Ex-NFL star SHOCKS 60 Democrats with one statement

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Reparations?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

I wonder what Nancy will say about this ?....( If anything )...

Every Western country will have a disgraceful tale to tell at some point in time of its existence, regardless of who was in power at-the-time. We're space-invaders.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

The Democratic party of old was in fact a bunch of racist slave owning bastards, I would not associate with them if that is what they still stood for today. Mr. Owens would do well to take a look at the entire history of things, and live in today, instead of focusing like a laser on a specific period of the past that suits a narrative that he has somehow been lead to believe is still the truth today.

Actually, there are a few members of this site who would benefit from the same advice.

clarity101 · ABOVE AND BEYOND

PowerStroker wrote:
The Democratic party of old was in fact a bunch of racist slave owning bastards, I would not associate with them if that is what they still stood for today. Mr. Owens would do well to take a look at the entire history of things, and live in today, instead of focusing like a laser on a specific period of the past that suits a narrative that he has somehow been lead to believe is still the truth today.

Actually, there are a few members of this site who would benefit from the same advice.

ALL those looking for 'reparations'/restitution (get rich scheme/by taking from those who

have made their way democratically, are "focusing like a laser on a specific period of the past that suits a narrative" that none living today have anything to do with.....

GROW UP and take responsibility for yourself! "Actually, there are a few members of this site who would benefit from the same advice."

if they are given reparations for something that took place before anyone today was even

born, im going to file a suit for restitution that was never paid by a stupid 17 year old who

was driving tooooooo fast and lost control of his vehicle and it flew into our backyard, thru

the fence taking down a small young tree, crashing thru our patio into our garage,

severley damaging the brick wall and work bench and tools.... he was fined for

damages which we never saw a dime of......his daddy was a judge...we paid out of

pocket for all repairs. NOONE would help fight for us because of daddy judge.

i dont even remember how much it cost us, we had to get a loan for repairs.

it was extensive.

im sure that many folks are faced with injustices thru life......

-- Edited by clarity101 on Tuesday 25th of June 2019 01:17:40 PM

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
The Democratic party of old was in fact a bunch of racist slave owning bastards, I would not associate with them if that is what they still stood for today. Mr. Owens would do well to take a look at the entire history of things, and live in today, instead of focusing like a laser on a specific period of the past that suits a narrative That he has somehow been lead to believe is still the truth today.

Actually, there are a few members of this site who would benefit from the same advice.

The people who are demanding reparation WOULD ALSO BENEFIT to the advice of living in today.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

It seems we all agree their beef is with the Confederacy and not the modern Democratic party. We fought a civil war in part to put those fucks out of business a long time ago. Nowadays the Democratic party is the liberal party, and the Confederacy only exists in the hearts and minds of less sophisticated people.

I suppose reparations could be sought from those who still want a rebirth of the Confederacy, but proving what one believes is awfully difficult unless they drive a car through a crowd of anti-fascist protesters and make it abundantly obvious. And those people generally aren't successful enough in life to have enough money to pay said reparations anyway, so it's usually a moot point.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 26th of June 2019 11:06:58 PM

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
It seems we all agree their beef is with the Confederacy and not the modern Democratic party. We fought a civil war in part to put those fucks out of business a long time ago. Nowadays the Democratic party is the liberal party, and the Confederacy only exists in the hearts and minds of less sophisticated people.
I suppose reparations could be sought from those who still want a rebirth of the Confederacy, but proving what one believes is awfully difficult unless they drive a car through a crowd of anti-fascist protesters and make it abundantly obvious. And those people generally aren't successful enough in life to have enough money to pay said reparations anyway, so it's usually a moot point.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 26th of June 2019 11:06:58 PM

The confederacy does not exist at all...

Reparations are the idea of democrats....probably because they feel guilty...

The whole idea of reparations is that WHITE people somehow owe money to BLACK people...

Never mind most white people never owned slaves at all...and it was white people who fought to free the slaves...

