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Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

We're at the 1/2-way-mark, what are your thoughts on the Presidency ?....

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

He promised that on day 1, construction of a wall Mexico paid for would begin.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I think he has done a good job, especially given the corrupt deep state Democrats trying to impeach him at every turn.

We are in for another four years of Trump come 2020! But don't worry, into the sixth year of Obama I actually smashed a laptop out of internet rage... yeah, these liberals ain't seen NOTHING YET!

It gets much better! wink

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

I think he has done great.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

He has cut taxes on big corporations and billionaires which will add 1 TRILLION to the debt EVERY YEAR.

He has ripped families apart at the border, many of which will never be reunited.

Yeah, he's been just a peach.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Yes but that loss of Government revenue is being offset by current tariffs on China made goods.

Obama ripped families apart at the border too! If you're a family entering into the United States illegally then they should expect to be treated as such! Just because they want to caravan in big groups doesn't exclude them from their individual responsibility! If a parent in the United States was a criminal they would take their kids and put them in protective services too! Are you suggesting that immigrants should be treated BETTER than the American people who pay for it! If you do, screw you pal!

Deep down you know America needs Trump, you don't want to admit it but you can not deny it. It really doesn't matter WHO was President, if they weren't a Democrat you would be critical of them and that is the bottom line.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Do you know who ends up paying tariffs? It's not China, it's the American consumer. Furthermore the things that are being subject to tariffs are exactly the opposite of what good economic policy would prescribe. Trump is charging tariffs on raw materials instead of finished goods, which is absolutely idiotic if the goal is to stimulate manufacturing in the US.

It was not a matter of policy under the Obama administration to separate families at the border. I'm not saying it never ever happened, because there are probably a few exceptions where child protective services were called in. The Trump administration made it standard procedure though. Not very Christian if you ask me. What do you suppose Jesus would say about it?

I was critical of some of Obama's trade policies if you recall.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Not really PowerStroker, because at the raw product level the tariffs are really only hitting the big companies that are enjoying the tax breaks anyway. You have to understand that business knows Democrats may once again get in power, thus taxing the living daylights out of them.. They have to constantly evaluate based on speculation.

I don't like to hear about families getting separated either PowerStroker! It is one of the reasons I don't fly with the family, rather I would prefer to drive. But I would expect that if I tried to illegally cross the boarder into Canada with my family that we would be separated at some point as we were processed. I make it a point not to travel places without the proper credentials for this very reason. These people thinking they can just caravan up here in mobs and get their way isn't sitting right with me or a majority of Americans who also know better. These people could have all joined together to fix their home countries - you know, the ones that once they get here and get all home proud about, flying their flags and wanting to change everything back to what they left!? Expecting handouts like the United States is basically a free vacation and when it's all over they get a free ride home!? Naw, screw that! I have to pay for my vacations and when I get home I have to pay for that too.

I don't recall you being critical of any of his policies, I may have seen you scratch you head a couple times but ultimately you put your reservations with the party and continued down party line.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

AND - as an added bonus, if said big companies dont want to pay the tariff all they have to do is buy American!

Whoa! What a groovy concept!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

It's too bad that it costs more to make American products since the cost on raw materials is more expensive here - because of the idiotic tariffs on raw materials.

Should have put tariffs on finished goods instead.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
It's too bad that it costs more to make American products since the cost on raw materials is more expensive here - because of the idiotic tariffs on raw materials.

Should have put tariffs on finished goods instead.

Do you know where all them cash for clunkers cars ended up after they were crushed? On a boat due East to China!

So basically your boy Obama subsidized China's raw material with US tax payer dollars! And you are wondering why US Steel manufactures were having a hard time!?

Kind of hard to compete when your own Government is subsidizing the competition! BUT NOT ANYMORE! - No Sir!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Prior bad trade policies lead to that, Obama doesn't micro manage where crushed cars go. He saved GM and Chrysler by the way, you're welcome.

... On edit, the auto bailout began at the end of the Bush admin, so we all owe George a little thanks too.

clarity101 · ABOVE AND BEYOND

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Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

MAGA!!!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Prior bad trade policies lead to that, Obama doesn't micro manage where crushed cars go. He saved GM and Chrysler by the way, you're welcome.

