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Notice how the left calls the wall Medieval? What do they call a horde of invaders THROWING ROCKS trying to invade.

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U.S. government shutdown grinds on, Trump threatens emergency powers

 
 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump and senior Democrats failed to strike a deal in talks on Friday to end a partial shutdown of the U.S. government as they again fought over Trumps request for $5 billion to fund his signature wall on the Mexican border.

 
 
 
 
 

After Democratic congressional leaders turned Trump down at a meeting in the White House Situation Room, the Republican president threatened to take the controversial step of using emergency powers to build the wall without approval from Congress.

Trump is withholding his support for a bill that would fully fund the government until he secures the money for the wall and as a result about 800,000 federal workers have been unpaid due to the closure of about a quarter of the federal government.

Administration officials, led by Vice President Mike Pence, and congressional staffers are to meet during the weekend to try to end the impasse over the 2-week-old shutdown.

 

Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer said Democrats had told Trump during the meeting to end the shutdown. He resisted, Schumer said. In fact, he said hed keep the government closed for a very long period of time, months or even years.

Trump confirmed that comment but painted a more positive picture of the meeting, the first since a new era of divided government began when Democrats took control of the House of Representatives on Thursday.

We had a very, very productive meeting, and weve come a long way, Trump said.

 
 
 
U.S. President Donald Trump works at his desk in the Oval Office as he prepares to speak to reporters in the Rose Garden after a meeting with U.S. Congressional leaders about the government shutdown at the White House in Washington, U.S., January 4, 2019. REUTERS/Carlos Barria

But raising the stakes in his tussle with the newly emboldened Democrats, Trump threatened extraordinary measures to build the wall, which he says is needed to stem the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs into the United States.

NATIONAL EMERGENCY?

Asked by a reporter whether he had considered declaring a national emergency to build the wall, Trump said: Yes, I have ... I may do it ... But we can call a national emergency and build it very quickly.

 

He said he could declare a national emergency because of the security of our country, absolutely.

The U.S. Constitution assigns Congress the power over funding the federal government so Trump likely would face legal challenges if he tried to bypass Congress on financing the wall. Building a wall - and having Mexico pay for it - was one of Trumps main promises when he ran for president in 2016.

Trumps wall project is estimated to cost about $23 billion.

 
 
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Democrats have called the wall immoral, ineffective and medieval.

Nancy Pelosi, the newly elected Democratic speaker of the House, said Fridays meeting with Trump was sometimes contentious but that they agreed to continue talking.

But we recognize on the Democratic side that we really cannot resolve this until we open up government and we made that very clear to the president, she said.

Trump digs in on Day 12 of shutdown

Credit rating agency Moodys says the shutdown will cause minimal U.S. economic and credit market disruption but there could be a more severe impact on financial markets and the broad economy if the closure is protracted.

A Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll last week showed that 50 percent of the public blame Trump for the shutdown and 7 percent blame Republican lawmakers, against 32 percent who blame Democrats.

In a Dec. 11 meeting with Pelosi and Schumer, Trump said he would be proud to shut the government over the security issue and would not blame Democrats. He has since said they are responsible.

The partial shutdown is straining the countrys immigration system, worsening backlogs in courts and complicating hiring for employers.

Federal agencies such as the Justice Department, Commerce Department and departments of Agriculture, Labor, Interior and Treasury have been hit by the shutdown.

Reporting by Richard Cowan and Jeff Mason; Additional reporting by Susan Heavey, Susan Cornwell, Tim Ahmann and Lisa Lambert; Writing by Alistair Bell; Editing by Bill Trott

 
 
 
 
JANUARY 4, 2019 / 2:18 PM / UPDATED 23 MINUTES AGO

Trump says he could use emergency powers to build border wall



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I was thinking about how funny it is to have US-of-A Military presence in so many parts-of-the-world, but none at your own borders....

At over 810-Billion a year spent on the DoD, you'd think a few troops at the border was in-the-tax-payers-deal...

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You'd think so.

Build the wall!

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What we need right now is a good crisis... you know, one that allows you to do things you never thought possible.. like uprooting all the deep operatives from congress - including some of the more newer uppity ones.

It is just a shame we need a crisis to enact the Emergency Powers act, or that so many Americans could be foolish enough to even allow people like this to get elected. 

