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Are the Illuminati for real ?... [4 vote(s)]

Yes, of course they are, & have been for centuries.
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No, it's just another one of those Sectret Society conspiracy things..
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The who ?....
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There's only ever been Democrats & Republicans.
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Surely the Freemasons will have something to say about this !
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The Illuminati...The who, what, where & when of the worlds most powerful Secret Society...


Hello folks,

A little while ago I mentioned about starting a thread about the Illuminati, & at last, the time has come ! I've collected quite a few few books, articles, viewed video's & DVD's on the subject, & through a lot of cross referencing etc, managed to form a picture of a society of people that does actually exist, & ultimately influence the people-in-power ( if not themselves ) to ensure that the world goes around the way they intend it to...This ultimately meaning that they hold power / governance for eternity, whilst we plod along in our own lives, living the the life that is...

Anyhow, there's many ways to start a thread like this one, but I'll actually let the Illuminati do this themselves....Yes themselves...Believe it or not, there's a book out in print at the moment that has its author(s) nominated as the Illuminati, & this is even registered with the US-of-A Department of Public Letters, & also Department of Citizen Outreach for authenticity purposes...

For those more curios, the title of the book itself is called "*Illuminatium* The First Testament of the Illuminati". It's freely available, was published in late 2015, & can be had for around $10:00. Its contents are quite revealing, & speaks for itself, with a great many subjects covered & discussed.

The point of this thread will be for those that are interested, to gain a wider understanding of who & what is out there in our world, & why things happen the way they do. As the thread progresses, hopefully some questions & discussion will appear, where we'll all have a say & get involved. But for now, stand-by for the introduction themselves of the Illuminati, & I'll let them do the talking for the most-part, by quoting their own words, from their own book.

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Eh... If it's a Secret Society, then how do we even know about it?

And also, who is the Illuminati? Is that some form of generalization that includes high ranking public officials, all the way down to the foot soldiers? I mean, really.... When you say Illuminati, who exactly are you referring to? The American people? The UN? We need specifics otherwise I'm inclined to believe the Illuminati is no different than any other fictional boogey man.... In that it does not exist.



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LOL,

Good questions SELLC ! And here's some answers off the top of my head...

1. We know about "secret societies" through word-of-mouth, & ultimately "once-upon-a-time" an invitation of some-sorts would have arrived for our ancestors to join one, simply to discuss world-life & real matters, but without having the "Church" dictate policy...Not so long ago, the Church & Politics went hand-in-hand, so you were limited to freedom-of-speech, & what you really thought. Take places like North England & Ireland even today, as an example of messed-up politics & religion...

2. The Illuminati stands for the "Illuminated ones", folks who see through the bullshit of religion & politicians. They've had "access by privilege" to esoteric knowledge & other handed down wisdom. And yes, as you said, they're some Americans, likely some UN members, & high society elites. From my own research, in modern-times, the name "Illuminati" was started by a man called Adam Weishaupt, who basically used the well distributed Freemasonry lodges around the world, to spread the word, & initiate his grand plan. The word / plan being a "New World Order", that will leave them in power for ever. Of course, the society went underground soon after the plan was set in motion. Essentially it boils down to the Banks ruling the world, & even your own US-of-A was fooled into the scam under Woodrow Wilson in 1913, by allowing the Central European Banks, aka "Rothschild" to control your monetary system, which it still does to this day. And all this happened back in 1913, & within 20-years, they worked you over into the Great Depression, & even now, you & your children & grand children are repaying this debt, as rendered by the "New Deal", from the 1930's....

Anyhow, I'll let them speak for themselves, from their own book...I'll keep as exact as possible, without plagiarism legally working-me-over LOL....

qt. "The Illuminati is an elite collective of political leaders, business owners, & other influential members of this planet. Our organization unites leaders of the world, in an unrestrictive & private domain - free from religious, political, & geographical boundries - to further the prosperity of the human species. To operate in humanities best interest, our counsil's authority supercedes that of individual governments, making decisions that your Queens, Presidents, Emporers & other leaders may be unable to decree on their own, but are required to carry out.

You will not find us praised in any history book or document, though the Illuminati has helped shape every major movement on this planet since the first human government was established".

