, of the top 400 federal tax returns with the highest adjusted gross incomes in 2008, 30 had an effective tax rate of less than 10%, noted Mark Luscombe, the principal federal tax analyst at CCH.

 

A big reason is that a large percentage of wealthy Americans' income comes from investments, which are often taxed at lower rates than ordinary wages and salaries.

 

What's more, some perfectly legal tax code provisions allow taxpayers to reduce their investment tax bills even further.

 

Of course, the wealthy aren't the only ones who enjoy what Obama refers to as "loopholes and shelters." Anyone who deducts their mortgage interest, saves money for retirement, realizes a capital gain or loss, or gets health insurance from their employer is enjoying a tax break.

 

Bush tax cuts: The real end game

The difference is that the rich use a broader array of tax-preferred investments, such as partnerships. Or they may invest in dividend-paying foreign stocks and can claim a foreign tax credit for the tax withheld from them by the foreign government.

 

Typically, too, the wealthiest are more likely to be retired or self-employed and are in a position to make big charitable contributions -- all of which come with distinct tax advantages.

 

And the wealthy can afford to be more risk-averse and park a lot of money in bonds, often tax-free.

 

To Obama, the fact that the wealthy can so whittle down their tax burden is "the height of unfairness."

 

Fairness in the tax code is a real issue, but there is no absolute answer to the question "what's fair?" And that's one reason why reforming the tax code will be a tough fight.

 

Earlier this fall, Obama proposed what he dubbed the Buffett Rule, named after billionaire investor Warren Buffett, who has urged Congress to tax the rich more.

 

The Buffett Rule is intended as a guiding principle for tax reform to ensure that millionaires pay a higher percentage of their income in federal taxes than those who make less.

 

That may not be as easy to implement as it sounds.

 

But one thing is a sure bet: The president will be sounding the theme many times over in his re-election bid.

 

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While I agree the people who make more should pay more, I have my doubts that taxes will just increase for the rich. That seems to be the big disconnect between Obama and I when it comes to tax increases. While he says he is looking to raise taxes for the wealthy, I know that will effect people like me who are not the 1%. If the Bush tax cuts expired this year all of our taxes would go up, rich or poor.

You want to focus on income taxes, but really there are many others. A can of roll your own tobacco use to cost $8.00, but since they now tax roll your own the same as cigarettes that can of tobacco is now $32.00! DO THE MATH POWERSTROKER! A $1.80 pack of cigarettes now cost $6.00! All this sin tax money is supposed to be going to schools, yet schools are in trouble with money? BULLSHIT.

Lets talk property taxes, gasoline taxes, state sales taxes, taxes on telephone service, taxes on fast food, taxes on cars, registration fee's, licencing fee's. It goes on and on and on!

THERE SHOULD BE NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY! It's mis-management PowerStroker! Waste! It feels like government has become top heavy. We are paying people flat salaries regardless of performance. It's become such a bureaucracy that finding out who is to blame cost a million dollars for another group of people to figure out if the 1st group is lying.

The law of the jungle is still true today, only it's been refined. May I remind you that Obama is part of the 1% you claim to hate.

The question of "How Much" is enough is like asking if the chicken or the egg came first. You will never know.



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Well Rex, if tobacco taxes are pissing you off, this dude is offering you his meat cigar totally tax free.  How about you sit and spin on his horn there buddy.

 



-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 7th of December 2011 11:45:49 PM

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They don't piss me off one bit PowerStroker! I just buy the non-taxed pipe tobacco by the pound for $15 and grind it up.

Considering I used to pay $15 for 3 ounces of tobacco ($32 for 4 oz of Premium tobacco) I find it's quite a deal! 16 OZ's for $15? Yep... Taste the same, smokes the same and even looks the same. Goes to show how much taxes (both state and federal) have gotten out of control. If they do it to smokers they will do it to naive idiots like you too sooner or later. They should tax Democrats twice what anyone else pays because their stupidity cost us all in the end.

The only people who lose out are losers like you and your ilk who would have otherwise squandered the tax money anyway.

That photo above is just nasty... You homo side is shining thru tonight!

That'll do Donkey... That'll do!



-- Edited by SELLC on Thursday 8th of December 2011 12:46:12 AM

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I WAS GONNA CHOOSE ANSWER 1.......... BUT IT SHOULD READ WITH "MY GOLDEN DICK IN A 99%'ERS MOUTH"!!!!!!!!AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET OFF THE GOVERNMENT CHEESE REX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE A NOBODY..............A FUCKIN LOSER THAT CAN'T TELL A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PHILIPS AND A SLOTTED SCREW!!!!!!!!!!!!! YA BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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SELLC wrote:

They don't piss me off one bit PowerStroker! I just buy the non-taxed pipe tobacco by the pound for $15 and grind it up.



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Sorry Stoma, I am not a care-giver although the business idea was mulled over between PowerStroker and I when the word broke that Michigan now allows medical marijuana -

http://autotrend.activeboard.com/t34026566/can-you-grow-pot-medical-marijuana-could-be-a-cash-crop/

Crazy cash, super high risk. It was decided it's best I stick to my day job of fixing cars.

Oh... But that's right... You don't have access to the V8 Cafe...

Well maybe when your a "Member" we will give you a peek.

My pounds look more like this,

Although I have always thought the tast of Zig-Zag brand tobacco was the best, better than a Marlbro in fact! It's got some kind of burly mixed in with it's aromatic leaf. Smooth draw and a very good smoke.

Of course PowerStroker and his liberal buddies turned a real fine $9.00 a can roll your own tobacco into $30 with their taxes. Yet they still complain they dont have enough money. Buy the time I get done choking down this pipe tobacco Ill be in good form to take advantage of Obamas healthcare plan.



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Rex was supposed to get hooked on phonics, not chronic.

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