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PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Cortez is a Capitalist, so suck it

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

So far your party has nobody... and I say that with complete honesty and you know it too!

Please, enlighten me - who do you think on the left even has a snowballs chance in hell at beating Trump in 2020?

Please-please, this aught to be good!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

With Sam Nunn retired...there leaves only one choice...

Nancy, 2020 !!!

You could do much worse, & we have done so in the past !

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SELLC wrote:
PowerStroker wrote:
Her new deal is only a starting point for a negotiation. Now it's up to you guys to offer amendments and alternative suggestions, at least if you're actually interested in governing anyway.

In a "normal" setting someone who proposes such crazy nonsense as AOC would just be fired before they could actually cause catastrophic danger to the company.
I think voters are going to sit AOC down in 2020 and let her know she is fired.

Be aware she received less than 17,000 to win the seat....

Most voters have no say about her....

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

Rastus wrote:
With Sam Nunn retired...there leaves only one choice...

Nancy, 2020 !!!

You could do much worse, & we have done so in the past !

Nancy will never run...

Mark my words the Democratic Nominee in 2020 will be Stacy Abrams...with full DNC backing

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Socialist Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is claiming that capitalism is an irredeemable system thats is to blame for income inequality.

As reported by bloomberg.com

Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, whose sudden rise to prominence has made her a target of Republicans and a sometime irritant to her partys leaders, called capitalism an irredeemable system that is to blame for income inequality.

The 29-year-old, first-term U.S. House member from New York and self-described democratic socialist addressed an enthusiastic crowd Saturday at the South by Southwest conference in Austin, Texas, about issues that resonate with her fellow millennials, from universal healthcare to combating climate change.

She directed some of her sharpest comments at an economic system that she said values profit over people.

Capitalism is an ideology of capital - the most important thing is the concentration of capital and to seek and maximize profit, Ocasio-Cortez said. And that comes at any cost to people and to the environment, she said, so to me capitalism is irredeemable.

Though she said she doesnt think all parts of capitalism should be abandoned, were reckoning with the consequences of putting profit above everything else in society. And what that means is people cant afford to live. For me, its a question of priorities and right now I dont think our model is sustainable.

Instead of conservative politicians scaring people that socialism means the government is going to take over their business, we should be scared right now because corporations have taken over our government, she said.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Wasn't it Hillary Clinton who once said Trump supporters were an irredeemable basket of deplorable's? Or something to that effect..

Worked wonders for her - NOT! lol

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

Shawnee_B wrote:
Socialist Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is claiming that capitalism is an irredeemable system thats is to blame for income inequality.

As reported by bloomberg.com
Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, whose sudden rise to prominence has made her a target of Republicans and a sometime irritant to her partys leaders, called capitalism an irredeemable system that is to blame for income inequality.

The 29-year-old, first-term U.S. House member from New York and self-described democratic socialist addressed an enthusiastic crowd Saturday at the South by Southwest conference in Austin, Texas, about issues that resonate with her fellow millennials, from universal healthcare to combating climate change.

She directed some of her sharpest comments at an economic system that she said values profit over people.

Capitalism is an ideology of capital - the most important thing is the concentration of capital and to seek and maximize profit, Ocasio-Cortez said. And that comes at any cost to people and to the environment, she said, so to me capitalism is irredeemable.

Though she said she doesnt think all parts of capitalism should be abandoned, were reckoning with the consequences of putting profit above everything else in society. And what that means is people cant afford to live. For me, its a question of priorities and right now I dont think our model is sustainable.

Instead of conservative politicians scaring people that socialism means the government is going to take over their business, we should be scared right now because corporations have taken over our government, she said.

But according to PowerStroker she is PRO CAPITALISM....lol

He obviously never bothered to read her GREEN NEW DEAL and was going to defend her because of the D by her name...

