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SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Why is Trump appeasing Democrats by letting Russian relations wither?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Hi Folks,

Who cares ???

I've worked a number of times with great people from all over the world, at sea, as marine engineers & crew, & some of them have been natives of the Ukraine...

From what I remember them having to say about home, is that it's all corrupted, & run by political gangsters, essentially taking orders from Russia. There hearts are bound to their soil-of-birth, so they don't want to leave, & yet, they live in fear of the "unspoken" gangster world that surrounds them. Russia is the country next door, so it matters little to UN resolutions, it remains next door, & the shadow of its evil remains, at least politically.

I'd say the less that has to be associated with Russia, the better to be honest with you. If I was Mr.Trump, Id' have nothing to do with them !...But wait...You two countries are the biggest boys with the biggest toys, so I guess there is something you have in common after-all.

I guess that's just another worthwhile reason to rid the US-of-A of Nukes, so you don't have anything to do with Russia LOL !...But wait, the world bank it seems finances both your countries....Might be better to get rid of the Federal Reserve too...

Cheers,

Rastus

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Just seems to me Rastus, that appeasing the Democrats in this way only furthers their PC campaign of misinformation. Should it matter if the Russian President wanted to deal with Trump more than he did Obama or Hillary? Maybe, but not for the reasons that Democrats are trying to use! It matters in the sense that it's a GOOD thing, not a BAD thing! It's GOOD if Russia and the USA and come together to do some good things, even if it were short lived or limited only to President Trumps time in office.

That's not to say I think these recent revelations about a Russian ship sitting off our coast, or Russia testing a missile are insignificant, just that I see them as Russia's way of trying to tell the current Administration that they are just as important as China, Japan, England, or Israel... You have to understand that Putin is, much like Trump, a very easy guy to understand. You'll always know where you stand with these two guys, as they both shoot from the hip, unlike Obama would would wave his gun around and hold it sideways at chest level. That is what you call a loose cannon, you can't ever expect to understand someone like Obama, because Obama himself never really knew where he stood on anything, unless it was demoralizing America and being a Champion for Radical Islamic Terrorism.

Why is Russia floating boats near the USA and testing missiles? Because 8 years of inaction by Obama for these sorts of things has pretty much set a precedent that if you want Americas attention you have to set off some nukes, launch some rockets and otherwise act in a hostel way. The way Obama has screwed up foreign policy over the past year has seen a rise in missile and nuclear test by nations who prior to Obama would have never even thought about trying something like that. An example must be set and the only way to set this example is for Russia and the USA to team up, if only for a short time, to make examples out of these nations that keep sending up missiles and secretly develop nuclear weapons with the sole public reason being to attack the USA! If Russia and the USA turned out North Korea and Iran by way of massive force, do you REALLY THINK another nation would try this Obama era approach to getting attention from the USA? I highly doubt it.

We need to quit screwing around! Just because Iran and North Korea claim they are at odds with the USA now, it could very easily become a reality that either one of these nations could threaten Australia, China, Russia, and any other country they disagreed with. Something has to be done NOW!

-- Edited by SELLC on Thursday 16th of February 2017 07:12:49 AM

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Hmmm,

Russia may well be suffering from the fall-out of radiation from Japan like you folks are in the US-of-A, after-all, your the first stop for the shit to land, depending on the winds...And since this stuff is likely falling on Russia too, it makes sense for them to do tests of their own on the contamination of the Pacific Ocean...

I'm sure that their own seas to the North are radioactive from their own fall-out over the years, so fishing is no good, or rather, there's no fishes anymore. They can't fish in the Atlanatic due to the West's security concerns & NATO, so they likely are searching out if there's any fishes left at all...And likely assessing the huge amount of radiological-damage that's befallen the US-of-A.

