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Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Interesting, brings up some good points

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

There was a saying that "All the world's a stage", but it's really "All the world's a market"...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

One would think that sources and methods for gaining the information would need to be redacted at least. Otherwise Russia and the rest of the world would have a much better idea about the capabilities of the US in that regard.

I'm half expecting the attorney general to withhold it from Congress, and then the House of Reps to simply subpoena it from Mueller directly.

Should be interesting anyway, though none of the extreme partisans within this country will be changed in their thinking no matter what it says.
If Trump sold Texas to Iran for some prostitutes, his supporters wouldn't flinch so long as he was macho about the whole thing and kept pushing for a wall.

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

PowerStroker wrote:
One would think that sources and methods for gaining the information would need to be redacted at least. Otherwise Russia and the rest of the world would have a much better idea about the capabilities of the US in that regard.

I'm half expecting the attorney general to withhold it from Congress, and then the House of Reps to simply subpoena it from Mueller directly.

Should be interesting anyway, though none of the extreme partisans within this country will be changed in their thinking no matter what it says.
If Trump sold Texas to Iran for some prostitutes, his supporters wouldn't flinch so long as he was macho about the whole thing and kept pushing for a wall.

Good points PowerStroker !

Here's a great article that will go a long way into explaining "methods for gaining the information". Please take the time to read, it's not too long, but may upset a few folks too.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/04/the-prisoner-says-no-to-big-brother/

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Rastus wrote:
There was a saying that "All the world's a stage", but it's really "All the world's a market"...

Good point Mate.

Yes all, interesting. I just can't understand it being sold already? No confidentiality stuff? Or is the sale stuff bull? I dunno, just askin.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I used to kind of admire Julian Assange for what he does. But he allowed wikileaks to become a weapon that helped one side only in a political fight for the 2016 US election.

If he published equally damaging stuff about the Republicans it would be fair, but now he is just a criminal to me, one that helped in circumventing democracy and doing enormous damage that will take generations to undo. He can rot in hell.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

When Assange released information on GW Bush he was a good guy...but now that he did the same to a democrat he is a criminal...

He exposed the DNC corruption...

It needed to be exposed...the super delegate system that cost democrats the white house in 2016 is now gone...

The downside...

The corruption in the DNC is being replaced by radicals and socialist...

The Cortez issue just got interesting as it is a lot more than $6000

Talib is also in hot water for stealing campaign funds...

Ilhan Omar is clearly pushing her religious agenda...and calling for an end to our homeland security...

And while there have been many representative that have tried to get their religion into our laws...I do not recall any other representative asking to take away funding for our security...on either side...

Kamala Harris made a career of sending young men to prison under three strikes for simple marijuana, yet claims she herself smoked it in college...

While I think it should be legalized...it is not okay that she sentenced young men to prison for it...

Republicans have issues as well...but currently the democrats are really getting behind some AWFUL candidates...

Bernie is the strongest the democrats have and while he is not the train wreck most the rest of the field is...I do not think he can win in 2020...

I am not sure he could in 2016 (but he was a better option than Hillary)

-- Edited by Nuffan on Wednesday 6th of March 2019 11:23:17 AM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
I used to kind of admire Julian Assange for what he does. But he allowed wikileaks to become a weapon that helped one side only in a political fight for the 2016 US election.

If he published equally damaging stuff about the Republicans it would be fair, but now he is just a criminal to me, one that helped in circumventing democracy and doing enormous damage that will take generations to undo. He can rot in hell.

In other words, PowerStroker is once again saying that if there was no damaging stuff about the Republicans he should have made it up anyway - that way everyone gets a trophy!

What kind of BS is that PowerStroker? Do you even bother to read the stuff you write!?

Do you have some PROOF of any damaging stuff about the Republicans that he did not share on partisan grounds? A link? ANYTHING!?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

No, that's not what I'm saying.

If you want dirt on the Republicans, simply pre-order the Muller report on Amazon. I doubt you're interested though.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

So what you're saying is buy a book from Jeff Bezos, who cheated on his wife and is marrying his best friends wife?

Yeah... Oh-kay...

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Hmmm,

It seems that the "Powers-that-be", ( in the UK & US-of-A ) are holding Assange illegaly, & with no charges...

I'd say that given enough time, plenty of dirt was to be dug-up & reported on both sides of the US-of-A political scene, as-well as anything else going-on in the world illegally.