There is absolutely NOTHING pro capitalism about AOC...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Tuesday 12th of March 2019 06:12:55 PM

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

The problem with AOC is she does not understand there is no way to keep the parts of capitalism that make the BIG bucks when the government takes control over who gets what from the proceeds which is EXACTLY what her intention is...

she thinks all will stay the same but the government get the bulk share of the profits in the end...

She wants 70-90% of everything over 10 million dollars...

innovation will cease immediately as no one will want to take any risk in that environment...corporations and billionaires will leave take there jobs with them and watch those who stay starve...

it may give the left some sort of feel good moment to dream about such a UTOPIA...but a world where a Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos will just do what they did under capitalism, when the government is going to divide up the profits, does not exist...

and it is insane to think it will ever exist...

It is not CAPITALISM if the government just allows you to make something but they will make certain that the proceeds are distributed more fair....

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Agreed, she is one screwed up cookie.

She wouldn't know Capitalism it it kicked her right in her mule teeth.

Ops post is why I had to post that. Remember, research proves 4-6% of the population will remain brainwashed even when presented undeniable facts.

I don't think she read the green new deal and probably didn't write it either (check that other thread I put up on her, "brains behind OAC") She won't take public transportation even though metro is 138 feet from her door, throws away plastic bags vs recycling, seen her campaign costs gas guzzlers vs metro? Over 30K on carbon footprint and $7K on metro and bet that wasn't her spent the metro cash but her workers. Flys everythere, what she gonna do when no more airplanes and fossil fuel? Showed up in Austin in a HUGE SUV.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

Capitalism allows the consumer to decide, what products are worth...

Socialism the POLITICIANS (Social Elite) will decide that for everyone...

Her version of democratic socialism can not coexists with Capitalism...

Her version is pure communism...she will claim it will be democratic...

it will not be once the government starts trying to force the will of the majority...it all falls apart...

see Venezuela...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Tuesday 12th of March 2019 06:43:37 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

She just means all the small unimportant people can go without Jets, Big SUVs and beef... you know, her constituents who now have less opportunity thanks to her Amazon fiasco. She is a Jessie Smollett poster child that basically is doing the same thing with impunity!

Oh, and Nuffan - Bill gates in the 90s and early 2000s could have really done some great things to prevent what we have today - social media companies harvesting our data, but due to Government Anti-Trust laws his hands were tied and now we have things like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and the likes because Bill just up and retired then took his marbles to Africa! Probably to avoid taxes in part.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Nuffan wrote:
Capitalism allows the consumer to decide, what products are worth...

Socialism the POLITICIANS (Social Elite) will decide that for everyone...

Her version of democratic socialism can not coexists with Capitalism...

Her version is pure communism...she will claim it will be democratic...

it will not be once the government starts trying to force the will of the majority...it all falls apart...

see Venezuela...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Tuesday 12th of March 2019 06:43:37 PM

They all claim "Democratic" Socialism. My ass, call it whatever they want it isn't going to happen.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

SELLC wrote:
She just means all the small unimportant people can go without Jets, Big SUVs and beef... you know, her constituents who now have less opportunity thanks to her Amazon fiasco. She is a Jessie Smollett poster child that basically is doing the same thing with impunity!
Oh, and Nuffan - Bill gates in the 90s and early 2000s could have really done some great things to prevent what we have today - social media companies harvesting our data, but due to Government Anti-Trust laws his hands were tied and now we have things like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and the likes because Bill just up and retired then took his marbles to Africa! Probably to avoid taxes in part.

Gates saw the internet as something that would create demand for his product...

He was long retired before many of the things you name were even conceived...

The services you speak of...facebook, twitter, Instagram...all of them create demand for devices...all of them the consumer volunteers to put the information out there...

all of them were brilliant and offered the best in class for the service they provided...you can create your own facebook...you just can not call it facebook...and it will likely never topple the giant...but you can try....lol

thanks to a free market...the consumer decides which service is the best in class...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Tuesday 12th of March 2019 06:53:03 PM

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

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Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

Shawnee_B wrote:
Nuffan wrote:
Capitalism allows the consumer to decide, what products are worth...

