The Irony of Obamacare: Republicans Thought of It First

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SHUT ER' DOWN!

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You do realize the shut down is going to cost taxpayers even more money than if the govt was kept open don't you?

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At the rate the Obama administration is spending money I seriously doubt that PowerStroker!

Just to be a "Sport" I went on to heathcare.gov to see what insurance would cost. Here is what I got,

Now let me just say this... When it comes to health care I don't want a screen that says "Please wait".

I can just imagine what sort of mess this is going to be, and the fact it is being rammed down our throat RAW is complete total load of horse $hit! The mandate is unconstitutional and does very little to noting in terms of lowing insurance rates from private companies. I get the feeling this new mandated health care is going to be a lot like mandated no-fault auto insurance. The way they got it rigged here in Michigan a driver with no points or accidents pays almost $100 a month for no-fault. The insurance is basically worthless! If you are in a small wreck you get nothing, if you are in a major wreck it's not enough. It's just sheer fleecing of the customer by way of force!

I personally think a Government run and MANDATED heath insurance market is bad business! The deductibles are enough to bankrupt someone, the coverage sucks and is very limited yet go more than three months without coverage and you have to pay a fine! What kind of crap is that?

This whole train wreck of an insurance plan is going to come to a head, meaning that soon the American people are going to feel the pinch! When this happens I dont want to be a Democrat! Its already happening! I am not the only one with a Please Wait screen trying to access the rates! Its not ready for the public yet PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

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That's just foolish PowerStroker! Why in the HELL would the government roll out something that is not capable? I don't accept that! That's a typical half assed job and needs to be done right or not at all!

I hope the Republicans put the clips on the October 17th date as well too! All this reckless spending to create what amounts to a fake economy! Sooner or later things are going to have to change! Government is going to have to streamline its operations and stay the hell out of business! Given the REAL state of the economy and the national debt I think it's a VERY poor idea to spend more money on this worthless Government mandated insurance! If the Government wants everyone to have insurance they damn well should give EVERY American some form of catastrophe insurance and I know damn well there is more than enough money to pay for this without even raising taxes! There is so much waste right now it's not even funny!

Come October the 17th 2013 the Government will run out of money and will be at its max borrowing limit. Try to wrap your Donkey ears around that one PowerStroker! THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO BORROW TO PAY IT'S BILLS! WTF is that? When the Republicans refuse to increase the borrowing limit that's when the shit will REALLY hit the fan. People may get delayed Social Security checks, and much like Obama Care this too would be a problem for citizens in the future should the Government shut down again. It's not wise for this law to be funded! By not funding Obama Care the rug gets pulled out from under them, much like it was pulled out from under the American people when they forced this half-assed plan thru Congress. Look at how poorly Detroit was run for 50 years under Democrat control! It took a smart Republican governor to snatch the power away from the corrupt Democratic leadership that failed time and time again.

So let's re-cap what Obama has done for Americans -

(1) Record people on food-stamps or government assistance

(2) Highest national debt EVER! More than ALL other Presidents combined

(3) Detroit is Bankrupt - and soon other cities will be doing the exact same thing. I predict Chicago and California next.

(4) Government shut down threat after threat, and now it's no longer a threat... It's a FACT

The list goes on and on! Yes, Obama has done some good things. Take for example the Obama Bank Accounts, this to me was the ONLY piece of legislation that has had a positive effect on me and did not require me to do anything to take advantage. If Obama could perform and his policies actually have a positive impact then I could get behind him. Now it would seem that Obama just wants to hand us any old half-assed insurance just to be able to say he did it, never mind if it works or not!

When Obama and the Democrats put the mandate on health care, instead of ensuring everyone HAD insurance that's when he lost my support! Lots of other nations have great health care afforded to ALL its citizens! Take for example Great Britain; they have STELLAR insurance for ALL it's people. What have we got? A damn MANDATE that does NOTHING to ensure Americans have some kind of insurance!? With that said I say we shut down the entire Government until such time they get off this idea that a MANDATE is equal to insurance. I don't care what it takes or how deep it cuts!

STAY THE COURSE!

HOLD THE LINE!

-- Edited by SELLC on Thursday 3rd of October 2013 07:28:16 PM

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But it IS Constitutional, the Supreme Court said so.