Ciao,

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Hello folks,

I guess a new era for the US-of-A has begun in 2017, under the leadership of Mr.Trump, where all the important decisions will be made at the White House, & processed through the Pentagon, or other means. And believe it or not, the Illuminati claim to have such a place also, only even more special & secluded. Once again, & in their own words, here comes the story...Consider this...

qt."In the Atlantic Ocean is an island that does not appear on any map, & never will. It has no official name. Those who have visited call it "The Isle"...

Protected within the embrace of the Ocean, then sand, then 5-miles of trees & camouflaged razor wire, is a building made of concrete & steel. If you flew over it, you'd see it as a grey flat plateau, dotted by misted square skylights. The glass is so thick, a missile could ram into its center, detonate, & only leave its own bits & pieces littered against the ground.

Two planes have crashed directly into it, but left no mark besides the faint black ash that still coats the taller tree trunks. Both planes ventured off their course, & found themselves lost in the air-space of The Isle, & after spotting the space between the trees, attempted to make emergency landings. This proved impossible. The plane in 1998 was entangled with razor wire on its descent, & the plane in 2014 malfunctioned as it entered the magnetized security zone, & its electrical system over-loaded. Neither casualties were intentional.

The Isle has no human operators & runs as its own machine. Through two vault doors protected by pass-word & retinal authentication, there is an elevator that descends deep into the ground, & opens to the White Room. The future of your planet is decided here"...


The next part discusses our world leaders, & their status quo, & ultimately, what makes them them...

Ciao,

Rastus



-- Edited by Rastus on Sunday 22nd of January 2017 09:37:40 AM

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Oooookayyy... I'm going to have to require some proof on these claims... Sounds like a movie if you ask me.

Certainly, if two planes crashed on it... And ash can still be seen in the taller tree's - you MUST have a photo of this compound, right? Or even it's approximate location on a map?

If none of this exist, then how do we know about these two planes crashing?



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LOL,

It does sound like a screen-play introduction for a movie I agree ! But this isn't the juicy bit at all, I just thought it interesting that claims are made about "The Isle" even existing, & no, there's no photo's etc, but that's also part of the machine-maintained mystique about the description.

What I found interesting was the phrase "The future of "your" planet is decided here"...Could this be an allusion to another form of intervention that governs our future, from say artificial intelligence or even alien / UFO guidance ?...Why not just say "The future of "our" planet is decided here".?

Any how, the juicier & eye-opening bits are yet to come, but I did like the opening words, so I thought they add to the "character" of the whole book. And you'll see what I mean as time goes on. I also think that there's more than credible proof of the existence of UFO's, though this is not what the thread is about, or what the book even suggests, except for the wording I just pointed out.

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OK,

Time to continue on with the "White Room", & some of what goes on in there. The point being here, is that our world leaders break every local laws to meet in secret, to discuss matters without our, or the medias intervention. The "Builderberg Group" is renowned for this, & so powerful, so as to be able to complete a total media black-out of their meetings, & has done so for countless years since the end of WW-II. There name comes from the Hotel of their 1st gathering.

qt."Your leaders, regardless of your opinion of their character or ability, have all surpassed every imaginable threat to become who they are today, whether by virtue of merit, or conspiracy. But the humans they govern are easily swayed by emotion or instinct, & your leaders will not risk their life's work on the whims of easily manipulatable minds.

For this reason, we meet in the White Room. Trust does not exist in this place, even amongst friends & allies. None are offended, being wary is honesty. All in power are ruthless, & know better than to trust others like themselves.

If what is said & decided in the White Room ever reached the ears of anyone outside, the entire structure of this planet would be up-ended by civil war. The human species is easily swayed, as it thinks reasonably when at ease, but acts erractically when under pressure.

The Illuminati are free of this restraint. Decisions made in the White Room are not bound by belief or allegience or generation, but are on the behalf of all humans on the planet now, & in the future. These decisions are made to ensure the survival of all as a collective, no matter how unpopular they may be if put to a public vote.

You may think that a room full of people you do not know, & who are humans like yourself, should not make decisions regarding your life. Are you merely a pawn in a game being played by others ?...Shouldn't you control your own life ?...