Socialism the POLITICIANS (Social Elite) will decide that for everyone...

Her version of democratic socialism can not coexists with Capitalism...

Her version is pure communism...she will claim it will be democratic...

it will not be once the government starts trying to force the will of the majority...it all falls apart...

see Venezuela...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Tuesday 12th of March 2019 06:43:37 PM
They all claim "Democratic" Socialism. My ass, call it whatever they want it isn't going to happen.

LMFAO...Exactly....It will be democratic...but you just remember she is the boss...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Nuffan wrote:
SELLC wrote:
She just means all the small unimportant people can go without Jets, Big SUVs and beef... you know, her constituents who now have less opportunity thanks to her Amazon fiasco. She is a Jessie Smollett poster child that basically is doing the same thing with impunity!
Oh, and Nuffan - Bill gates in the 90s and early 2000s could have really done some great things to prevent what we have today - social media companies harvesting our data, but due to Government Anti-Trust laws his hands were tied and now we have things like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and the likes because Bill just up and retired then took his marbles to Africa! Probably to avoid taxes in part.

Gates saw the internet as something that would create demand for his product...

He was long retired before many of the things you name were even conceived...

The services you speak of...facebook, twitter, Instagram...all of them create demand for devices...all of them the consumer volunteers to put the information out there...

all of them were brilliant and offered the best in class for the service they provided...you can create your own facebook...you just can not call it facebook...and it will likely never topple the giant...but you can try....lol

thanks to a free market...the consumer decides which service is the best in class...

It just shows how little you know about the industry...

Windows had come out with a way to share your life much like your Facebook and other social media applications today but much better... If you knew the period, then you would know Windows and Gates had the entire game tied up with his "MSN MESSENGER", and office suite products including the web browser "Internet Explorer" which was sued by Netscape under Anti-Trust grounds! Also the Government stepped in and broke it up much like Warren is advocating for Apple.

The truth is you really don't even know what you're talking about, trying to laugh off your ignorance by suggesting I open up another Facebook? Before facebook there was MySpace, before that Yahoo, before that AOL... trust me, anyone who knows is laughing at you since the #1 name of the game is to keep people sharing and in front of their computers... Whoever has the best interface at the moment wins, but no one will top Gates dominice during the infant stages of the internet - think dial up.

The irony is that the government intervention that they called Anti-Trust really just made it to where so many people out there using so many different browsers and plug-ins that you would almost need to be a billion dollar company to keep up with all the coding for all the different devices and cell phones out today. Even at it's core ICANN, they figured out a way to yet add another tax to the domain naming system with "https" designation that will see anyone paying a little bit more for what shouldn't even ever be an issue with a VPN connection anyway! It's just another way to lock out someone who might have a better idea.

Regardless what platform of social media or the web you use to "get out there" you will always have to cede a certain amount of data to be viewed when you're not connected. Most new social media sites are more than happy to store your data such as photos and post because they can capitalize on that. Nobody ever said Facebook was a good system, except maybe your layman ass, but it did get almost instant backing in terms of CASH and also a great deal of corporate support - most all big companies will advertise on the large platforms! Heck, even the FBI and all the three letter agencies have accounts across all the major platforms...

Really not much difference between Tom Anderson's "MySpace" and "Facebook" today, except Tom Anderson did not have the big money corporate backers. He took the golden parachute and he was smart for doing so because even he knew that a social medias dominance is finite. On and on they go cannibalizing one another in an effort to collect as much data about someone going as far back as possible.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Nuffan wrote:
Shawnee_B wrote:
They all claim "Democratic" Socialism. My ass, call it whatever they want it isn't going to happen.

LMFAO...Exactly....It will be democratic...but you just remember she is the boss...
Oh yes, and many tore her up for that one

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Probably the best example of unregulated capitalism I can think of, would be prescription drug prices. If you guys think what big pharma is doing to us is a beacon of freedom and the ideal the founders envisioned, then by all means keep voting Republican.