Never mind that it was BLACK people who sold their own into slavery...

None of the lines democrats like to draw are as clean as they tend to assume they are...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

For someone who seems to agree with me about reparations, you sure seem snippy. How exactly did black people sell their own in to slavery exactly?

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
For someone who seems to agree with me about reparations, you sure seem snippy. How exactly did black people sell their own in to slavery exactly?

The people who controlled the slave trade when the United States was created were blacks in Africa....

The largest single slave owner in North America was a black man in Virginia....He had more because he was a dealer...

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
For someone who seems to agree with me about reparations, you sure seem snippy. How exactly did black people sell their own in to slavery exactly?

Since when did pointing out the truth become snippy???

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Nuffan wrote:
The confederacy does not exist at all...
Only in the hearts and minds of people who protest the removal of Confederate statues etc.
Reparations are the idea of democrats....probably because they feel guilty...
The old slave owning Dems of generations past SHOULD feel guilty, as should anyone who flies a rebel flag today.
The whole idea of reparations is that WHITE people somehow owe money to BLACK people...
I thought you didn't believe in race... I guess you just believe in colors then?
There are lots of kinds of reparations. When native Americans get reservations on which they can build tax free casinos, that's a reparation. When Bill Oreilly / Fox news has to pay millions to the women he harassed, that is a form of reparations too.
Never mind most white people never owned slaves at all...and it was white people who fought to free the slaves...
Some white people fought to free them, and had I lived in that time I would have been among them. This is why I'm against the blanket reparations that some in my party support. I merely suggest that if we could find a way to identify those who would still support the Confederacy today if it existed - they would be an appropriate group of people to pay reparations, but all of this is unlikely. I suppose we could look for rebel flags / bumper stickers etc, and garnish the wages of people who display them? You shouldn't mind because I'm sure all of those people are Democrats right?
Never mind that it was BLACK people who sold their own into slavery...
There may have been a few bad apples among the African people who sold out their own. The same thing happens here whenever rich white people implement laws that stick it to working class white people. Evil sees no color my friend. I would submit that despite the few exceptions of which you speak, the overwhelming amount of the injustice was implemented by white people against black people in those days.
None of the lines democrats like to draw are as clean as they tend to assume they are...
I've seen Roots dude, and the transactions of which you speak sure didn't look as voluntary as you would have us believe.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I'm just going to set this here if y'all don't mind

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Nuffan wrote:
The confederacy does not exist at all...
Only in the hearts and minds of people who protest the removal of Confederate statues etc.
Reparations are the idea of democrats....probably because they feel guilty...
The old slave owning Dems of generations past SHOULD feel guilty, as should anyone who flies a rebel flag today.
The whole idea of reparations is that WHITE people somehow owe money to BLACK people...
I thought you didn't believe in race... I guess you just believe in colors then?
There are lots of kinds of reparations. When native Americans get reservations on which they can build tax free casinos, that's a reparation. When Bill Oreilly / Fox news has to pay millions to the women he harassed, that is a form of reparations too.
Never mind most white people never owned slaves at all...and it was white people who fought to free the slaves...
Some white people fought to free them, and had I lived in that time I would have been among them. This is why I'm against the blanket reparations that some in my party support. I merely suggest that if we could find a way to identify those who would still support the Confederacy today if it existed - they would be an appropriate group of people to pay reparations, but all of this is unlikely. I suppose we could look for rebel flags / bumper stickers etc, and garnish the wages of people who display them? You shouldn't mind because I'm sure all of those people are Democrats right?
Never mind that it was BLACK people who sold their own into slavery...
There may have been a few bad apples among the African people who sold out their own. The same thing happens here whenever rich white people implement laws that stick it to working class white people. Evil sees no color my friend. I would submit that despite the few exceptions of which you speak, the overwhelming amount of the injustice was implemented by white people against black people in those days.
None of the lines democrats like to draw are as clean as they tend to assume they are...
I've seen Roots dude, and the transactions of which you speak sure didn't look as voluntary as you would have us believe.