Why else would you hold a man illegally in bonds, without any evidence or charges laid ?...

The "Powers-that-be" are shitting themselves, that's why ! And the biggest disgrace is the Australian Government keeping its tail between its legs & bowing down to these Powers & their illegal activity. No balls or brains, or any concern for one-of-its citizens.

The whole world needs to supplant these political schmucks ASAP. They make us look stupid each & everyday, & have done for centuries.

And we allow this to happen.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Get a rope. Make a big noose to fit around their fat swelled heads.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Isn't he holding himself up in Equador's embassy in Brittan or something so that he isn't arrested the moment he steps off embassy grounds?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

PowerStroker wrote:
Isn't he holding himself up in Equador's embassy in Brittan or something so that he isn't arrested the moment he steps off embassy grounds?

Yo,

It's kind-of complicated, as he's had many fingers in many pies, & disclosed many recipes....

I know its a Wiki-link, but it will help uncomplicate matters, & lead to great stories too, about US-of-A & UK political corruption....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

So youre not loyal to the crown or the USA - yet hate Arabs..

Who or what are you Rastus? Honestly!? lol

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
So youre not loyal to the crown or the USA - yet hate Arabs..
Who or what are you Rastus? Honestly!? lol

LOL !!!

How can anyone be loyal to any establishment, that lies to its people, & murders other human beings for financial gain & power ?...Whilst pretending to be the descent good-guy, that everyone should be looking-up to, & moving forward / evolving with ?

I do not hate Arabs. I'd say that if they didn't have any oil, we wouldn't even be concerned about them or their wars, & that they would be thought-of in our minds like the starving people in Africa.

When I was a kid, & was learning about the recent past of humanity, its wars & other failures, I believed that that was all in the past, & that my generation had the luck of being able to move forward & upward, where everyone in the world had a fair chance at leading a quality of life, that was fair for everybody, & everyone respected each other, & where we were turning a new page of our existence on this planet, a more prosperous one.

I was wrong. Matters are much worse now than ever before in our history, & stupidity & ignorance rule-the-roost.

All our "so called issues" have simple & easy solutions, but our world leaders fail us again & again. And most of the population in the Western world, are brain-washed day-to-day with the utmost bollox, that allows our leaders to get away with this shyte.

But it is slowly changing, hopefully for the better, & hopefully not too late.

Can't you guys see that Mr.Trump is taking everyone for a fool, & getting away with it ?...Just like Mr.Obama did , & GW Bush before him, & Mr.Clinton before him & on &on it goes...

I thought we were better than that... Aren't we ?...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Personally I don't feel anyone is better than that... When it comes down to survival the claws will come out! lol

Technology has improved to the point where survival shouldn't require claws coming out, but we have a lot of nations that aren't onboard with modern technology and they cling to historical norms that create what many civilized nations consider to be human rights violations. A prime example of this would be North Korea and even China to some degree.

Even in civilized nations like America, the claws still come out in power struggles..

Not much has changed Rastus, except to say we're not riding around in horse drawn buggies and spending months at sea to cross the Atlantic. Things are getting better but we still deal with the same human behaviors because survival is still the name of the game.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

Rastus wrote:
SELLC wrote:
So youre not loyal to the crown or the USA - yet hate Arabs..
Who or what are you Rastus? Honestly!? lol
LOL !!!
How can anyone be loyal to any establishment, that lies to its people, & murders other human beings for financial gain & power ?...Whilst pretending to be the descent good-guy, that everyone should be looking-up to, & moving forward / evolving with ?
I do not hate Arabs. I'd say that if they didn't have any oil, we wouldn't even be concerned about them or their wars, & that they would be thought-of in our minds like the starving people in Africa.
When I was a kid, & was learning about the recent past of humanity, its wars & other failures, I believed that that was all in the past, & that my generation had the luck of being able to move forward & upward, where everyone in the world had a fair chance at leading a quality of life, that was fair for everybody, & everyone respected each other, & where we were turning a new page of our existence on this planet, a more prosperous one.
I was wrong. Matters are much worse now than ever before in our history, & stupidity & ignorance rule-the-roost.
All our "so called issues" have simple & easy solutions, but our world leaders fail us again & again. And most of the population in the Western world, are brain-washed day-to-day with the utmost bollox, that allows our leaders to get away with this shyte.
But it is slowly changing, hopefully for the better, & hopefully not too late.
Can't you guys see that Mr.Trump is taking everyone for a fool, & getting away with it ?...Just like Mr.Obama did , & GW Bush before him, & Mr.Clinton before him & on &on it goes...
I thought we were better than that... Aren't we ?...