... On edit, the auto bailout began at the end of the Bush admin, so we all owe George a little thanks too.

I hate to be the one to point this out, but both then and now Chrysler was owned by a foreign car company! It was owned by Mercedes when they got the bail out, then sold to Fiat afterwards, for a handsome profit might I add!

So please tell me again how I should be thankful the Government bailed out Mercedes so they could make bank selling it to Fiat?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

"Now comes a folly of greater magnitude, one not defined by cars but of a company, DaimlerChrysler. The nine-year, $36 billion "merger" of Chrysler and Daimler-Benz was dissolved Tuesday for a mere $7.4 billion. Cerberus Capital Management is taking an 80.1 percent stake in the automaker for that amount." May 15, 2007

https://money.cnn.com/2007/05/14/news/companies/chrysler_sale/

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I think Daimler AG still holds, or did hold after the sale, 19% of the company.

Of course a private capital management company was brought in, because it could not look like Benz was making the deal and you would think that either GM or Fords would have paid the $7.4 billion just to put the company out of business! Giving the brand to Fiat just means that Fords and GM will continue to lose the customers who buy Chryslers! They have been selling LOTS of vehicles - cars, trucks and SUV's that could have been GM or Fords!

Currently FCA has assets nearing $116 BILLION and does $7 billion a year in revenue. It was OBAMA who bailed out Daimler-Chrysler in 2008, NOT BUSH. WHY!? Why bail out a foreign car company while letting GM go bankrupt? Does not make one bit of sense!

Any way you try and slice it PowerStroker, your parties ignorance cost this country a LOT of money!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Awesome discussion fellas !

I'll post more come the week-end, I'm back on the main-land at the moment, & real busy.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Sometimes a company is so big, and employs so many people that it's actually cheaper to give it a loan than to put tens of thousands of employees on unemployment. I would save Chrysler again regardless of which foreign company owns them.

This is exactly the kind of thing government is for, to help us when we're down... At least that's what it's supposed to be for.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

That kind of ignorance is remarkable PowerStroker!

How do you do it? You must really hate yourself because you only seem to be happy when everyone is as miserable as you are! Your ideas are the most ridiculous strife, which wouldn't necessarily be a problem except you seem to think everyone else should pay for it.

I am here to say your thinking is reckless and selfish to the 300+ million Americans who rely on good decisions and reliable services to live each and every day.

You Sir have earned the 2019 Forum dunce cap in only 36 days! Wear it with pride PowerStroker! You have earned it!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Chrysler and GM didn't cause the need for their bailouts.

If you will remember, there was a massive deregulation of the mortgage industry that caused a short term bubble, and then the bubble popped and millions of people ended upside down in their mortgages (myself included). To make matters worse, prior to the bubble bursting, the mortgages themselves were bundled and sold as mortgage backed securities with ridiculously high credit ratings - (due to unregulated ratings agencies). This inspired investment brokerage firms to buy mortgage backed securities as investments in the belief that they were solid, only to find out the ratings were corrupt, and a large share of the mortgages within them, were for people who were allowed to buy way more house than they could afford (due to banking deregulation),and when the bubble burst, it massively hit the financial services and just about everyone's retirement savings that were invested in just about any mutual fund. Several big name firms failed. Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers to name a couple.

This rippled through the entire economy, and during this time of economic free-fall, people were certainly not buying cars. This is not the fault of GM or Chrysler, it is the fault of the mortgage industry deregulation.

I would argue that more than enough mistakes were made. To allow this lunacy to take down GM and Chrysler would have only been yet another in a long line of huge mistakes that were implemented based on the unsophisticated world view of one George W. Bush.

One would think after something like that, people would learn, but one would be unfortunately wrong. Apparently some people have been so horribly damaged with anger over affirmative action, that they would rather keep destroying the economy, just so long as they get people in power that will maintain their white privilege. See my signature line for further information on that subject.

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SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

You don't have to remind me PowerStroker! We were posting in here before, during and after 2008!

Democrats came with their doom and gloom "the sky is falling" campaign, some big people made bad bets and it was off to the 2008 election races.

Democrats had 2008 in the bag, since McCain was actually a Democrat and he lost to another Democrat, Obama. So what!?