Obamacare looks like it's so popular that they need more servers.

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PowerStroker wrote:
But it IS Constitutional, the Supreme Court said so.

NO! The Supreme Court said the Governments ability to TAX is Constitutional.

Get it straight!

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SELLC wrote:
That's just foolish PowerStroker! Why in the HELL would the government roll out something that is not capable? I don't accept that! That's a typical half assed job and needs to be done right or not at all!
Well, if anybody knows something about half assed jobs, it would be you.
You are 100% correct PowerStroker! I know a half assed job when I see one! That's one of the reasons I dont employ people! Because I know the standard has been set SO LOW by dealerships and union types that pride in your work is no longer something the liberal retards require for a jackass to collect unemployment. It's just easier for a lazy fucker to screw up and get fired after 3 months of hard work, then they can just sit back, collect unemployment and food stamps and watch TV all day! I don't tolerate bullshit PowerStroker! I'm as hard on myself as I am anyone else. I stand for quality because I have seen a lot of half assed things in my day.
I hope the Republicans put the clips on the October 17th date as well too! All this reckless spending to create what amounts to a fake economy! Sooner or later things are going to have to change! Government is going to have to streamline its operations and stay the hell out of business!
I seem to recall a massive budget sequestration not too long ago, you're still not happy???
I wonder if Obama canceled his trip to Asia because he felt embarassed or just because his wings were clipped and could not go around galavanting the world on Americas dime while we all work harder and harder to get deeper and deeper in debt. So to answer your question, YES, I am somewhat happy someone put an end to Obamas endless vactions that only serve to get us in more shit and cost this nation even more money.
Given the REAL state of the economy and the national debt I think it's a VERY poor idea to spend more money on this worthless Government mandated insurance! If the Government wants everyone to have insurance they damn well should give EVERY American some form of catastrophe insurance and I know damn well there is more than enough money to pay for this without even raising taxes! There is so much waste right now it's not even funny!
You sound like you're making an argument for single payer national healthcare for all. Are you sure you're a Republican?
Yes I am a Republican! And as a Republican I support the idea that if you are going to FORCE someone to have something you damn well better be able to give it freely to everyone. Obama is not giving us insurance! He is just FORCING people to buy it! Screw that! I already had a taste of that scam with no-fault auto insurance!
Come October the 17th 2013 the Government will run out of money and will be at its max borrowing limit. Try to wrap your Donkey ears around that one PowerStroker!
This is nothing new.
Yes it is PowerStroker! Come October 17th if your buddies don't come around it's going to be something like you have NEVER seen before. Put in place by voters like me who refuse to let your party saddle my kids with debt and stick them with a fine for being healthy!
THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO BORROW TO PAY IT'S BILLS! WTF is that?
The American Way. you've never borrowed money?
The American Way? That's total BULLSHIT! Yes recently I had to borrow money from my Grandmother who by the way is a hard core Democrat, on Social Security who often times does not agree with Obama. What can I say, Winter Taxes around here are no joke. I consider myself very lucky and I consider her to be the only thing good in the entire Democratic party. If the Democrats had a just a drop of the old school "nose to the grind stone" attitude she does this nation will be a hell of a lot better off that's for sure!
I have, in the past, borrowed from banks only to be stiffed out of almost half the amount. Seems every time I borrow from a bank I get shafted. I have NEVER gotten a loan from the Government although they have thrown away countless billions to less worthy over the past few years.
Borrowing money should NEVER be considered the "American Way". It's this kind of crazy talk that is forcing closed the government.
When the Republicans refuse to increase the borrowing limit that's when the shit will REALLY hit the fan. People may get delayed Social Security checks, and much like Obama Care this too would be a problem for citizens in the future should the Government shut down again.
That's not the worst of it my friend. If the government defaults on it's debts for the first time in history, the value of the dollar... YOUR personal net worth will fall. Furthermore, the full faith and credit of the American people will be tarnished, and run the risk of other countries switching away from the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. This will cause a huge surplus of US currency to be returned, causing the value of our money to drop even farther. The result could be worse than the Great Depression, so if I were you, I would think long and hard before encouraging my elected representitave to vote against raising the debt ceiling.
I'm married with children PowerStroker! I don't have a net worth! It's the American way! My net worth are these two hands, what's in my head and my family. Everything else is just what I leave to the people I love, which your asshole party wants to tax upon my death. Fuck you guys! Welcome to my world! I live it every day, you should try it sometime; you might like it!