Not sure why you are so against the free market where people earn based on their contribution...

While Mark Zuckerberg came from a family of means...He is really self made...because he had a brilliant idea...

It is not only people with money that succeed...Look at Jeff Bezos...he was just your average middle class citizen who had a great idea (ahead of it's time)

some people do better than others because they have better ideas...

some people are just content with working for someone else...but want to be paid what they can negotiate not what the government mandates...

the person working the register at McDonalds should not make the same money as a EMT who should not make as much as a surgeon...

All LABOR is not equal and should never be treated like it is...

And yes the person with money should control the means of production, because in general the person with money had to at some point trade their labor for that money...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Id have to disagree, if only because winners are chosen not self made.

These people like Bezos, Musk, Gates and the whole lot of them capitalized off the ideas of many others. Who gets loans and who gets tax breaks is not a matter of luck - much like inheritance money also has nothing to do with luck.

Many times these big CEOs are nothing more than a mouth piece - many of them couldnt even change their own car tire to save their lives. They all have one thing in common, they have capitalized on the hard work and ideas of many and on their own they probably arent worth a $hit. The guy working at McDonalds making my lunch probably has more skills!

Say what you want, but internet companies like Facebook and other social media are also chosen. There has always been a plethora of social media platforms from AOL to Yahoo on down to the now worthless MySpace which was replaced by Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg is not self made, him and his company were made rich by the stock market during their IPO. I too use Facebook on occasion and lately its had performance issues and is very limited in its offering. In 20 years time all these people you seem to think are so great will have gone bankrupt or taken huge severance packages - if not both. Ask Jeff Bezos and he will tell you flat out that his company will one day be bankrupt because even he knows that sooner or later big companies get too big and come up short.

The Government is the next to come up short, to the tune of $24 trillion dollars and when that happens you can bet all these high publicity figureheads will be living it up in some tax haven nation while America goes bankrupt.

The real self made people are the ones who do their jobs every day to the best of their abilities. They are not only self made but they are making the idiot figureheads of their respective companies look self made.

I can think of a few Doctors that dont deserve to be paid a fast food jobs wages! You have your good ones and your bad ones in every field and dont any of you ever forget that youre only as good as youre needed at the moment.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

SELLC wrote:
Id have to disagree, if only because winners are chosen not self made.
These people like Bezos, Musk, Gates and the whole lot of them capitalized off the ideas of many others. Who gets loans and who gets tax breaks is not a matter of luck - much like inheritance money also has nothing to do with luck.
Many times these big CEOs are nothing more than a mouth piece - many of them couldnt even change their own car tire to save their lives. They all have one thing in common, they have capitalized on the hard work and ideas of many and on their own they probably arent worth a $hit. The guy working at McDonalds making my lunch probably has more skills!
Say what you want, but internet companies like Facebook and other social media are also chosen. There has always been a plethora of social media platforms from AOL to Yahoo on down to the now worthless MySpace which was replaced by Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg is not self made, him and his company were made rich by the stock market during their IPO. I too use Facebook on occasion and lately its had performance issues and is very limited in its offering. In 20 years time all these people you seem to think are so great will have gone bankrupt or taken huge severance packages - if not both. Ask Jeff Bezos and he will tell you flat out that his company will one day be bankrupt because even he knows that sooner or later big companies get too big and come up short.
The Government is the next to come up short, to the tune of $24 trillion dollars and when that happens you can bet all these high publicity figureheads will be living it up in some tax haven nation while America goes bankrupt.
The real self made people are the ones who do their jobs every day to the best of their abilities. They are not only self made but they are making the idiot figureheads of their respective companies look self made.
I can think of a few Doctors that dont deserve to be paid a fast food jobs wages! You have your good ones and your bad ones in every field and dont any of you ever forget that youre only as good as youre needed at the moment.

Not sure what you mean when saying Zuckerberg got rich by the stock market...Had to have the right idea to get there...mySpace was in place FIRST, but was a far cry from what facebook has become...facebook took a simple concept like myspace and made it a advertising GIANT....