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Hang on Sell. It's going down. Trumps ex order on using Military Tribunes went into effect Tuesday, tribunals to begin yesterday. NO WE WON"T HEAR OF THEM I"M SURE.

Many haven't paid much heed to how much expansion at GITMO, how many troops, how many Marines. I have heard Kelly and Mattis are there to do the tribs.

World wide cabal, elites already there. Get your popcorn.

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Here's the up-to-date history on GITMO, from wiki...

Interesting to note that some of the folks responsible for the opening of the place, may just end-up-there for 9/11 crimes against the free world...

 

 

 



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Crap Mate gotta check that out tomorrow. >:)

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Crap. Does a millisecond to the site then to main page Benzworld? Darrrrrnnnnn

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The Constitution gives the president a great many powers. Inventing $23 BILLION (or redirecting it from other agencies) to build a wall without Congressional approval ain't one of them, ever, even in an "emergency."

I sure hope he talks his idea over with the White House Counsel's office before attempting something that would surely end his presidency.

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I don't think he is "inventing 23 bil" Money is there. 3 D chess he was playing all along. Cash for the wal was in Mil/pentagin funding, All along!!!

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Yeah, he can't redirect money like that. The US Government isn't run like the Trump business empire, there are rules he has to follow.

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Yeah, he can't redirect money like that. The US Government isn't run like the Trump business empire, there are rules he has to follow.


 

Oh yes he can! If you dont like the emergency powers extended to President Trump - wait until he has WAR POWERS! 

People like you will be eating boiled bamboo somewhere in Asia while we root out the bad apples here at home...

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Yeah, he can't redirect money like that. The US Government isn't run like the Trump business empire, there are rules he has to follow.


 I'm betting in the interest of national security and invaders he can have troops build it with their funds.



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Congressman Warren Davidson introduced Bill HR 32, Buy a Brick, Build the Wall Act, to authorize the use of the $18 million from the GoFundMe account.

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Remember Brian Kolfage, the Florida Air Force veteran who took border security into his own hands and started a GoFundMe page asking for donations to build a wall on the southern border? His campaign hit a nerve and took off, raising almost $19 million in a couple weeks, making it the second largest campaign of the year.

Members of Congress took note and are taking advantage of the successful campaign. On Thursday, the first day of the 116th Congress, Rep. Warren Davidson (R-OH) reintroduced his Buy a Brick, Build the Wall Act." The bill would direct the Treasury Department to set up a fund allowing private citizens to make contributions to fund and maintain border walls.

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I have no problem with private funding for the wall. Were I in Congress, I'd probably co-sponsor the damn thing.

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I don't care how they fund it, just do it.

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AN INCREDIBLE SOLUTION TO BUILDING THE BORDER WALL

Exclusive: Chuck Norris lauds promising legislation that would fully fund construction

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I have written many articles over the years, but I have never written an article more important than this one. While Democrat and Republican leaders in Washington are polarized and in gridlock over how to pay for a wall on the U.S. southern border with Mexico, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) is a Lone Ranger with a Tonto-sized idea riding into town to get the job done in a way that would cost taxpayers nothing at all.

Because I live in the border state of Texas, it has made this issue even more personal to me. I also have many black belts that live in Mexico that are hindered by this crisis to even be able to visit the U.S. legally in order to attend our annual United Fighting Arts Federation (UFAF) Convention in Las Vegas.

On Thursday, a press release went out from Sen. Cruzs office that was titled: Sen. Cruz Reintroduces EL CHAPO Act.

EL CHAPO is the nickname (Shorty) for the infamous Mexican mafia kingpin who is the former leader of the Sinaloa drug cartel and was extradited to the U.S. to face criminal prosecution for numerous drug-related crimes, including conspiracy to commit murder and money laundering. He is presently on trial in New York for all these charges, where the son of the cartels co-founder just testified for hours against the drug lord.

EL CHAPO is also an acrostic for Sen. Cruzs bill that stands for the Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order (EL CHAPO) Act. The full bill text may be viewed here

The PR explained: The bill would reserve any amounts forfeited to the U.S. Government as a result of the criminal prosecution of El Chapo (formally named Joaquin Archivaldo Guzman Lorea) and other drug lords for border security assets and the completion of the wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Sally Q. Yates, who served as U.S. Attorney General (2017) and U.S. Deputy Attorney General (20152017) during El Chapos capture, explained: Guzmán Loera is the alleged leader of a multi-billion dollar, multi-national criminal enterprise that funneled drugs onto our streets and violence and misery into our communities.