Do not allow yourself to be convinced that freedom is what you desire, because this is how you & others around you are controlled. You are told that you have freedom, while freedom is defined by those in power".


Ciao,

Rastus



-- Edited by Rastus on Thursday 2nd of February 2017 11:58:10 PM

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Well, if their motives are truly to ensure the survival of all of us as a collective then I guess I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand I think democracy is the most noble way to govern. However after seeing what democracy just put in to power here. I can see why such a secret society could be necessary.

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Well, if their motives are truly to ensure the survival of all of us as a collective then I guess I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand I think democracy is the most noble way to govern. However after seeing what democracy just put in to power here. I can see why such a secret society could be necessary.


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 Yes,

Your $01:00 bill has many symbols upon it, that have quite disturbing meanings to some folks...

When you track back in time, & discover that the goals of the Illuminati were spread around the world via Freemasonry & their lodges, you investigate Freemasonry....And then you learn that the initiation ritual has quite obvious & near identical particulars, to that of ancient Pagan Rituals, or Wikka / Witchcraft that must be observed & passed by the initiate...

So it seems SELLC, that your first post of the sacrificial Virgin by Satanists is quite true & correct. And yes, the US-of-A seems to be governed by Satanists, depending on how you choose to label them, though Freemasons sounds much more agreeable I'm sure.

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All these silly stories made up, like the legend of Paul Bunion... I think I have seen what you speak of on TV Rastus! The call the movie "Dragnet"... Maybe you should check it out too? After watching season #2 of 24... I know you don't want to watch these films Rastus, because it would be rather embarrassing to realize that all these wild stories you talk about are probably based on these films, in part or in whole.



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SELLC,

Books & Documentaries based on facts fill my world, & cross examination of the facts before I make statements of any sorts...

You can stick to your fairy-tales & daydreams thanks that come with Hollywood lol.

It's a shame that you don't do any research about the country you're living in, as it is the worlds first Masonic Country. Just about everyone that's ever been in your government is a Freemason. Take it or leave it, but facts are facts. Even the outlay & design of Washington D.C. is based on Masonic instrumentation & geometry...

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That's a great pictogram of George Washington !

Here's a brief historical overview of Freemasonry, that's hardly in-depth, but worth posting, since their appearance in this thread, & association with our Illuminati will seem always intertwined...


FREEMASONRY


I INTRODUCTION

Freemasonry, largest and most widely established fraternal order in the world. The medieval masons' guilds had originally been restricted to stonecutters, but in England during the Reformation, they began to admit as members men of wealth or social status. The guilds gradually became societies devoted to general ideals, such as fraternity, equality, and peace, and their meetings became social rather than business occasions. Four or more such guilds, called lodges, united in London on June 24, 1717, to form a grand lodge for London and Westminster, which, within six years, became the Grand Lodge of England. This body is the mother grand lodge of Freemasons in the world, and from it all recognized grand lodges have been derived. The Grand Lodge of All England was formed at York in 1725, that of Ireland by June of the same year, and of Scotland in 1736. The York body came under the jurisdiction of the Grand Lodge at London later in the century.

As a result of the patronage of the order by members of the nobility, the rising British mercantile class looked upon Freemasonry as an adjunct to social success, and the order became popular. The Masonic ideals of religious toleration and the basic equality of all people were in keeping with the growing spirit of liberalism during the 18th century. One of the basic tenets of the Masonic orders throughout the English-speaking world has been that religion is the concern solely of the individual. Opposition on the part of the Roman Catholic Church has been chiefly on the grounds that Freemasonry, with its binding principles and religious nature, has usurped the prerogatives of the Church. As a result, the Freemasons have never been permitted in some strictly Roman Catholic countries, such as Spain. In France, however, following the atheistic trend of the French Revolution, the order flourished. World membership exceeds 6 million.