I believe when they come up with a cure for something, they should absolutely be able to make a pretty profit on it to more than recover their R&D and production costs etc. But when their patent finally is about to expire, and they make a tiny change to the formulation and use fancy lawyering to renew their patent for another couple decades for the purpose of absolutely gouging the people for something that has already paid for itself many times over, that is an abuse. When they intentionally KILL people by getting as many people as possible addicted to opoids so they can make some more money on something they didn't even invent anyway, that is also an abuse that I feel needs to be addressed, and so does AOC. This notion that an absolutely unregulated market is a "self correcting engine" is, and always has been bullshit. Markets require regulation, feel free to disagree, but pray you never contract an illness for which the medicine will cost several hundred thousand dollars per year.

Putting reasonable regulations on markets is not communism or socialism, it's pragmatism.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I have to agree..

But at the same time, how do we keep people motivated to keep finding cures?

I think in a lot of ways - this is the way to cure all, including death!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPycquuDpQg

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Probably the best example of unregulated capitalism I can think of, would be prescription drug prices. If you guys think what big pharma is doing to us is a beacon of freedom and the ideal the founders envisioned, then by all means keep voting Republican.

I'd say it's more of kickback to corrupt politicians on both sides and not so much to do with capitalism.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

^^^ A strong argument for having publicly financed elections and banning corporate money.
None of us will ever be free so long as our representatives are constantly bombarded with corporate money, or the threat of an incredibly well financed primary opponent.

Rex, I'm glad you agree, and I would submit that even if the top executive at a big pharmaceutical company only got to make $10 million per year, it would still be an incentive to innovate. President Trump now runs a much larger organization for far less. Some people from both sides of the aisle are still driven more by a desire to contribute to the greater good, and not just a greater bank account. Many of the great pharmaceutical innovations were actually funded through our tax dollars anyway through NIH grants. To let a profiteer use innovations we paid for in order to gouge us, doesn't serve us very well at all.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

SELLC wrote:
Nuffan wrote:
SELLC wrote:
She just means all the small unimportant people can go without Jets, Big SUVs and beef... you know, her constituents who now have less opportunity thanks to her Amazon fiasco. She is a Jessie Smollett poster child that basically is doing the same thing with impunity!
Oh, and Nuffan - Bill gates in the 90s and early 2000s could have really done some great things to prevent what we have today - social media companies harvesting our data, but due to Government Anti-Trust laws his hands were tied and now we have things like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and the likes because Bill just up and retired then took his marbles to Africa! Probably to avoid taxes in part.

Gates saw the internet as something that would create demand for his product...

He was long retired before many of the things you name were even conceived...

The services you speak of...facebook, twitter, Instagram...all of them create demand for devices...all of them the consumer volunteers to put the information out there...

all of them were brilliant and offered the best in class for the service they provided...you can create your own facebook...you just can not call it facebook...and it will likely never topple the giant...but you can try....lol

thanks to a free market...the consumer decides which service is the best in class...