It's not wise for this law to be funded! By not funding Obama Care the rug gets pulled out from under them, much like it was pulled out from under the American people when they forced this half-assed plan thru Congress.
There is no way you and your Republican cronies are going to defund Obamacare. I know you want to, and I know you become angry when powerless, but you wont win this one, I'm sorry. If Obama is given a choice between saving the US credit rating, or saving Obamacare, he's going to save Obamacare. Even your Republican cronies in congress understand this, all they are doing is posturing to gain political points.
You see there! ^^^ Pride boy! It comes before the fall! When you and your buddies drive that tax payer bus off the cliff you can fall to your deaths knowing Obamacare will die with you. No one in their right mind would accept such a crap-ass hodge-podge conglomerate of bullshit. So don't forget that you said it - Obama will put his flawed Obamacare before the US credit rating. I'd rather see the whole shithouse come down now then later. It's time to stop digging this hole.
Look at how poorly Detroit was run for 50 years under Democrat control! It took a smart Republican governor to snatch the power away from the corrupt Democratic leadership that failed time and time again.
Detroit was fine until poor Republican free trade policies allowed the big three to pack up and move to cheaper labor markets in Mexico. The ripple effect through Michigan's economy which resulted was predictable, and to blame it on Dems is just stupid.
PowerStroker you do know that Detroit has been run by Democrats for the past 50 years right? You see the problem with socialisim is eventually you run out of other peoples money. This has happend in Detroit and now it's gone national.
So let's re-cap what Obama has done for Americans -
(1) Record people on food-stamps or government assistance
The great recession started under Bush's watch thank you very much.
Yes it started right after the "Great Sky is falling" campaign by the Democrats to get into office. Only problem is now the sky really is falling, and Democrats have cried wolf so many times this is going to hit the American public like a load of bricks.
(2) Highest national debt EVER! More than ALL other Presidents combined
Not when adjusted for inflation. Our current national debt is about 90% of GDP. During WW2 we had borrowed well over 100% of our GDP to support the war effort.
Well the last time I check PowerStroker there wasn't a World War going on, so what is your excuse? Of course if we keep letting Obama globe trot all over the world we may very well find ourselves in WWIII.
(3) Detroit is Bankrupt - and soon other cities will be doing the exact same thing. I predict Chicago and California next.
Detroit would have happened no matter who became president.
This is true PowerStroker, but only because Detroit has been run by Democrats for almost 5 decades.
(4) Government shut down threat after threat, and now it's no longer a threat... It's a FACT
Well, it's what you Republicans have been wanting for a long time, so congratulations... I guess.
I seen a video of Obama crying to the American people on YouTube, blaming Republicans just like he did at the start of his campaign. Nothing new here except the fact we are even further in debt with no plan from the man except to keep on borrowing.
The list goes on and on! Yes, Obama has done some good things. Take for example the Obama Bank Accounts, this to me was the ONLY piece of legislation that has had a positive effect on me and did not require me to do anything to take advantage. If Obama could perform and his policies actually have a positive impact then I could get behind him. Now it would seem that Obama just wants to hand us any old half-assed insurance just to be able to say he did it, never mind if it works or not!
Actually, he did it to save us all money and reduce our national debt over the long run. Healthcare costs were on track to dwarf all other federal spending unless something was done. Obama manned up and did something about it, he should be thanked.
Where are these savings you speak of? Obamacare itself is going to cost over $1 trillion dollars and I think it's been proven that it could be even more than that! What do Americans get for $1 Trillion dollars? A fine for not buying something! We don't get no damn insurance under Obama Care! All we get is a computer screen that says "Please Wait" or some insurance quote within dollars of a private company. Obama care is a boxed up fraud on the American people who really think they are getting insurance, when the fact is they are being FORCED TO BUY insurance under the threat of a fine. Wasn't it just Obama who said in a speech that you can't bargin with someone by putting a gun to their head? Well that's what he is doing to Americans with this mandate!
When Obama and the Democrats put the mandate on health care, instead of ensuring everyone HAD insurance that's when he lost my support! Lots of other nations have great health care afforded to ALL its citizens! Take for example Great Britain; they have STELLAR insurance for ALL it's people. What have we got? A damn MANDATE that does NOTHING to ensure Americans have some kind of insurance!? With that said I say we shut down the entire Government until such time they get off this idea that a MANDATE is equal to insurance. I don't care what it takes or how deep it cuts!
Obama would have loved to give us single payer national healthcare like Great Britan and Canada. It was the REPUBLICANS who wouldn't let him, so this was the best law he could get through congress.
And that's my problem with Obama! He knows damn well what is right, but he goes and fucks it all up! I don't want to hear no bullshit about this being the best law he could get thru congress because at the time he had a Super Majority! The Democrats controlled the House and the Senate. You have forgotten PowerStroker!
STAY THE COURSE!
HOLD THE LINE!