Does not change the fact that GM and Fords would sell many more cars if not for Chrysler - and people buying Chryslers really didn't understand that Chrysler wasn't exactly "American Pie". But so what!

Hind sight is 20/20 and if you cannot admit that in retrospect Obama wasted incredible amounts of money, then all I can say is look at the debt he left behind because you remember what happened in 2008, just think when the $17 trillion bubble pops!

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
He has cut taxes on big corporations and billionaires which will add 1 TRILLION to the debt EVERY YEAR.

He has ripped families apart at the border, many of which will never be reunited.

Yeah, he's been just a peach.

He cut all tax payers taxes...

This narrative that he only cut taxes for BILLIONAIRES is a complete LIE...

He did not separate anyone from their family, border agents were DOING THEIR JOB DID...same job they did under presidents before Trump...

Obama deported more than any president before him...not a word was said by the left...

LEFTIST want to destroy the republic, turn it into a mob rule democracy, they openly state they want us to move to socialism...they just legalized third trimester abortions...

DEMOCRATS should be completely ashamed of what their party now represents...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Correction:

Working class people get a small, temporary tax cut. Corporations get a large permanent tax cut. All of which is debt financed to the tune of a Trillion dollars annually.

It was not official policy of any prior administration to detain family members in different facilities.

Republicans want to destroy the democratic republic and turn it in to a fascist authoritarian dictatorship.

For someone who cares so much about the unborn, your policy prescriptions are awfully harsh to the born... Especially the born working class.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 6th of February 2019 01:19:23 PM

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

PowerStroker wrote:

Republicans want to destroy the democratic republic and turn it in to a fascist authoritarian dictatorship.

I thought they already had !!!

Nancy, 2020...

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Correction:
Working class people get a small, temporary tax cut. Corporations get a large permanent tax cut. All of which is debt financed to the tune of a Trillion dollars annually.
It was not official policy of any prior administration to detain family members in different facilities.
Republicans want to destroy the democratic republic and turn it in to a fascist authoritarian dictatorship.
For someone who cares so much about the unborn, your policy prescriptions are awfully harsh to the born... Especially the born working class.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 6th of February 2019 01:19:23 PM

How is it you claim the working class tax cut is only temporary?

and the corporate rate is permanent? how so? are you saying a future administration would be unable to undo it? exactly what makes any tax policy PERMANENT?

This sounds like a typical LEFTIST fabricating a narrative they want...

There is NOTHING different in border enforcement under Trump than it was under Obama...that is a LIE the media spread...

Here is a PRO tip...do not want to be separated from your family then how about the family does not try and slip into the country...

Why is it over 1 million people every year migrate to the US...but some how we are racist for not wanting people just slipping in undocumented...

Why does caring about abortion beyond the first trimester mean I do not care about the born?

I care...but, that does not make it my responsibility to support and raise the child of other people...

DEMOCRATS should be ashamed and if you do not see that...you are just as evil as the democratic party....

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

For those who spend all day getting their "news" from Rush Limbaugh and the like, allow me to present some mainstream information for your consideration...

Proof the Trump administration is behind the "zero tolerance" family separation policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy

If Wikipedia is too left wing for you (we will discuss your pathology later), how about an interview with John Kelly: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-kelly-la-times-interview-says-sessions-surprised-white-house-with-child-separation-policy/

Or how about an article from the right leaning Business Insider with actual video footage of Kelly: https://www.businessinsider.com/kelly-proposed-family-separation-to-deter-illegal-immigration-in-2017-2018-6

With regard to business tax cuts being permanent and family tax cuts being temporary. I didn't say that a future Congress and administration couldn't change the law, but if they don't, the law as written will result in business tax cuts never expire, and individual tax cuts that expire in 2025. With as much as some obsess about taxes, I'm surprised that this wasn't completely known and understood, but I'm always happy to educate when necessary...

https://www.investopedia.com/taxes/trumps-tax-reform-plan-explained/

With regard to your responsibility to raise and support the children of other people...

You have no such responsibility, nor do you have a responsibility to make sure said children are born in the first place. If you choose to care about one, you should care about both.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

Wiki is someones OPINION and not a reliable source for anything...

As stated there is no such thing as a PERMANENT TAX CUT....You use the term PERMANENT to make it sound the way you want the narrative to read...and YOU DAMN WELL KNOW IT...