It just shows how little you know about the industry...
Windows had come out with a way to share your life much like your Facebook and other social media applications today but much better... If you knew the period, then you would know Windows and Gates had the entire game tied up with his "MSN MESSENGER", and office suite products including the web browser "Internet Explorer" which was sued by Netscape under Anti-Trust grounds! Also the Government stepped in and broke it up much like Warren is advocating for Apple.
The truth is you really don't even know what you're talking about, trying to laugh off your ignorance by suggesting I open up another Facebook? Before facebook there was MySpace, before that Yahoo, before that AOL... trust me, anyone who knows is laughing at you since the #1 name of the game is to keep people sharing and in front of their computers... Whoever has the best interface at the moment wins, but no one will top Gates dominice during the infant stages of the internet - think dial up.
The irony is that the government intervention that they called Anti-Trust really just made it to where so many people out there using so many different browsers and plug-ins that you would almost need to be a billion dollar company to keep up with all the coding for all the different devices and cell phones out today. Even at it's core ICANN, they figured out a way to yet add another tax to the domain naming system with "https" designation that will see anyone paying a little bit more for what shouldn't even ever be an issue with a VPN connection anyway! It's just another way to lock out someone who might have a better idea.
Regardless what platform of social media or the web you use to "get out there" you will always have to cede a certain amount of data to be viewed when you're not connected. Most new social media sites are more than happy to store your data such as photos and post because they can capitalize on that. Nobody ever said Facebook was a good system, except maybe your layman ass, but it did get almost instant backing in terms of CASH and also a great deal of corporate support - most all big companies will advertise on the large platforms! Heck, even the FBI and all the three letter agencies have accounts across all the major platforms...
Really not much difference between Tom Anderson's "MySpace" and "Facebook" today, except Tom Anderson did not have the big money corporate backers. He took the golden parachute and he was smart for doing so because even he knew that a social medias dominance is finite. On and on they go cannibalizing one another in an effort to collect as much data about someone going as far back as possible.

The one confused here is you...

The first anti trust was about SELLING DOS (Disk Operating System) to IBM...

Then he immediately released MS-DOS the same exact product he just sold to IBM...

The second was for including hooks for his browser as part of the operating system...

the distinction between operating system and software was a thin line at the time...DOJ got it right...

The anti trust was not about the browser itself but the hooks in the operating system his browse got to use when no other browser could...

"Underlying these disputes were questions over whether Microsoft had manipulated its application programming interfaces to favor IE over third-party web browsers, Microsoft's conduct in forming restrictive licensing agreements with original equipment manufacturers (OEMs), and Microsoft's intent in its course of conduct."

Internet Explorer continued to be packaged with the OS but the private hooks had to be made for all software developers...

Gates maintained his dominance over OPERATING SYSTEMS...but lost the battle on add on software...

The rest is just dribble...

YOU can build a facebook...it is just a website...a very popular website...

I stated only the best in class survive....before AOL was PRODIGY...

While Yahoo is still around it is struggling because of the likes of GOOGLE...

people thought for a long time that no one would take out Yahoo as the top search engine...but it happened...

I was a software developer through the 80's it is how I got into database programming...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Wednesday 13th of March 2019 07:00:52 AM

-- Edited by Nuffan on Wednesday 13th of March 2019 07:03:32 AM

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-- Edited by Nuffan on Wednesday 13th of March 2019 07:25:17 AM

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

SELLC wrote:
Nobody ever said Facebook was a good system, except maybe your layman ass

Do you actually understand WHY Zuckerberg got the backing he got?

because he create a system that generated instant demand...

He crashed the Harvard Network with what was called FACEMASH a webpage he created in less than a day that got over 22K hits in the first two hours...

it was this that got him the backing...

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Anyone read where she claims going to daylight savings time year round is an extra hour every day which will heat the planet furthur?

Is she really that dumb with the stuff she comes out with or is it a game?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Nuffan wrote:
SELLC wrote:
Nobody ever said Facebook was a good system, except maybe your layman ass

Do you actually understand WHY Zuckerberg got the backing he got?

because he create a system that generated instant demand...

He crashed the Harvard Network with what was called FACEMASH a webpage he created in less than a day that got over 22K hits in the first two hours...

it was this that got him the backing...

Yeah, he basically created a Tender website of hot or not out of the entire Harvard student body!

Put anything sexual on the internet and watch the hits pile up!

Such a smart fellow to know that sex sells.. creates a simple program to go around storing photos and then run them as a slide show... such a marvel of genius that guy!

You should join Zuck and Jack for one of their goat dinners!

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

SELLC wrote:
Nuffan wrote:
SELLC wrote:
Nobody ever said Facebook was a good system, except maybe your layman ass

Do you actually understand WHY Zuckerberg got the backing he got?

because he create a system that generated instant demand...

He crashed the Harvard Network with what was called FACEMASH a webpage he created in less than a day that got over 22K hits in the first two hours...

it was this that got him the backing...