-- Edited by SELLC on Friday 4th of October 2013 03:53:50 AM

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Yes, they said Congress has complete authority to levy taxes, and they identified the individual mandate as a TAX, and therefore Constitutional.

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SELLC wrote:
That's just foolish PowerStroker! Why in the HELL would the government roll out something that is not capable? I don't accept that! That's a typical half assed job and needs to be done right or not at all!
Well, if anybody knows something about half assed jobs, it would be you.
I hope the Republicans put the clips on the October 17th date as well too! All this reckless spending to create what amounts to a fake economy! Sooner or later things are going to have to change! Government is going to have to streamline its operations and stay the hell out of business!
I seem to recall a massive budget sequestration not too long ago, you're still not happy???
Given the REAL state of the economy and the national debt I think it's a VERY poor idea to spend more money on this worthless Government mandated insurance! If the Government wants everyone to have insurance they damn well should give EVERY American some form of catastrophe insurance and I know damn well there is more than enough money to pay for this without even raising taxes! There is so much waste right now it's not even funny!
You sound like you're making an argument for single payer national healthcare for all. Are you sure you're a Republican?
Come October the 17th 2013 the Government will run out of money and will be at its max borrowing limit. Try to wrap your Donkey ears around that one PowerStroker!
This is nothing new.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO BORROW TO PAY IT'S BILLS! WTF is that?
The American Way. you've never borrowed money?
When the Republicans refuse to increase the borrowing limit that's when the shit will REALLY hit the fan. People may get delayed Social Security checks, and much like Obama Care this too would be a problem for citizens in the future should the Government shut down again.
That's not the worst of it my friend. If the government defaults on it's debts for the first time in history, the value of the dollar... YOUR personal net worth will fall. Furthermore, the full faith and credit of the American people will be tarnished, and run the risk of other countries switching away from the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. This will cause a huge surplus of US currency to be returned, causing the value of our money to drop even farther. The result could be worse than the Great Depression, so if I were you, I would think long and hard before encouraging my elected representitave to vote against raising the debt ceiling.
It's not wise for this law to be funded! By not funding Obama Care the rug gets pulled out from under them, much like it was pulled out from under the American people when they forced this half-assed plan thru Congress.
There is no way you and your Republican cronies are going to defund Obamacare. I know you want to, and I know you become angry when powerless, but you wont win this one, I'm sorry. If Obama is given a choice between saving the US credit rating, or saving Obamacare, he's going to save Obamacare. Even your Republican cronies in congress understand this, all they are doing is posturing to gain political points.
Look at how poorly Detroit was run for 50 years under Democrat control! It took a smart Republican governor to snatch the power away from the corrupt Democratic leadership that failed time and time again.
Detroit was fine until poor Republican free trade policies allowed the big three to pack up and move to cheaper labor markets in Mexico. The ripple effect through Michigan's economy which resulted was predictable, and to blame it on Dems is just stupid.
So let's re-cap what Obama has done for Americans -
(1) Record people on food-stamps or government assistance
The great recession started under Bush's watch thank you very much.
(2) Highest national debt EVER! More than ALL other Presidents combined
Not when adjusted for inflation. Our current national debt is about 90% of GDP. During WW2 we had borrowed well over 100% of our GDP to support the war effort.
(3) Detroit is Bankrupt - and soon other cities will be doing the exact same thing. I predict Chicago and California next.
Detroit would have happened no matter who became president.
(4) Government shut down threat after threat, and now it's no longer a threat... It's a FACT
Well, it's what you Republicans have been wanting for a long time, so congratulations... I guess.
The list goes on and on! Yes, Obama has done some good things. Take for example the Obama Bank Accounts, this to me was the ONLY piece of legislation that has had a positive effect on me and did not require me to do anything to take advantage. If Obama could perform and his policies actually have a positive impact then I could get behind him. Now it would seem that Obama just wants to hand us any old half-assed insurance just to be able to say he did it, never mind if it works or not!
Actually, he did it to save us all money and reduce our national debt over the long run. Healthcare costs were on track to dwarf all other federal spending unless something was done. Obama manned up and did something about it, he should be thanked.
When Obama and the Democrats put the mandate on health care, instead of ensuring everyone HAD insurance that's when he lost my support! Lots of other nations have great health care afforded to ALL its citizens! Take for example Great Britain; they have STELLAR insurance for ALL it's people. What have we got? A damn MANDATE that does NOTHING to ensure Americans have some kind of insurance!? With that said I say we shut down the entire Government until such time they get off this idea that a MANDATE is equal to insurance. I don't care what it takes or how deep it cuts!
Obama would have loved to give us single payer national healthcare like Great Britan and Canada. It was the REPUBLICANS who wouldn't let him, so this was the best law he could get through congress.
STAY THE COURSE!
HOLD THE LINE!