YOU SIR are an idiot LEFTIST that will twist anything to suit your pathetic narrative...

And it is a LEFTIST narrative That I should both care and support the children of others...

Here is a thought...let each take care of their own...and quit trying to get the government to strong arm me to suit your bullshit agenda...

You still support democrats....YOU are a vile individual...

and I have never been a fan of Limbaugh or the ALT or EXTREME right...

I simply oppose the democratic party and their SOCIALISTIC MOTIVES....

Aborting a baby beyond the 6th month is PURE EVIL...and I am PRO CHOICE...but only within the first TRIMESTER...

A baby can be separated from the mother and survive at that point...you are just condoning MURDER because your party wants to support such an issue...

YOU ARE A VERY SICK FUCK...

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

What is sad...

IS YOU OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT morons like the new democrat darling Alexandria Occasio-Cortez who got elected on the phrase "I will be in there fighting against Trump"

Democrats were just annoying when they were liberals...Since Obama 2nd term the party has been moving high speed to the LEFT...and they are no longer LIBERALS...but LEFTIST...

The difference a LIBERAL would defend your right to be WRONG....

A LEFTIST INSIST you agree with them...

Your party is calling for an end to the republic they want to move to a straight on popular vote...

THEY THINK they can simply change that with the HOUSE of REPRESENTATIVES...

It would require a constitutional amendment...

And the reason the electoral college exist is this republic is made up of 50 states and in 2016 Trump won 37 of those states...

Your party LEADERS are on record CALLING for the EXACT same things Trump is doing...

DIFFERENCE Trump is not just saying it he is following through...and your party is FAKING outrage because well TRUMP...

Trump is a loud mouth egotistical bully...

GOT IT...

He is doing what SHOULD BE DONE...

He is the first actual FISCAL CONSERVATIVE President since Warren Harding...

Reagan allowed congress to spend too much to be a conservative....

-- Edited by Nuffan on Thursday 7th of February 2019 05:17:06 AM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I'm thinking we will just have to agree to disagree.

No need to resort to name calling btw, all opinions are welcome here.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
I'm thinking we will just have to agree to disagree.

No need to resort to name calling btw, all opinions are welcome here.

We definitely DISAGREE on EVERYTHING...

And if you support today's democratic party you are EVIL...

And frankly I look forward to the civil war that is soon to come...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Damn Nuffan, did they blitz you with some hard core media stories this morning?

I hate when that happens! Starts the day off on the wrong foot!

The way Cortez sat during the SOTU, like a spoiled little brat! It is really irritating when you have immigrants filling congress who openly talk of an agenda outside that of the district they have been elected to represent. Take for example Detroit or Minnesota's newest house members, openly pursuing anti-semitic policy when they are just a fucking congressperson representing districts that have nothing to do with Israel!

It will be a VERY interesting 2020! The lunacy from the left is only going to get worse and I honestly don't see any way out of it for President Trump unless he secures the borders, kicks out ALL the illegals and does something that hasn't been done since 1776 - prosecute the past Administration for their crimes against the interest of America. If he fails, it will be very bad for him and the rest of America as people with less than pure American hearts are embedding themselves into government, and when it reaches a tipping point you can just kiss America goodbye.

I will give Trump and the GOP extra credit if they can amend something into the constitution that requires any member of congress be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN - and not one that has entered illegally or been part of a chain migration scam.

That is about it... Even Democrats know what's up Nuffan!

If being patriotic and wanting the best for my country is wrong, I don't want to be right!

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

We have NOW seen what the NEW Congress is all about...

get ready for a very bumpy next two years...

it will amaze me if we do end up in all out civil war before 2020 even gets here...

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

And I am sick of the twisted narrative that Trump only gave tax breaks to billionaires...

He cut the corporate tax rate which was the HIGHEST on the planet...

now at 21% we have the lowest corporate tax rate and companies are coming back...

and the LEFT uses every chance they can to try and twist it to the billionaires are the only ones Trump gave tax cuts to....

and it was not even Trump it was Congress that made these changes...

Individual tax cuts ALWAYS have an expiration...this prevents a change until after the expiration date...

Pelosi thinks she can simply roll back the cuts...SHE CAN'T...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Thursday 7th of February 2019 02:21:00 PM