If you didnt know, El Chapo is almost entirely responsible for the majority of drugs that come up through the U.S. southern border. As the co-founder and head of the Sinaloa Cartel, he is the #1 supplier of marijuana, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamines into the U.S. If you or your loved ones have ever tried or been addicted to illegal drugs, odds are they originated from the Sinaloa Cartel.

 

Consider that in just four shipments of drugs, Assistant U.S. Attorney Adam Fels said in his opening argument that El Chapo had sent more than a line of cocaine for every single person in the United States. That amounts to over 328 million lines of cocaine in just four shipments.

Consider the proliferation of El Chapos drug industry in communities across the U.S. compared to other cartels through this colored map:

 

image: https://www.wnd.com/files/2019/01/El-Chapo%E2%80%99s-drug-industry-in-communities-across-U.S.-2.jpg


 

Time magazine summarized: [El Chapos cartel carnage] has left a trail of victims to rival any conventional war. In the U.S., there were more than 15,000 heroin-related deaths in 2016, a fivefold increase since 2010. In Mexico, the clash between rival cartels fighting one another and security forces over billion-dollar trafficking routes and other rackets is estimated to have killed more than 119,000 people over a decade. If the war on drugs were classified as a military conflict, it would be one of the worlds deadliest.

That is why the U.S. government is presently pursuing the criminal forfeiture of more than $14 billion from El Chapos narcotic sales and other illicit profits.

So, does El Chapo have the money to fund our U.S. southern border wall?

Dolia Estevez, who covers Mexicos billionaires, politics and U.S.-Mexico relations, wrote in Forbes: The 33-page indictment against El Chapo, filed in 2016 at the U.S. Eastern District of New York, does not dissect the $14 billion. It simply says that upon conviction, the U.S. will seek forfeiture of any property or contractual rights derived from the continuing criminal enterprise, including but not limited to at least approximately a sum of money equal to $14 billion in United States currency.'

But David Gaddis, a former chief of enforcement operations at the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), explained that the $14 billion is a cumulative figure and based on his drug trafficking enterprise. Gaddis said that between DEA and the Treasury Departments Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), many companies associated with it are implicated in the money laundering aspect and will be targeted.

In 2011, El Chapo was ranked the 10th-richest man in Mexico and 1,140th in the world, with a personal net worth of roughly $1 billion. However, as head of the Sinaloa Cartel, an international criminal organization with billions of dollars in revenues that are laundered through over 288 companies and a shipping and transport empire to traffic drugs, El Chapo still has access to astronomical amounts of money from a plethora of illegal resources. The fact is, $14 billion is chump change from that El chumpo!

 

What would $14 billion of El Chapos dirty money get us? Even CNN had to confess that a concrete slab that stretched the full length of the border and was 25 feet high (five feet underground and 20 feet above it) and steel reinforced would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $12 billion dollars and could be completed during a single term of a president. So, Washington would have $2 billion leftover from El Chapos money for border personnel, drones and other electronic surveillance and securities.

Is Sen. Cruzs EL CHAPO Act not a brilliant idea to fund the border wall between the U.S. and Mexico? And guess what? A Mexican pays for it after all one evil hombre who has repeatedly raped Americas communities and the souls of precious millions through narcotics and other criminalities for the past three decades.

Think of the impact passing the EL CHAPO Act could have. First, El Chapos drug monies could fund the completion of the entire U.S. southern border wall. Second, simultaneously the majority of El Chapos own drug trafficking into our country would be greatly diminished using his own monies. Third, president Trump could fulfill his primary campaign promise. Fourth, the Democrats would be able to open their government the same day the EL CHAPO Act passed.

Let it be clear: Passing that single bill could be the compromise they all are looking for, and it is the best win-win-win-win solution the Congress and president could ever enact!

Congress has a clear mandate from the American people: secure the border and build the wall, Sen. Cruz said. Ensuring the safety and security of Texans is one of my top priorities. Indeed, I have long called for building a wall as a necessary step in defending our border. Fourteen billion dollars will go a long way to secure our southern border, and hinder the illegal flow of drugs, weapons, and individuals. By leveraging any criminally forfeited assets of El Chapo and other murderous drug lords, we can offset the cost of securing our border and make meaningful progress toward delivering on the promises made to the American people.