Listen Fuckstick...there is no longer a confederacy....

I do not believe in race...nor do I believe in reparations, but the people who do believe in reparations draw it out as white vs black.

Sure there are lots of reparations...some are warranted...the idea that white people OWE black people is STUPID...

You merely suggest something foolish which is the problem with idiots like you...

The confederate flag is not a symbol of racism...only ignorant people even suggest that it is...

Donald Trump is not a racist...

He is going to win again in 2020 in a landslide. the last two nights of democratic debates were an embarrassment...the democratic party is DEAD...lol

The battle ground states of 2016 are all doing remarkably well under Trump...

and several dark blue states are doing much better under Trump...

California is in serious trouble with the elite wealthy fleeing the tax burdens of the state...

Democrats are openly calling for tax hikes...

They are embracing extreme positions,

male athletes competing against female.

3rd trimester abortions...

reparations...

carbon tax...

full blown socialism...

and they honestly believe they can win on that platform...

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
The Democratic party of old was in fact a bunch of racist slave owning bastards, I would not associate with them if that is what they still stood for today. Mr. Owens would do well to take a look at the entire history of things, and live in today, instead of focusing like a laser on a specific period of the past that suits a narrative that he has somehow been lead to believe is still the truth today.

Actually, there are a few members of this site who would benefit from the same advice.

You probably should not associate with them then...

Democrats use race to gain power...they ALWAYS HAVE and they always will...

Your party is full of a bunch of extremist...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

If my party is a bunch of extremists, why is it you who are trying to normalize the Confederacy as not racist?

Modern display of the Confederate battle flag

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The display of flags used by and associated with the Confederate States of America (18611865) has continued, with a long interruption, into the present day, with the "Southern cross" used in the battle flag of General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia gaining the most popular recognition as a modern symbol of the Confederacy, and by extension, theSouthern United States in general. Such displays have been made for a variety of reasons, with Southern heritage, states' rights, and historical commemoration among the stated reasons for particular uses. Displaying the flag has long been controversial in the United States, due to the flag's longstanding associations with racism, slavery, segregation, white supremacy, and treason.^[1]^[2]^[3] Many Southerners associate the Confederate battle flag with pride in their heritage and traditions, but for many outsiders it is impossible to separate the flag from its association with the defense of slavery and racial bias.^[4]

Despite the common belief that "the Confederate flag" has remained in uninterrupted use since the end of the American Civil War, its use was mostly limited to historical films, like Gone with the Wind (1939). Its revival in the 1950s and 1960s was also used to show opposition to the Civil Rights Movement, starting with Senator Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrats in 1948. Racism played a major role in its renewed popularity.

Southern historian Gordon Rhea further wrote in 2011 that:

It is no accident that Confederate symbols have been the mainstay of white supremacist organizations, from the Ku Klux Klan to the skinheads. They did not appropriate the Confederate battle flag simply because it was pretty. They picked it because it was the flag of a nation dedicated to their ideals: 'that the negro is not equal to the white man'. The Confederate flag, we are told, represents heritage, not hate. But why should we celebrate a heritage grounded in hate, a heritage whose self-avowed reason for existence was the exploitation and debasement of a sizeable segment of its population?

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Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
If my party is a bunch of extremists, why is it you who are trying to normalize the Confederacy as not racist?

Modern display of the Confederate battle flag
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The display of flags used by and associated with the Confederate States of America (18611865) has continued, with a long interruption, into the present day, with the "Southern cross" used in the battle flag of General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia gaining the most popular recognition as a modern symbol of the Confederacy, and by extension, theSouthern United States in general. Such displays have been made for a variety of reasons, with Southern heritage, states' rights, and historical commemoration among the stated reasons for particular uses. Displaying the flag has long been controversial in the United States, due to the flag's longstanding associations with racism, slavery, segregation, white supremacy, and treason.^[1]^[2]^[3] Many Southerners associate the Confederate battle flag with pride in their heritage and traditions, but for many outsiders it is impossible to separate the flag from its association with the defense of slavery and racial bias.^[4]