Elon Musk invented PAY PAL...which was a timing issue...FIRST to market...

Gates embraced open architecture, which had the ENTIRE software marketplace developing for his OS...Gates was not chosen...He was a better innovator, and understood gaining market share...

Jobs had the right idea 20 years too early...Gates graveled the road for Jobs to pave when the technology finally caught up...

very few inherit WEALTH...some do...more people get wealthy here than anywhere on the planet...

USA has 540 billionaires and 11 million millionaires...

Free market does that...socialism will just make all poor and rapidly...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Thursday 7th of March 2019 08:55:40 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Nuffan wrote:

Not sure what you mean when saying Zuckerberg got rich by the stock market...Had to have the right idea to get there...mySpace was in place FIRST, but was a far cry from what facebook has become...facebook took a simple concept like myspace and made it a advertising GIANT....

Elon Musk invented PAY PAL...which was a timing issue...FIRST to market...

Gates embraced open architecture, which had the ENTIRE software marketplace developing for his OS...Gates was not chosen...He was a better innovator, and understood gaining market share...

Jobs had the right idea 20 years too early...Gates graveled the road for Jobs to pave when the technology finally caught up...

very few inherit WEALTH...some do...more people get wealthy here than anywhere on the planet...

USA has 540 billionaires and 11 million millionaires...

Free market does that...socialism will just make all poor and rapidly...

Are we REALLY living in a free market Nuffan? When the crash of 2008 happened it was deemed the banks were too big to fail! That doesn't sound like a free market to me. Some were saved, while others they let go belly up. Chrysler got a bail out while GM was sent to bankruptcy.

I won't deny a lot of these big names in business have invented marvelous things and to their credit that is what makes them wealthy after they bail on the company with their golden parachutes...

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

SELLC wrote:
Nuffan wrote:

Not sure what you mean when saying Zuckerberg got rich by the stock market...Had to have the right idea to get there...mySpace was in place FIRST, but was a far cry from what facebook has become...facebook took a simple concept like myspace and made it a advertising GIANT....

Elon Musk invented PAY PAL...which was a timing issue...FIRST to market...

Gates embraced open architecture, which had the ENTIRE software marketplace developing for his OS...Gates was not chosen...He was a better innovator, and understood gaining market share...

Jobs had the right idea 20 years too early...Gates graveled the road for Jobs to pave when the technology finally caught up...

very few inherit WEALTH...some do...more people get wealthy here than anywhere on the planet...

USA has 540 billionaires and 11 million millionaires...

Free market does that...socialism will just make all poor and rapidly...

Are we REALLY living in a free market Nuffan? When the crash of 2008 happened it was deemed the banks were too big to fail! That doesn't sound like a free market to me. Some were saved, while others they let go belly up. Chrysler got a bail out while GM was sent to bankruptcy.
I won't deny a lot of these big names in business have invented marvelous things and to their credit that is what makes them wealthy after they bail on the company with their golden parachutes...

It is more free than any other market on the planet...

Does government get in the way CERTAINLY...

Is the government RIGGING it for certain people...no not at all...

The "GOVERNMENT" repealed Glass Steagall... allowing investment banks to gamble with FDIC insured DEBT...

HUGE mistake...caused a horrific bubble...

This is one of the few times had the tax payer not bailed out the banks the entire global financial engine would have collapsed, but it was not specifically rigged to help the banks fleece the tax payers...

So YES as a whole we still have an economy that thrives on free market principals...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Friday 8th of March 2019 05:59:59 AM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

So tell me Nuffan, in what free market can a business carry a $20+ trillion dollar debt and run in the red for decades?

When the Government demanded that GM kill off Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn - was that a free market?

I guess GM really does stand for Government Motors! lol

You can continue to think what you like Nuffan, but I am well aware of what is REALLY going on.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

SELLC wrote:
So tell me Nuffan, in what free market can a business carry a $20+ trillion dollar debt and run in the red for decades?
When the Government demanded that GM kill off Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn - was that a free market?
I guess GM really does stand for Government Motors! lol
You can continue to think what you like Nuffan, but I am well aware of what is REALLY going on.

Since when has anyone considered the US government a business?

The government in my opinion should have let the automakers fail or succeed on their own...