II FUNCTIONS

In most English-speaking countries the charitable and protective features of the fraternity have been responsible for the establishment of Masonic homes for the care of dependent aged Masons and their widows, and orphanages and schools for the children of members. The Mason is instructed that his fraternal obligations involving aid to members are to be subordinated to the duty he owes to God, his country, and his family, with full recognition of the duty he owes to humanity. The Masonic fraternity differs radically from the other private benevolent societies, and from the Independent Order of Odd Fellows, the next largest private, international, fraternal association, in that the relief or charity extended among members is purely voluntary, dependent on the need in each individual case. It is in no way part of a contract or other understanding that the distress of a brother shall call for specific financial recognition or care. Freemasonry is essentially an educational society, attempting to teach its members a moral philosophy of life.

III MAJOR SYSTEMS

Scores of Masonic rites have sprung up since the 17th century, but only five of any great consequence survive today. Two Masonic systems are called the York Rite and the Scottish Rite. Neither has any connection, historically or otherwise, with York, England, or Scotland. The York Rite was formed in the late 18th century and is called Capitular and the members Royal Arch Masons (four degrees); the next step is Cryptic and the members Royal and Select Masons (three degrees); and the final step is Chivalric and the members Knights Templar (three orders).The Scottish Rite was formed in Charleston, South Carolina, in 1801 (thirty-three degrees including three Symbolic Lodge Degrees).

In many other groups, loosely attached in some way to the York Rite, members are usually selected but sometimes are elected. They are interested in special aspects of Masonry, including Masonic research. One might say they are offshoots of the main stem. Among them are the Royal Order of Scotland, the Allied Masonic Degrees, the Red Cross of Constantine, the Masonic Rosicrucian Society (SRICF), the Rite of Strict Observance (CBCS), the Grand College of Rites, Knight Masons, Order of Corks, the York Cross of Honour, the Blue Friars, and the Holy Royal Arch Knights Templar Priests. There are also what might be called fun degrees, such as the Shrine, the Grotto, and the Tall Cedars of Lebanon, many of which are of considerable size. In addition some very small groups cater to students of special aspects of the Craft.

IV OPPOSITION

Anti-Masonic sentiment occurred chiefly in two ways since the founding of the order. The first, religious, is the opposition of the Roman Catholic Church, although Freemasonry does not bar Catholics and a great many belong to lodges in Latin America and the Philippines. The second is political. For about a decade following the abduction from Batavia, New York, in 1821 of William Morgan, a Freemason who had threatened to publish Masonic secrets and who was commonly thought to have been kidnapped by the Masons, a general outcry was that many Masonic lodges had to be abandoned throughout the eastern and middle states of the United States. In the northern states the Anti-Masonic party was formed; for a few years it was practically the only opponent to the Democratic party. In 1832 the Anti-Masonic party nominated a lawyer, William Wirt, as its candidate for the presidency, but he was defeated by Andrew Jackson, who supported Masonry. Ironically, Wirt himself was a Mason. After that date the Freemasons encountered little political opposition in the United States or elsewhere, until the rise to power of the National Socialists in Germany in 1933. In that year Hitler charged the Masons with responsibility for various subversive activities, including all the incidents leading to World War I, and decreed the dissolution of all Masonic bodies in Germany. Among the notable members of the Masonic Order have been the composer Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (whose opera, The Magic Flute, hinges around masonic ritual), and the novelist Leo Tolstoy, whose novel War and Peace, extols its ideals of brotherhood.

* Reviewed by: General Grand Chapter of Royal Arch Masons

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I can assure you that any member of any secret society will only be human.

If you feel that the Freemasons are anything but humans themselves, then perhaps thats worth looking into because it's news to me. I'd be very interested to learn about these "super human" traits that allow them to predict and control the world. Very interested indeed! 

Outside of that, Freemasons are a good bunch of folks who would give you the shirt off their back if they thought you needed it. There is a HUGE amount of good work done by these folks! They donate, they build, they help their community and most importantly they INSPIRE! 

I would highly suggest disregarding any negative thing you have ever heard about Freemasonry because as someone who has never lied to you before, you'll just have to trust me on this. 

But you feel free to say what you will, just please back some of it up... Because, you know.. Freedom of speech here is sacred, unless your name is Stoma. biggrin

Don't take my kind words as weakness, because if I didn't feel Freemasonry was on the level, I would be the first one to say so... Without hesitation or reservation!



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I can assure you that any member of any secret society will only be human.