Yeah, he basically created a Tender website of hot or not out of the entire Harvard student body!
Put anything sexual on the internet and watch the hits pile up!
Such a smart fellow to know that sex sells.. creates a simple program to go around storing photos and then run them as a slide show... such a marvel of genius that guy!
You should join Zuck and Jack for one of their goat dinners!

Actually it was several colleges in the area...most the really brilliant ideas of the world are really simple...as his was...

You seem to really over simplify it...

Hot or Not was already in place, and while he did use the same idea, he took it three steps further...

Hot or Not was not getting the kind of traffic that facemash generated...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Looks like Facebook AND Instagram were down today.

http://www.fox2detroit.com/home/don-t-panic-but-facebook-and-instagram-are-down

I don't think I have oversimplified it at all...

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

SELLC wrote:
Looks like Facebook AND Instagram were down today.
http://www.fox2detroit.com/home/don-t-panic-but-facebook-and-instagram-are-down
I don't think I have oversimplified it at all...

So exactly why are hot or not and myspace not dominating the market?

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Probably the best example of unregulated capitalism I can think of, would be prescription drug prices. If you guys think what big pharma is doing to us is a beacon of freedom and the ideal the founders envisioned, then by all means keep voting Republican.

I believe when they come up with a cure for something, they should absolutely be able to make a pretty profit on it to more than recover their R&D and production costs etc. But when their patent finally is about to expire, and they make a tiny change to the formulation and use fancy lawyering to renew their patent for another couple decades for the purpose of absolutely gouging the people for something that has already paid for itself many times over, that is an abuse. When they intentionally KILL people by getting as many people as possible addicted to opoids so they can make some more money on something they didn't even invent anyway, that is also an abuse that I feel needs to be addressed, and so does AOC. This notion that an absolutely unregulated market is a "self correcting engine" is, and always has been bullshit. Markets require regulation, feel free to disagree, but pray you never contract an illness for which the medicine will cost several hundred thousand dollars per year.

Putting reasonable regulations on markets is not communism or socialism, it's pragmatism.

The FDA is why BIG PHARMA exists as it does...

GOVERNMENT is the problem...not the solution....

And it is democrats who keep voting down Canadian drugs...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Nuffan wrote:
And it is democrats who keep voting down Canadian drugs...

Senators Klobuchar and Sanders (both Democrats) proposed an amendment to allow for the reimportation of Canadian drugs. It was killed by 13 Dems, and 39 Republicans.

Let us not pretend for even a moment that the Democratic party is the majority shareholder in this blame. And as I recal, it was Republicans who banned Medicare from negotiating with pharmaceutical companies, which would eliminate the need for reimportation in the first place.

Sanders Klobuchar Ammendment votes in the Senate:

https://theslot.jezebel.com/for-some-reason-cory-booker-and-12-other-dems-killed-a-1791116094

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Let us not pretend for even a moment that the Democratic party is the majority shareholder in this blame. And as I recal, it was Republicans who banned Medicare from negotiating with pharmaceutical companies, which would eliminate the need for reimportation in the first place.

I am not a fan of Medicare Part D...which was a bipartisan con job....but to claim that if not for Medicare Part D we would not need reimportation is well confusing to say the least...

I am also not a fan of reimportation...this puts the risk all on the individual...

We need a way to allow retailers to source from Canada not allow our citizens to go there or mail order from there...

The problem is places like Rite Aid and Publix, Target and Kaiser Permanente are not allowed to buy from Canada and sell here...the answer is not to facilitating the citizen to buying from a foreign market...which is what that bill would do...

The problem is not Big Pharma...the problem is the FDA...The FDA perpetuates this nightmare because of the slush money it generates...

The problem is the foothold one small corrupted government agency uses FDA approval as a cudgel against the American citizen...

The problem is ASSHOLES like Martin Shkreli that then play the system for personal gain...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Thursday 14th of March 2019 04:40:57 AM

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Nuffan wrote

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1. GOVERNMENT is the problem...not the solution....