The government could not do that with the banks...as that had global implications and would have sent the US into a depression that would have made the 1930's look like prosperous times...

So what is REALLY going on? lol

Do you honestly believe that the US government is treating businesses differently favoring one business over another?

I do not see it and can assure the rest of the business world would not sit back in silence if that was the case...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Friday 8th of March 2019 04:42:48 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Nuffan wrote:

Since when has anyone considered the US government a business?

The government in my opinion should have let the automakers fail or succeed on their own...

The government could not do that with the banks...as that had global implications and would have sent the US into a depression that would have made the 1930's look like prosperous times...

So what is REALLY going on? lol

Do you honestly believe that the US government is treating businesses differently favoring one business over another?

I do not see it and can assure the rest of the business world would not sit back in silence if that was the case...

The Government is not a business, but the markets and the currency for which it stands IS.

In this day and age of "global" economies it's very clear that there is a business element to the Government - always has been, even before the rise of modern technology. This is what you explain away as simple "implications" rather than the reality that it's business.

I will tell you what is going on, the government is picking and choosing its winners. Big business and political friends and family are getting the small business loans to buy their businesses and operate efficiently enough to pay people and maintain.

There are countless small business's out there who unlike the government, have to operate within the REAL WORLD. Yet big banks, manufactures and others know they will just get a pass and it doesn't matter so long as they pad their pockets before the bust!

FUCK THAT!

I bet you don't own any industrial property, do you Nuffan? Bet you have probably rented every business location you have been in!

Bet you also haven't gotten any small business loans, or grant money? Or have you?

Are you even self employed!? Because from the way you're talking you either have gotten a major hand out, or work for someone else!

EVERY SMALL BUSINESS OWNER OUT THERE NOT ON THE DOLE WILL TELL YOU THIS!

Unless you inherited money, or your business... but then of course you wouldn't really be self made, now would you?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Here's some more mess to consider LOL !

www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/08/roaming-charges-flag-humpers/

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

SELLC wrote:
Nuffan wrote:

Since when has anyone considered the US government a business?

The government in my opinion should have let the automakers fail or succeed on their own...

The government could not do that with the banks...as that had global implications and would have sent the US into a depression that would have made the 1930's look like prosperous times...

So what is REALLY going on? lol

Do you honestly believe that the US government is treating businesses differently favoring one business over another?

I do not see it and can assure the rest of the business world would not sit back in silence if that was the case...

The Government is not a business, but the markets and the currency for which it stands IS.
In this day and age of "global" economies it's very clear that there is a business element to the Government - always has been, even before the rise of modern technology. This is what you explain away as simple "implications" rather than the reality that it's business.
I will tell you what is going on, the government is picking and choosing its winners. Big business and political friends and family are getting the small business loans to buy their businesses and operate efficiently enough to pay people and maintain.
There are countless small business's out there who unlike the government, have to operate within the REAL WORLD. Yet big banks, manufactures and others know they will just get a pass and it doesn't matter so long as they pad their pockets before the bust!
FUCK THAT!
I bet you don't own any industrial property, do you Nuffan? Bet you have probably rented every business location you have been in!
Bet you also haven't gotten any small business loans, or grant money? Or have you?
Are you even self employed!? Because from the way you're talking you either have gotten a major hand out, or work for someone else!
EVERY SMALL BUSINESS OWNER OUT THERE NOT ON THE DOLE WILL TELL YOU THIS!
Unless you inherited money, or your business... but then of course you wouldn't really be self made, now would you?

Government is not a business it is THE FUCKING PROBLEM...

In theory they should have many things in common...LIKE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY...THEY DON'T...which is why GOVERNMENT is the FUCKING PROBLEM...

It is government that allowed the deregulation between non-insured investment banks and FDIC (tax payer backed) commercial banks...

Capitalism would have allowed it to blow up...

It should have been allowed to blow up...

Government try to prevent it from blowing up, have just delayed it...and when it comes back around it will be even worse than what they should have just allowed to happen...

What the left does not understand and simply will not accept is Capitalism is a self correcting engine...when the government stays out of it...

Government is a necessary EVIL...

it only becomes evil when people try to expand government to do things it was never supposed to do...usually with nefarious intentions...it is not ignorance it is deliberate...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

That sounds about right.

It only took 3 days to get it out of ya! lol