PowerStroker wrote:

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SELLC Responded:

1. The vast majority of the Russian people are great, but are presently ruled illegitimately by a pariah whose interests are not at all conducive with US foreign policy and is a very real threat to some of our allies. Once the Russian people are finally able to rid themselves of the Putin government and actually hold a free election, I'm sure we would have much better relations at that time.

Ruled illegitimately by whom? We could say the same thing about the rest of the world from England's Monarchy, to China's and North Korea's dictatorships. IIRC Putin was elected and had to run against other contenders. You claim their election wasn't free, care to state some facts backed with links to support them claims? I'd be interested to see what you have outside of the fact that Putin was ex KGB.

2. The $30 million investigation turned up all kinds of stuff. Just because the president's hand picked attorney general says there isn't enough evidence to prove crimes beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, doesn't mean no such crimes exist. This is the same attorney general who burried the Iran-Contra scandal, so his opinion means nothing. Mueller himself said the report does NOT exonerate the president. Mueller merely gathered the evidence and will rightly allow Congress to investigate whether any of it constitutes obstruction of justice - a very much open question.

That is your problem PowerStroker, the investigation did NOT turn up shit! Or at least nothing that could warrant an impeachment, much less a coup d'etat. This current congress has already proved itself to be a clown-shoed gang of loonies.. Then there is the fact that the entire investigation was a partisan hit job and how the hell could you even dream of obstruction when the basis for the investigation was itself a fabricated fraud? The only open question that remains is who is responsible for the Steele dossier and the illegal FISA warrant! Word on the street is that said people will be facing the music as plans are under way right this very moment to bring them to justice. Could get ugly for you guys, especially when Hillary Clinton herself is getting on national television and telling people that such an impeachment push would only backfire. I hope they do try something stupid because these traitors need to be made examples of!

3. I agree that 2 years have been lost with immeasurable cost. Had Russia not attacked our election, we may well have had a different result, perhaps one reflected by the popular vote.

I hate to break this to you PowerStroker, but such meddling in the election started on Obama's watch and he did absolutely nothing but allow it in hopes he could use it as an excuse to spy on Trumps campaign. It has already been proven! So you're absolutely right! Had Obama done something about it, rather than pulling another "fast a furious" to spy on Trump then it could have been prevented back in 2014-2015! Pretty sad if you ask me! 

4. Treason is very narrowly defined as waging war against the United States, or providing aid and comfort to those who are. Whereas Congress has not presently declared war against anyone, it's awfully hard to charge someone with treason.

I think the actions of the Democrat players involved are staring a civil war, thus we are talking about treasonous acts! The very worst kind too!

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What are you talking about PowerSroker!? People fall out of balcony windows and have pianos fall on their heads all the time! Just like people wash up on the Florida coastline all the time! What are you trying to say?

No one is saying Russia isn't looking out for itself, and no one is saying that Putin isn't a dangerous fella... But it is his people whom make him dangerous and you best not forget that PowerStroker... No one is saying that we should let Russia run roughshod all over the United States like Obama did, but let's face it - there is a huge market in Russia too! Maybe not as big of a market as in Asia, but at some point we have to consider the possibility of getting along. People migrate from all over the world here to the USA, and people who are American citizens also travel all over the country and live abroad. 

If anyone cozied up with Russia and Putin it was the Clinton family. Didn't see you protesting when Hillary got out her big fat re-set button, and I haven't seen you mention anything about the little uranium kick-back deal the Clintons had going with the Russians... And FYI - the tax cuts benefited EVERYONE! Perhaps they benefited big industry a little more but something had to be done to prevent the mass export of our jobs and factories! Just look at the job numbers and you can see it is working! It was getting so bad there for awhile I thought they were going to shift out US Government call centers to India as well! LOL

PowerStroker wrote:

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There is no free election if anyone who comes close to beating him ends up dead. This isn't just Vince Foster conspiracy garbage. Putin is a much worse person than I think you realize. I have no issue with the vast majority of the Russian people, but the Putin government is NOT something we should ever ally ourselves with, because it is the very definition of un-American, and he is the very definition of evil.

Republicans used to be all hard ass against Russia, until President Trump came along. Interesting how quickly you will sell out your long standing principles for a quick tax cut and to induce lifelong emotional trauma to families legitimately seeking asylum.

Pro-life my ass.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/list-of-people-putin-is-suspected-of-assassinating-2016-3

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11799424

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Thursday 25th of April 2019 01:46:28 AM

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My current boss is Russian...born and raised he came here after he got his masters, and went on to get a PhD in Information Technology, his parents still live just outside Moscow....

According to him Putin is not the horrible person you and the left have decided he is...He is much better than Yeltsin and has the majority of the people behind him...

Powerstroker you really need to STOP listening to left wing media outlets they are feeding you a bunch of BULLSHIT...

Just like the left wing media claimed Putin was trying to take back the Ukraine is also a huge lie....if Putin wanted Ukraine he could easily take it...

Those in control of the Ukraine are fighting many of their own people who want to be part of the Soviet Union...

Russia is not attacking the Ukraine...the Ukraine is in CIVIL WAR....

-- Edited by Nuffan on Friday 26th of April 2019 06:44:46 PM

So the people are overwhelmingly happy with life under Putin, or so that's what some article says somewhere (no link provided).

That wasn't always the case, but it speaks to the case in point... The people in Russia want and respect a Pro-Russian President because Russia has not been infiltrated by a bunch un-loyal people only looking for handouts at the expense of hard working Russians...

Makes sense, I'll give em' that!

It's not that anyone doubts you Shawnee, it's just that it looks so much more credible with a link..

You know, for maximum show! LOL