2. And it is democrats who keep voting down Canadian drugs...

R.1 Wha-la !!!

R2. The Democrats may have a point here...And maybe that's why the wall at the Mexican border isn't such a great idea...Things like Michoacan & Acopulco Gold have historical & on-going significance, & need to the greater US-of-A population...

-- Edited by Rastus on Thursday 14th of March 2019 07:21:03 AM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Nuffan wrote:

The problem is ASSHOLES like Martin Shkreli that then play the system for personal gain...

I fully agree with this^^^

But his only crime is demonstrating the end state of unregulated capitalism by putting the acquisition of capital above all other priorities, with absolutely no regard for any human or environmental costs... Kind of like what AOC was warning about in the opening post for this thread. She wants to regulate capitalism so the aforementioned asshole, and those like him (they are NOT in short supply) don't murder us in order to make their billions.

Instead of elevating capitalism to a religion, we should realize that it was created by humans, and is thus equally imperfect.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Nuffan wrote:

The problem is ASSHOLES like Martin Shkreli that then play the system for personal gain...

I fully agree with this^^^
But his only crime is demonstrating the end state of unregulated capitalism by putting the acquisition of capital above all other priorities, with absolutely no regard for any human or environmental costs... Kind of like what AOC was warning about in the opening post for this thread. She wants to regulate capitalism so the aforementioned asshole, and those like him (they are NOT in short supply) don't murder us in order to make their billions.
Instead of elevating capitalism to a religion, we should realize that it was created by humans, and is thus equally imperfect.

Try again...it is the FDA that allows a SINGLE manufacturer...capitalism and a free market would self correct...get the government in the way and you enable people like Martin Shkreli...

a free market does not allow for patents...patents are how a rich person gets the government to rig capitalism in their favor...

What you ALWAYS fail to GRASP...it is government getting involved that creates the problem...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I know Reagan told you that, but have you ever stopped to actually question his credibility?

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
I know Reagan told you that, but have you ever stopped to actually question his credibility?

Actually I was not a HUGE fan of Reagan...no conservative ever said "deficits do not matter"....

but it is self evident...most the issues we have in the USA occur when government tries to intervene...

government is force that does not follow market principals...

As much of what FDR did only slowed the natural recovery and created inflation...

Quantitative Easing did the same under Obama...

We GET IT...YOU think GOVERNMENT is the answer...

AOC also thinks government is the answer...

both of you are fucking ignorant...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Martin Shkreli is not a product of the government, he is a product of capitalism. The government locked him up though. I suppose in your religion of free markets, the government should not have intervened in his case, and just let him run free to rape and pillage the American people until such time as market principles "self correct" him. Something that would work about as well and as swiftly as trickle down economics I'm sure.

So far as Martin Shkreli is concerned, I can think of no better poster boy for the policies you advocate.

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-- Edited by PowerStroker on Thursday 14th of March 2019 08:51:26 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

but...but...

how is he going to pay for his limited edition Wu-Tang albums?

How is he going to pay for Hillarys DNA test? Which ironically is the real reason he was locked up... for a post on Twitter about Hillary!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Maybe he is Stoma!?

Explains his extended absence! lol

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
Maybe he is Stoma!?
Explains his extended absence! lol

LOL !

You may well be onto something here !!! ( I wonder if he drives a Maserati ) ?....

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Martin Shkreli is not a product of the government, he is a product of capitalism. The government locked him up though. I suppose in your religion of free markets, the government should not have intervened in his case, and just let him run free to rape and pillage the American people until such time as market principles "self correct" him. Something that would work about as well and as swiftly as trickle down economics I'm sure.

So far as Martin Shkreli is concerned, I can think of no better poster boy for the policies you advocate.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Thursday 14th of March 2019 08:51:26 PM

He was locked up for securities fraud...