Russia to survive in this world "has" to throw dice like the rest of us with the "world banks", even if its a communist society cloaked in a democratic over-coat. Russia has to try & build quality industrial products that can compete on the world stage for a share in the market place. And this is precisely where the country suffers & is behind the US-of-A by a number of years...Russia is trying to build industry, whilst the US-of-A has sold it off to lesser countries, & rides the wealth of the stock-market with profit returns. And the US-of-A also protects the vast natural resources that it has, by squandering other nations resources first, so that when they all run out, the US-of-A can then mine it's own out, continuing the momentum of that present industry, whilst also maintaining governance-under-threat, in the Western sphere of the world, as Russia is trying to do now in the East. The issue remains likely with China, from an economic stand-point IMO.

As for Nth Korea, lets face it, the place in truth, is nothing more than a mosquito giving everyone the shits, though in splattering it, will affect / destroy the lives of many good people.

Later,

Rastus

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I'd like to think with North Korea it's as simple as cutting off the head of the snake. You can't tell me we don't have the technology to track that fat fucker from space, then vaporize him with a high intensity laser discharge. I mean come on, how hard can it be?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

LOL,

That I don't know, & I don't know why it hasn't been done yet...But when you stop & think about it, he's actually good to have around too, as from a political point-of-view, he keeps you, the military, & the nuke industry all in jobs....

Later,

Rastus

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

You look back in history and there is always a mass slaughter that brings about change for the better... I always though that space exploration would proliferate to the point where the world would come together as one, not in any fictional world peace sort of way, but in a way that would unite the people of Earth. I think we already have it now but it's not outer space, it's inner space! As in the "inter-net".

I do think there is soon going to be a one world order. It's coming and it's needed.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

And furthermore, I think President Trump is just saving the best for last.

I bet they hit it off, and before you know it we'll have Putin visiting here, and Trump visiting there!

I am with President Trump 100%! A good relationship between the USA and Russia could be a "good" thing!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Yo,

The idea of putting man on the moon was for purely military purposes, so that you could aim your weapons at who you wanted, & spy all you liked. Russia & the US-of-A were in a race to dominated the world. And of course, the US-of-A pulled-off the most remarkable scam by claiming they actually made it too the moon !!! When of course, it was just TV studio footage of the lunar landing.

There's a band of super-toxic radiation known as the Van Allen belt that surrounds the earth, & it is most unlikely that any human would survive the radiation levels as they passed through it.

* The space capsule was NOT insulated with lead, or other protective substance. It proved to be too weight-biased for the capsule, & the rocket would fail & not fly.
* The space suits were NOT insulated for these high radiation levels, as manufacturer receipts reveal. Otherwise, why aren't they used to help in the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear holocaust ?
* The orbital lander has a jet engine capable of over 50,000 ft/lbs of thrust, & yet there's no dust scattered from its apparent blast, & no blast crater left, or any real sign of it being there...That's because a crane was used with wires to hoist it up....
* The fact that humans can't get to the moon is why president Reagan's "Star Wars" was the best option for military dominance in outer space.

The list goes on & one, but I'm steering away from the thread sorry.

Historically speaking, Russia just can't be trusted, & any signed treaty is really less useful than a sheet of toilet paper IMO....But still, maybe economic agreements could be useful between you two.

Ciao,

Rastus

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Historically the U.S. And Russia have come together to do some good. We teamed up with left wing communist Russia to defeat right wing fascist Germany in WW2, because Russia was by far the lesser of those two evils. And Russia paid a much, much greater cost in terms of soldiers lost.

As far as countries are concerned, yes it would be great if we spent more time as colleagues for a common good. And while they are one of the other "big guys" on the block, we naturally view each-other as adversaries/rivals, just as we do with China. This is normal and expected, and frequently we can do business with our adversaries and co-exist just fine.