If you feel that the Freemasons are anything but humans themselves, then perhaps thats worth looking into because it's news to me. I'd be very interested to learn about these "super human" traits that allow them to predict and control the world. Very interested indeed! 

Outside of that, Freemasons are a good bunch of folks who would give you the shirt off their back if they thought you needed it. There is a HUGE amount of good work done by these folks! They donate, they build, they help their community and most importantly they INSPIRE! 

I would highly suggest disregarding any negative thing you have ever heard about Freemasonry because as someone who has never lied to you before, you'll just have to trust me on this. 

But you feel free to say what you will, just please back some of it up... Because, you know.. Freedom of speech here is sacred, unless your name is Stoma. biggrin

Don't take my kind words as weakness, because if I didn't feel Freemasonry was on the level, I would be the first one to say so... Without hesitation or reservation!


 Yo folks,

I have nothing against the Freemasons ! It's just that historically, they have played a huge role in the way the world has turned out, no doubt for the better, & yet remain secretive behind their closed doors. How can this not lead us to a little further inquiry ?...And of course, since the Illuminati is the main focus of the thread, & the Illuminati's main vein for spreading its "plans" were through masonic lodges, for better or worse, the two are in a sense intertwined, & have to come under some scrutiny. It's unavoidable.

For me, living now in the 21st Century, I honestly can't see why everyone in the world can't be educated, well fed, working for the better of humanity & the planet, & leaving their own personal stamp of well-being for everyone to discover, including all the animals & other living things here. This is not a dream, it can easily be a reality.

Our problems lay with Greed, Power, & Money, that ultimately feed certain peoples egos, namely the worlds leaders. And these certain people, whether by inheritance, bloodline, secret society placement, or other means, are the ones in power. They're not necessarily the Presidents, or Prime Ministers, or other governing elected officials, but rather the long-term-owners of Primary Resource Industry. And generally speaking, these folks belong to such groups as the Freemasons, & many other "secret societies".

I'd like change in the world. Knowing that it's possible for everyone to be cared for, I'd like to know why we aren't. This means we have to probe into these secretive-clubs, to find out why, if even that's possible....But from a historical point-of-view, the evidence of their work is clearly visible, if the responsibility for it remains blurry...

This is why I want to investigate further, & if that means a mistake in assessment here & there, that's generally the result of the thick layer of bullshit & secrecy that one has to siff through to hopefull gain a better insight, into why the folks that can make a difference, don't do so...

Later,

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That's real nice Rastus... Does this sympathy extend to your friends marooned on "Christmas Island"?

After all, if you're going to make a change - best start at home, right?



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After all, if you're going to make a change - best start at home, right?


 

I would suggest that it's best to start at the very top, so it can snow-ball down-hill...

 

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Yeah that's been tried before... Only they found out it only trickles down, rather than snowballs. 

How many Pyramids do you know of that ever get snow covered? LOL



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Yeah that's been tried before... Only they found out it only trickles down, rather than snowballs. 

How many Pyramids do you know of that ever get snow covered? LOL


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You have some serious phycological issues Stoma, I'd recommend a puppy if I thought it would be safe around you.



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I'm still calling BS on this thread.



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Which part ?...

Stoma won't be back. It's been too long.

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Really I just wanted to give this thread a bump... everything I had issues with we have already addressed. 

I was swimming in the deep end of the pool last night and wanted to reminisce. 

With regards to Stoma, I wouldn't be too sure... I been getting some weired calls at 3am lately, and that usually only happens when Stoma forgets his password... bummer for him since I have all non-programed phone numbers silenced and sent to voicemail now days, due to all the spam calls... so he might have to leave a message! LOL



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Yo,

So it appears that there's just the one, single corporation that rules the world via majority stock-holdings etc etc And they're known as Vanguard...I figured with all the monetary issues affecting everyone, it has to be going somewhere...( By this I mean that everyone in the world is suffering, including the US-of-A with inflation, gas & food prices etc etc ). So maybe this film will help expose the truth, & probably fits this thread well imo.

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A one hour video of some guy honking his own horn, looking for his 15 minutes of fame on YouTube?

Did you even watch that video Rastus? Where at the end it says to send the video to "important" people like Doctors and pillars of the community? This guy makes as much sense as someone taking a shit after getting out of the shower!