But Sen. Cruz and I need your help before the EL CHAPO Act becomes the most overlooked solution and government missed opportunity in decades to unify our country, bolster our borders, diminish the drug trade and save the lives and families of millions of Americans.

Please, please take a moment right now to share this article on all your social media and contact your U.S. RepresentativesU.S. Senators, and email or call president Trump to entreat them all to support and pass Sen. Cruzs EL CHAPO Act ASAP.

 


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I have no problem with private funding for the wall. Were I in Congress, I'd probably co-sponsor the damn thing.


 

Gee, I thought border security was something the Government was supposed to handle!? Are we to start getting our own armies now?

Incase you havent noticed, no one cares what you do or dont have a problem with... The Government is shut down because of unhinged people like yourself.



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Actually a lot of traditional military duties have been outsourced to private contractors, at great expense mind you.

If you can seize El Chapo's money, then go ahead and build the wall with that, but don't expect a single taxpayer dollar for it until you agree to repeal the Trump tax cut.

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Actually a lot of traditional military duties have been outsourced to private contractors, at great expense mind you.

If you can seize El Chapo's money, then go ahead and build the wall with that, but don't expect a single taxpayer dollar for it until you agree to repeal the Trump tax cut.


 Pelosi pledged a dollar. biggrin The go fund me guy went to DC to collect it! That's funny, don't care who you are, that's funny.



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Actually a lot of traditional military duties have been outsourced to private contractors, at great expense mind you.

If you can seize El Chapo's money, then go ahead and build the wall with that, but don't expect a single taxpayer dollar for it until you agree to repeal the Trump tax cut.


 

We have ways around the do nothing congress... Dont you worry PowerStroker! 

If you pay close attention tomorrow you will notice there are a whole lot less people with your mental condition in Washington... You know why? Because it is shut down, and it will stay that way until your party fulfills its security obligations to the people of this country.

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Actually a lot of traditional military duties have been outsourced to private contractors, at great expense mind you.

If you can seize El Chapo's money, then go ahead and build the wall with that, but don't expect a single taxpayer dollar for it until you agree to repeal the Trump tax cut.


 Which ones? Just curious as I know how mil contractors are used but "traditional duties" got me baffled. 

At great expense? OH yeah I believe that! All my time in civil service I seen that, Horror stories could fill Claritys thread and more.



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I was mostly referring to hired mercenaries like Blackwater, but back in the time of WW2 a lot of the logistical support now done by companies like Halliburton were done by military personnel.



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That is because during a World War the US in essence "owns" every company in the USA.

 



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I was mostly referring to hired mercenaries like Blackwater, but back in the time of WW2 a lot of the logistical support now done by companies like Halliburton were done by military personnel.


 Imteresting. Forgot about them. Still goimg too arent they?



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qt "When the appointed Chef, has to close down the kitchen, because he can't cook anything up, it's time to get Yo Momma in there"....

And Yo Momma is Nancy !!!

Nancy 2020 !!!

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Fox News Legal Analyst Warns Trump Off New Wall Plan: 'He's In Dangerous Waters'

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President Donald Trump is considering using his emergency powers to bypass Congress to get his border wall built. At least one legal expert says he cant do it. 

The president may be biting off more than he can chew here legally and financially, Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano told Martha MacCallum on Monday. He is clearly in dangerous waters constitutionally.

Napolitano said the president does have certain emergency powers. 

But he cant spend money and he cant take property unless the Congress has authorized it, he said. Thats directly from the Constitution.

Napolitano added:

 

If that were not the case, then President Obama could have declared, Its a national emergency, there isnt enough health insurance around, were going to start paying for it.

 

Trump also cant take money from other programs and use it for a wall. 

Otherwise, hes bypassing the Congress and hes not a president. Hes a prince, Napolitano said. 

Napolitano made similar comments earlier in the day on Fox Business.

Thats not me saying no, he told Maria Bartiromo, because the Supreme Court said no when Harry Truman attempted to do that

Truman attempted to seize steel mills amid a strike during the Korean War. The Supreme Court ruled that he needed Congress to pay for the steel mills and its workers.

I think this is a bargaining technique, Napolitano said. Donald Trump is the master bargainer. 



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LOL !!!