The problem is not Russia, the problem is Putin. And because Putin has complete control of the Russian machine right now, and probably will for a long time to come, Russia will not be the normal adversary of the U.S. but borderline on being an actual enemy. This isn't just Democrats that take this view, you can ask the overwhelming majority of congressional Republicans how they feel about Putin. Putin has, and continues to assassinate his own political adversaries. His opposition leader was gunned down just blocks from the Kremlin only a day before he was to lead a protest march. That would be like Obama ordering a hit on Romney. Putin has even used his operatives here to assassinate his political enemies while they were "safe" in another country. One such event was done with an almost undetectable radioactive isotope Pollonium 210. Not exactly something you can buy at Wal Mart.
As Americans, we have evolved to expressing our political differences in debates, elections, and public web forums. As much as I disagree with you on many issues Rex, I would never wish any harm to come to you or your family. Putin takes another view of such matters though.

I accept that Donald Trump is my president.
You need to accept that interference from Putin helped Trump achieve the presidency, and Putin's reasons for helping Trump are not in America's best interest - despite some political satisfaction you may be experiencing from the result. When a foreign power can influence an American election, the problem is far bigger than any argument our political parties may have with eachother.

I'm not making this stuff up, and neither did the Democrats. If we did, Michael Flynn would still be our National Security Advisor.

This is an example of how Putin operates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Well done PowerStroker, & thank-you !

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Here's another one of Putin's hit jobs:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Thursday 16th of February 2017 08:51:40 PM

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Let's also not forget about the 60,000,000 people of the Russians own people they killed off either during WW-II....Or the plight of the Kossacks....And the etc etc....

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Rastus wrote:

There's a band of super-toxic radiation known as the Van Allen belt that surrounds the earth, & it is most unlikely that any human would survive the radiation levels as they passed through it.

* The space capsule was NOT insulated with lead, or other protective substance. It proved to be too weight-biased for the capsule, & the rocket would fail & not fly.
* The space suits were NOT insulated for these high radiation levels, as manufacturer receipts reveal. Otherwise, why aren't they used to help in the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear holocaust ?
* The orbital lander has a jet engine capable of over 50,000 ft/lbs of thrust, & yet there's no dust scattered from its apparent blast, & no blast crater left, or any real sign of it being there...That's because a crane was used with wires to hoist it up....
* The fact that humans can't get to the moon is why president Reagan's "Star Wars" was the best option for military dominance in outer space.

They have people up in space stations right now Rastus.. They made it thru the Van Allen belt, and so did all the monkeys they sent up there!

This is certainly comical, and the kind of stuff you would see on the movie "Creepshow", which is a favorite of mine. I know you don't like Hollywood films, but this kind of stuff is certainly boarder lining Hitchcock and Twilight Zone material.

Still... It's your dime.. Could there be some truth in there? I'll tell you the next time I take a vacation into outer space! LOL, but it won't be on one of Elon Musk's rockets, at least not anytime soon!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

LOL,

But the US-of-A did not make it to the moon mate !

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:

I accept that Donald Trump is my president.
You need to accept that interference from Putin helped Trump achieve the presidency, and Putin's reasons for helping Trump are not in America's best interest - despite some political satisfaction you may be experiencing from the result. When a foreign power can influence an American election, the problem is far bigger than any argument our political parties may have with eachother.

I'm not making this stuff up, and neither did the Democrats. If we did, Michael Flynn would still be our National Security Advisor.

This is an example of how Putin operates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko

You accept Donald Trump as your President because he IS your President, PowerStroker.

Everything after your first sentence is denial of what you originally said... Please tell me you see this!?

I personally think Putin will be the key to a Russian undoing, not Trump and the same goes for Trump. You worry so much about Russia when really whatever is going to happen with Russia is going to happen regardless if Trump was in there... Now I can't deny I feel a lot better Trump is in there, than Hillary who sold Russia 20% of our Uranium for donations to her foundation.