I'm not buying any of it! Human nature is not this fantisy the video creator is trying to project and you know it Rastus! 

I'm really tired of everyone and their brother with a computer trying to sell me on some idea thru a YouTube video... and it's not that I don't care, because I DO CARE! I care enough to say this guy and anyone else who makes such videos is also human and would also succumb to corruption if given enough money and power. We all have but one life to live, how we choose to live it is a personal choice.



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1.A one hour video of some guy honking his own horn, looking for his 15 minutes of fame on YouTube?

2.Did you even watch that video Rastus? Where at the end it says to send the video to "important" people like Doctors and pillars of the community? This guy makes as much sense as someone taking a shit after getting out of the shower!

3.I'm not buying any of it! Human nature is not this fantasy the video creator is trying to project and you know it Rastus! 

4.I'm really tired of everyone and their brother with a computer trying to sell me on some idea thru a YouTube video... and it's not that I don't care, because I DO CARE! I care enough to say this guy and anyone else who makes such videos is also human and would also succumb to corruption if given enough money and power. We all have but one life to live, how we choose to live it is a personal choice.


 

 Hmmm...

R1. No, one man revealing how a little investigation on his lap-top revealed that Vanguard owns & runs everything, & proves it well.

R2. Of course I watched it lol ! The idea about telling your doctor is to reveal the truth about the vaccines, & the human population reduction agenda...Not to mention that all the vaccine manufacturers are interconnected, as the scam was revealed by a Belgium official,,,Did you watch it ???

R3. I'm not asking you to buy any of it. But it does reveal the truth behind the curtain, of what parts of the "Illuminati" are controlling us via brainwashing. It's amazing how effective it is, don't you think ?...I thought you'd love seeing Hillary, Soros & Gates exposed to be honest.

R4. Live & let live !

The real bonus here is that it ties directly into why the ET's are here, the general population waking-up, & why Mr.Putin did what he did, to save us all from this atrocity...

* Some people can't see the forest through the trees, & that's ok too.



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I just don't see how world domination is anything new... been going on long before you and I... and it will keep going on long after we are gone!

I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying we're all human... susceptible to the traits that made all these modern day dictators and politicians you complain about the way they are.

Take for example, AOC... from bartender to congress! She got a taste of it and liked it! She was never really innocent, but now she's just flat out toxic. 

Anyway, I was not moved by the video... I respect that the creator took the time to explain his opinion, but honestly I never asked for it. That being said, everyone loves their own brand, and I don't take issue with anyone that wishes to share their opinions... but just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean that it's mine or that I'll agree with it 100%. To each their own!

 



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BTW, I have heard of Vanguard before... I was not aware they were as intertwined in the market as you suggest...

Although I do agree, any firm that would hold most of the market in it's portfolio would be able to control and manipulate the market.

Perhaps you could muster up some charts and stuff so we may see how true this claim about Vangaurd is... I'd be most interested to learn about that, and no I'm not going to re-watch that on hour video that is ladden with constant fear mongering...

Just the facts... Just the numbers!

Vanguard, tell me what YOU know... what YOU can prove... not what some jagoff witha YouTube account and a camera spoon feed you. You say Vangard holds the majority of the stocks round the world... this should be easy enough to prove if true? Right?



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1. I just don't see how world domination is anything new... been going on long before you and I... and it will keep going on long after we are gone!

2. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying we're all human... susceptible to the traits that made all these modern day dictators and politicians you complain about the way they are.

3. Take for example, AOC... from bartender to congress! She got a taste of it and liked it! She was never really innocent, but now she's just flat out toxic.

4. Anyway, I was not moved by the video... I respect that the creator took the time to explain his opinion, but honestly I never asked for it. That being said, everyone loves their own brand, and I don't take issue with anyone that wishes to share their opinions... but just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean that it's mine or that I'll agree with it 100%. To each their own!

5. BTW, I have heard of Vanguard before ... I was not aware they were as intertwined in the market as you suggest...

6. Although I do agree, any firm that would hold most of the market in it's portfolio would be able to control and manipulate the market.