The government gave him the monopoly which allowed him to mark up his product as he did...because the government KEPT him from having ANY competition...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Friday 15th of March 2019 09:02:14 AM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

So are you suggesting the government needs to dust off the Sherman Antitrust act and start enforcing it again?

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
So are you suggesting the government needs to dust off the Sherman Antitrust act and start enforcing it again?

I am suggesting the Government should abolish the FDA...

it is the FDA who determines who get to hold a monopoly on a single drug...

IF not for the government (FDA) another manufacturer would compete against him which would keep the price down...

but this is your thread that Cortez is a capitalist...which is clearly a lie...in her own words Capitalism "TO HER" puts capital above all other matters...and she wants to undo that...

She is not in any way a capitalist...she wants to rid the world of capitalism...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Friday 15th of March 2019 09:07:17 AM

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

In Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez own words and I quote her EXACT COMMENTS....

What Capitalism is to her...is an ideology that puts capital above all else...and that we prioritize profit ahead of human and environmental cost...

What democratic Socialism is to her is when we put democracy and society first before capital...

Her version of Democratic Socialism sounds EXACTLY like Communism...with her the boss...

but lets be very clear here...calling her a capitalist is just ignorant...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Friday 15th of March 2019 05:24:26 PM

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

AOC is a puppet. Anyone watch that vid by "mr reagan" I posted. Not a blog, fact, interviews with Cerk Ugar (yound turks), Allysandra (rojas I think), Justice democrats (aoc and her handlers group) ties to Sorry ass soros.....

Very good vid. Watch it and you will know who is pulling her strings and their plan. I mean come on, she can't even speak let alone a thought.

-- Edited by Shawnee_B on Friday 15th of March 2019 06:17:13 PM

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Shawnee_B wrote:
AOC is a puppet. Anyone watch that vid by "mr reagan" I posted. Not a blog, fact, interviews with Cerk Ugar (yound turks), Allysandra (rojas I think), Justice democrats (aoc and her handlers group) ties to Sorry ass soros.....

Very good vid. Watch it and you will know who is pulling her strings and their plan. I mean come on, she can't even speak let alone a thought.

-- Edited by Shawnee_B on Friday 15th of March 2019 06:17:13 PM

Very True IMO...

And it doesn't matter who's elected, the same grand plan marches on in secrecy...Though there are some folks in the US-of-A in-the-know & with courage to leak things out...eg, like the thousands of civilian deaths carried out in secrecy everyday by US-of-A drones in places like the Middle East & Africa that we don't hear about, simply because that schmuck & disgraceful Mr.Trump tightened security on these operations...

The Anglo-American Empire is acting in full force o take over the world completely, & in secrecy from its own peoples...So now, does this = freedom, liberty, & justice ?...

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Rastus wrote:
Shawnee_B wrote:
AOC is a puppet. Anyone watch that vid by "mr reagan" I posted. Not a blog, fact, interviews with Cerk Ugar (yound turks), Allysandra (rojas I think), Justice democrats (aoc and her handlers group) ties to Sorry ass soros.....

Very good vid. Watch it and you will know who is pulling her strings and their plan. I mean come on, she can't even speak let alone a thought.

-- Edited by Shawnee_B on Friday 15th of March 2019 06:17:13 PM
Very True IMO...
And it doesn't matter who's elected, the same grand plan marches on in secrecy...Though there are some folks in the US-of-A in-the-know & with courage to leak things out...eg, like the thousands of civilian deaths carried out in secrecy everyday by US-of-A drones in places like the Middle East & Africa that we don't hear about, simply because that schmuck & disgraceful Mr.Trump tightened security on these operations...
The Anglo-American Empire is acting in full force o take over the world completely, & in secrecy from its own peoples...So now, does this = freedom, liberty, & justice ?...

Did you watch the vid?

Freedom, liberty and justice will come when everyone of them cocksuckers is worm dirt.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Guess AOC's green new deal went the way of the pooper, PowerStroker! LOL

Guess she can suck it now!