As I have said, I think President Trump is saving the best for last. He is talking with everyone else so when he does finally meet with Putin he's got a better idea of what's going on. President Trump is good, but he barely has had a month to get up to speed. That's not much time when you think of things from a global perspective. Don't forget PowerStroker, your boy Obama's do nothing policy and comical "red-line" has a lot to do with why Putin has become so embolden. Don't you agree?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Rastus wrote:
LOL,

But the US-of-A did not make it to the moon mate !

Then where did this come from Rastus?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

LOL,

Anyone of the 1,000's of shooting stars that manage to make it to the ground without vaporizing maybe ?....

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

So where's the crater that 50,000 ft/lbs of thrust should have created ?....And why is the module so clean after apparently blasting the moons surface with said 50,000 ft/lbs worth of thrust ?...And shouldn't the shadows all be pointing in the same direction, since the sun is the only known light source ?....Or do we have multiple light sources here ?

Myth busted !!!

Rastus

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
Don't forget PowerStroker, your boy Obama's do nothing policy and comical "red-line" has a lot to do with why Putin has become so embolden. Don't you agree?

The "red-line" to which you refer is with regard to Assad using chemical weapons against his people in Syria. Were it not for us being in a proxy war with Russia there, Obama probably would have done more. The thing is, and this is relevant to our discussion... Russia (Putin) is in bed with Assad, and has taken Assad's side and assisted him in murdering his political opposition. America is on the side of the people being killed by Assad and Putin. If Obama had actionable intelligence on Assad's location and launched a cruise missile that way for example, Putin would have taken it as an attack on one of his closest allies. Then we would be off to the races in a possible military conflict directly with Russia.

What would you have done differently in Obama's position?

Trump is an American Nationalist

Putin is a Russian Nationalist, who is much, much more diabolical, smarter, and better at it than Trump will ever be.

President Trump's own Secretary of Defense General James Mattis even is fully convinced in Russia's involvement in tampering with our election, and he's even more right-wing than you.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Thursday 16th of February 2017 10:07:24 PM

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Now the shadows above are pointing in contradictory fashion don't you agree ?...This means multiple studio light sources are used.....And wouldn't it be difficult as an astronaut, with all that survival gear fitted, to squeeze into the lunar module ?...Hmmm, apparently they don't fit at all, & it's very difficult to even get two undressed people in the darn thing successfully, yet alone be able to move around & put-on all that stuff...

Later,

Rastus

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

PowerStroker wrote:
SELLC wrote:
Don't forget PowerStroker, your boy Obama's do nothing policy and comical "red-line" has a lot to do with why Putin has become so embolden. Don't you agree?

Putin is a Russian Nationalist, who is much, much more diabolical, smarter, and better at it than Trump will ever be.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Thursday 16th of February 2017 10:01:35 PM

That's about it PowerStroker !

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Rastus wrote:

Putin is a Russian Nationalist, who is much, much more diabolical, smarter, and better at it than Trump will ever be.

Wow, you haven't been paying attention the past few weeks have you Rastus?

While I think a US / Russian alliance would be nice, Trump will still crack Putins skull. It is you who are afraid of the Russians and it is Putin who is scared of Trump!

Trump isn't worried in the least! Not even one single bit! And how about Putins wife!? Got a photo of her?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Odd that if Putin is so scared of Trump, he would work so hard to get him elected.

Perhaps Putin just didn't have any golden shower videos of Hillary so he thought Trump would be easier to blackmail?

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 17th of February 2017 09:26:36 AM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I still think once we get these two in the same room they'll hit it off.

I don't think Putin, like many others, really thought Trump would pull it off. But I do feel that after the election Putin really was hurt that Trump didn't immediately work to mend relations. What Putin doesn't get is the fact that Trump isn't in Russia and as such had to keep his distance and appease the Democrats. I don't feel the Russians interfered with the election any more than they ever do, or any more than we interfere with other nations elections.

I honestly feel Putin wanted Hillary, since she gave them 20% of our uranium. He certainly didn't want it looking that way and you have to admit, given the news reporting at the time, Trump wasn't sure if he was going to pull it off either.