7. Perhaps you could muster up some charts and stuff so we may see how true this claim about Vangaurd is... I'd be most interested to learn about that, and no I'm not going to re-watch that on hour video that is ladden with constant fear mongering...

8. Just the facts... Just the numbers!

9. Vanguard, tell me what YOU know... what YOU can prove... not what some jagoff with a YouTube account and a camera can spoon feed you. You say Vangard holds the majority of the stocks round the world... this should be easy enough to prove if true? Right?
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Whoaa !!!

R1. We're in a great "shift" at the moment Stellar. A universal one. The vibration of everything & everyone is hopefully rising, into a new world of peace & prosperity, so I'm betting that world domination will fail, & everyone will be far better off. The one thing the video did indicate is how the "money" around the world is moving to the less than 1% Trillionaires.

R2. The "shift" also means that "spiritual" entities of higher dimensions are here ( ET's included ), & that the evil that invades the lesser folks ( our leaders ) is being removed, big-time.

R3. See R2...

R4. Fair enough. I thought it funny that you bumped this thread a week or so a go & called "bollox" to it all, & then this video appeared in my mailbox via Janet at Manifest Injustice. It seemed better to post the video than link her blog under the circumstances...And it sits perfectly in this thread imo.

R5. No, I'm not suggesting anything, it's not my film, though I was of the understanding that the "4-horsemen" pushed-&-shoved each other for world-domination, but everyone serves somebody, & Vanguard appears to be that elusive somebody.

R6. Yes, don't forget that the "west" is only 1/8-th of the worlds population,& the elite use many methods to control & brainwash us, as revealed...I thought the sequence of all the NEWS presenters speaking at exactly the same time, the same story, one after the other, stating that our "Democracy could be affected" etc etc quite scary...We have no Democracy obviously, we're just brainwashed into thinking we have, & that we have freedom & liberty, which the bogus Covid-laws & curfews revealed.

R7. The presenter has done all the home-work for us Stellar, why double-up ? I'm satisfied with his research, as it strengthens my own perspectives on these matters, that I've brought here many times, but maybe in different threads. But remember here that I see the ET's on a regular basis, so I don't need any convincing of what's going on. I only try to encourage others to join-in with the CE-5 experience, & once attained, you move on from the bollox, & most of the truth falls into place. I'd check-out James Gilliland's Ranch in Washington State if I was in your circumstance. And I'd take the wife & kids too, if they wanted to come for the drive, before the ice & winter set-in.

R8. I always watch the films etc I post up a number of times, to get the most out-of-them. The numbers change second-for-second in the markets, & they really don't interest me.

R9. The Jagoff has already satisfied my needs, as he directly corresponds with Dr.Greer's stuff, & the Zeitgeist series of films, which are in here somewhere...The thing is here, is that it's the most up-to-date for the moment, however the Jagoff indicated more films to come, so I'll link them when available.

In finishing, I recommend a download of the film, & a few re-watches to get the most out-of-it. It is quite a shock to the system, but the truth always is...I'd love to hear Shawnee's take on it, but I'm still awaiting his reply on the the other films in the UFO thread lol !

I'm confident that all will be well in time, but a lot of shyte is yet to come first.



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Yo,

This video is just-in from Dr.Salla from Exopolitics...It's an interview with a man who has joined many "secret societies" in his time, along with writing around 10-books on the matter, so since our "Vanguard" video has disappeared ( likely because they're in court lol ), it makes sense to update this important thread, & hear what has to be said on this matter...Afterall, since the Illuminati control the world & its money, it makes sense that they know about ET's & other phenomena...

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LOL !

After reading from the start of this short thread (so far ), it's clear that more & more facts & people are revealing themselves, & confirming information stated in earlier posts...

The above video "is" a True-Modern-Classic imo...Something that everyone needs to watch...You tube even banned / edited a few-minute-section towards the end LOL ! ( Available on Rumble however )...

All that said, James Gilliland's new & past posts in the UFO thread confirm all that was edited-out of the video above, so just go to the UFO thread...

I appreciate our hosts scepticism, it is very-much necessary !!! But the facts via cross-referencing threads in here & other news sources indicate clearly the direction were going, & reveal what lies ahead, & reveals who's behind it all...

Time to get your own act-together folks, only you can help yourself !

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