"Prince Trump"...Now I think I've heard it all....

Does this mean he now has to sell-off even more illegal-arms, to some Arabic nation, to become a Prince ?...Does he need to become Muslim too ?...

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Nah. Obama already did all that. Didn't make him a prince. Just a self proclaimed messiah

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What money did Obama spend that Congress either hadn't appropriated, or appropriated for something else?

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www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/05/12/judge-rules-administration-illegally-delivering-funds-to-insurers-participating-in-obamacare/

Today, a federal judge sided with the House of Representatives in a major lawsuit challenging executive branch overreach, ruling that the Obama administration has been making illegal payments to health insurance companies participating in the Affordable Care Act (ACA) exchanges. U.S. District Court Judge Rosemary Collyer found that Congress never appropriated the billions of taxpayer dollars that the administration has delivered to insurers through the ACAs cost sharing reduction (CSR) program. Todays decision is a victory for the rule of law. It may also give insurers pause about their future participation in the exchanges.

Illegal Payments through the ACAs Cost Sharing Reduction Program

The issue raised by the House of Representatives lawsuit is that the executive branch cannot spend money without a congressional appropriation since Article I of the Constitution gives Congress the power of the purse. Today, Judge Collyer agreed, writing Paying out [cost-sharing subsidies] without an appropriation violates the Constitution. Congress is the only source for such an appropriation, and no public money can be spent without one.

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You could very well be right on that, I'll have to research this when I get home to see if there was an appeal and what the final result was. Either way it proves my point that Trump can't do it either for his wall, and for exactly the same reason.

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Well buddy. I have seen arguments on both sides. Some say he can, some say he can't.

Since he just kicked Pelosi out of his office after she said NO again we'll just have to pop up some popcorn and watch!

Personally with state of emergency declared, I bet he can.



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If so, then the next time a Democrat becomes president, he or she can declare a healthcare emergency and expand Medicare to cover every single man, woman, and child (be they citizen or not) and just order the Treasury to pay for it without consulting Congress. For that matter he or she could declare a climate crisis too, and you're not going to like what that will entail, I assure you. And lest we forget what would happen if a Democratic president declared a national debt crisis...

The door swings both ways, I'd be really, really careful about blowing up precedent if I were you guys.

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yap-yap-yap...

Get on board or get run over!



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With all the billions spent in the Middle east a year, why not place a military base in the Hondura's ?...

It may stem the flow of illegals should a small war erupt, with the intention of liberating the Hondura's from a bad gov't, just like we did in Iraq...

In the Honura's however, we could place our own gov't in power, until the country is liberated, by setting up business's & factories that make T-shirts & tennis-shoes for example.

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That sounds like a good idea PowerStroker! It would seem Trump is cutting back in the Middle East, so perhaps your ideas may come into fruition!

But a strong boarder structure will be required NOW in any event. Should it not work out we need to have a plan B... 



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Plan B has always been NAFTA...

The problem being the equality of profit made, & its fair distribution.

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Right.. Then the wall is plan A... and the Government will have to stay closed until such time as plan A is funded...

I do not put much trust in NAFTA because that deal is DOA... There is a new deal, and its fund the wall or get bent...

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As soon as Mexico sends us a check that clears, you will have my blessing to build it. BTW Nancy pledged a dollar so you guys can get started with the first brick.

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Meanwhile, Democrats continue to make their own constituants suffer! She can take her dollar and stuff it up her wrinkly old ass!



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Democrats have already passed government funding bills in the House that already passed the last session of the Senate. All Mitch McConnell needs to do is bring it up for a vote again and Senate Democrats will support it. It's not the Dems, it's Mitch McConnell. Perhaps Shawnee can reach out to him since he happens to be one of McConnel's constituents?

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Reach out for him for what PowerStroker? No wall money, no government. Your people are used to staying at home and collecting money - they should be fine! Why do you even bother writing about it?



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That's fine, no government then. So what else do you want to talk about?

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How is the weather out your way? Getting a little cool over here...



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Yeah, it's been bitter cold in MN this week too.

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I am sure you Democrats are staying nice a warm over there in MN. 

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Why not let them pass-on-through to Canada ?....

You may then get some Canadian $$$ to fund the wall !!!

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Who the hell wants to live in Canada!? LOL

That would be like hanging a donation box next to the glory hole! Which one you think is going to fill up first?



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