-- Edited by SELLC on Thursday 3rd of October 2013 07:28:16 PM

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LOL !!! Geez, I thought I wrote long posts...I think I'll keep well away from this one...But remember what the late & very great President Kennedy once said..."Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"...50 years in November since his tragic loss America, & still no answers...Probably better to worry about Obamacare for now though.

Cheers,

Rastus

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RASTUS HOW BOUT YE SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE BEFORE I LAY A BIG OL DEUCE UP INTO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Interesting!

The United States Government is about to be shut down and all Stoma can think of is giving Rastus a Hot Carl / Cleveland Steamer.

I always knew that guy was a homo. Seems to me Stoma lives in a perpetual Cleveland Steamer given the fact his head is so far up his own ass.

Back to our regular scheduled programming.

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LOL !!! I'm not sure how interesting that might be SELLC, especially for me !!!...Do you think if I shat myself it might keep him away LOL !?!? Let's get back to our scheduled programming sounds like a great idea !

Rastus

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The Irony of Obamacare: Republicans Thought of It First

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October 04, 2013

An irony of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is that one of its key provisions, the individual insurance mandate, has conservative origins. In Congress, the requirement that individuals to purchase health insurance first emerged in Republican health care reform bills introduced in 1993 as alternatives to the Clinton plan. The mandate was also a prominent feature of the Massachusetts plan passed under Governor Mitt Romney in 2006. According to Romney, we got the idea of an individual mandate from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation.
Tracing the Flow of Policy Ideas in Legislatures: A Text Reuse Approach

That irony led John Wilkerson of the University of Washington and his colleagues David Smith and Nick Stramp to study the legislative history of the health care reform law using a text-analysis system to understand its origins.

Scholars rely almost exclusively on floor roll call voting patterns to assess partisan cooperation in Congress, according to findings in the paper, Tracing the Flow of Policy Ideas in Legislatures: A Text Reuse Approach. By that standard, the Affordable Care was a highly partisan bill. Yet a different story emerges when the source of the reforms policy is analyzed. The authors findings showed that a number of GOP policy ideas overlap with provisions in the Affordable Care Act: Of the 906-page law, 3 percent of the policy ideas used wording similar to bills sponsored by House Republicans and 8 percent used wording similar to bills sponsored by Senate Republicans.

Excluding markup bills, or amendments and legislative rewrites, 11 percent and 28 percent of policy ideas came from Congressional and Senate Republicans, respectively. For example, a proposal for nursing home transparency made by Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa in March 2009 eventually appeared in the the health care reform laws language.

Source: Tracing the Flow of Policy Ideas in Legislatures:
A Text Reuse Approach by J. Wilkerson, D. Smith, N. Stramp, 2013

Still, Republican opposition of the Affordable Care Act has become standard party position. Some have argued the law is a jobs killer. Others have said that the Founding Fathers would not approve it; Sen. Orrin Hatch wrote in The Hill that that to come to any other conclusion than that the mandate is unconstitutional requires treating the Constitution as the servant, rather than the master, of Congress. Still, others including Mitt Romney, who passed an individual insurance mandate as governor of Massachusetts have asserted that Obamacare is an unconstitutional power grab from the states.

When President Obama signed the health care reform into law on March 23, 2010, fourteen state attorneys general filed lawsuits against the laws requirement that most Americans purchase health insurance on the grounds that it was unconstitutional, even though the idea had been central to the GOPs health care reforms for two decades.

In response to the legal opposition, Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the law school at the University of California at Irvine, told The New York Times, There is no case law, post 1937, that would support an individuals right not to buy health care if the government wants to mandate it. And, indeed, in July 2012, Chief Justice John Roberts sided with Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor, Stephen Breyer, and Elena Kagan in deciding the law as a valid exercise of Congresss power to tax.

The Republican Party continues to be staunchly opposed the law even though the individual mandate made its first legislative appearance as part of the partys alternative to President Clintons health reform bill. It was included in the 1993 Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act that was sponsored by John Chafee, of Rhode Island, and co-sponsored by 18 Republicans, including Bob Dole, who was the Senate Minority Leader at the time.

While it can be argued that Obamacare might not be the most well-crafted piece of legislation, the concept that all Americans should have basic insurance is not outlandish. Many states now require passengers in automobiles to wear seat-belts for their own protection, Stuart Butler, a health care expert for the Heritage Foundation, wrote in a 1989 brief titled Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans. Many others require anybody driving a car to have liability insurance. But neither the federal government nor any state requires all households to protect themselves from the potentially catastrophic costs of a serious accident or illness. Just as legally mandated insurance makes economic sense for automobiles, it makes sense for health care, as well.

But central to the arguments surrounding the Affordable Care Act is the question of whether health care, and specifically affordable health care, is a right or a privilege.

After this weeks stalemate in Washington over a continuing resolution that would fund the federal government into the next fiscal year, with Republicans and Democrats clashing over the funding of the Affordable Care Act, it may seem surprising that some congress members are veering away from the party line. Republican Rep. Darrell Issa of California has suggested via Twitter that Americans should be offered the same benefits that Congress has.

Federal employees have long enjoyed high-quality, affordable health care benefits through this free market, consumer based system, tweeted Issa. I want to open up the plans to all Americans without expanding subsidies. Yet, his proposal is very similar to the Affordable Care Act in its basics. The Federal Employee Health Benefits program, or FEHBP, is a system of managed competition through which employee health benefits are provided to civilian government employees of the U.S. government, and the government pays about 75 percent of the premiums of all plans.

This system is similar to the Affordable Care Act in that it will set up a marketplace for private insurers to compete for customers business. Insurers who participate in the FEHBP marketplace are also prohibited from excluding those with pre-existing conditions, must accept applicants without regard to age, race, sex, health status, or hazardous nature of employment, and charge all applicants the same premium for a given plan, just like Obamacare.

The main difference is that Issa does not think taxpayers should subsidize insurance purchases: Im not proposing subsidies, but giving Americans access to affordable insurance, he said. The problem with that idea is that there are no provisions to convince individuals to purchase insurance so that the marketplaces have broad risk pools and avoid the so-called death spiral. By rewarding enrollees with subsidies, like the health care reform, or paying 75 percent of employee FEHBP premiums as the federal government does, more people sign up and premiums are kept more affordable.

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PowerStroker wrote:
The Irony of Obamacare:
Nice try with all the little photos and diagrams, all of which make no sense whatsoever.
I am working on a response to your "cut and paste" article however I need you to:

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Word on the street is that we might have another shut down...

Guess it don't matter much, considering that Democrats only have a 1 year memory when it comes to politics... That and the fact that the past shut-down only helped Republicans gain more seats in the House and Senate... Enough in fact to have a majority.