Despite the common belief that "the Confederate flag" has remained in uninterrupted use since the end of the American Civil War, its use was mostly limited to historical films, like Gone with the Wind (1939). Its revival in the 1950s and 1960s was also used to show opposition to the Civil Rights Movement, starting with Senator Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrats in 1948. Racism played a major role in its renewed popularity.
Southern historian Gordon Rhea further wrote in 2011 that:
It is no accident that Confederate symbols have been the mainstay of white supremacist organizations, from the Ku Klux Klan to the skinheads. They did not appropriate the Confederate battle flag simply because it was pretty. They picked it because it was the flag of a nation dedicated to their ideals: 'that the negro is not equal to the white man'. The Confederate flag, we are told, represents heritage, not hate. But why should we celebrate a heritage grounded in hate, a heritage whose self-avowed reason for existence was the exploitation and debasement of a sizeable segment of its population?
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Because the confederacy was NOT about racism...

White Supremacy was racist and those people picked the confederate flag because THEY were racist...

Just because they were racist does not mean the confederacy was racist or stood for racism...

You are conflating the two...

People put all sorts of things on wikipedia does not make it true or factual...

if you actually took time to really study it you would know better, but you would rather just take the convenient way out and accept the bullshit narrative that all southerners are racist and always have been....

Robert E Lee freed the slaves he inherited, long before the civil war began....true story...he only fought for the south because he could not go to war with his own neighbors in Virginia...

There was nothing at all racist about the general....yet people like you want to tear down any statue of him because it fits your political need...

You're just a typical piece of shit liberal who is ignorant to actual facts on a subject you continue to discuss...

AND IT IS YOUR PARTY...That supports reparations...Supports males competing in female sporting event...and supports abortion as birth control of last resort in the 9th month...

your party is a piece of shit and going to lose in historic fashion come 2020...BECAUSE of all these EXTREME position they are getting behind.

Your party is the party of communism....they want a simple majority to be allowed to force the rest of the country to their way of thinking...

The democrats are the ones acting like authoritarians...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Friday 28th of June 2019 07:32:59 AM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I never said all southerners were racists. I merely noticed a pattern among those who display the Confederate battle flag, whereupon I determined that if anyone should ever be forced to pay reparations, it should be them. You don't have one do you? I suppose I should have asked earlier.

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-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 28th of June 2019 09:01:39 AM

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
I never said all southerners were racists. I merely noticed a pattern among those who display the Confederate battle flag, whereupon I determined that if anyone should ever be forced to pay reparations, it should be them. You don't have one do you? I suppose I should have asked earlier.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 28th of June 2019 09:01:39 AM

I am actually Pro Choice myself...but within the first trimester...

Democrats of today are going out of their way to make it legal to the moment of actual birth...

and I do not care how you try and paint that as a right or a choice it is pure evil to abort a child in the third trimester....for any reason outside of mothers health.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
I never said all southerners were racists. I merely noticed a pattern among those who display the Confederate battle flag, whereupon I determined that if anyone should ever be forced to pay reparations, it should be them. You don't have one do you? I suppose I should have asked earlier.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 28th of June 2019 09:01:39 AM

Curious EXACTLY where did notice this pattern? have you actually ever seen anyone display a confederate flag in your life?

In the south you see black families displaying it all the time...but according to you it is some sign of white supremacy.....lol

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Where I'm from it's a symbol you never ever see displayed. Here in the Northern states it's about as taboo as a displaying a swastika. But any time there is news coverage of some KKK gathering or Unite the Right rally those flags seem to be displayed quite proudly (often along side actual swastikas). And since the people at those rallies are there because they share a belief of white supremacy, their enthusiasm for that flag tends to give that flag a new meaning from what it was allegedly intended originally... Kind of like Pepe the frog.

At this point there is no way to defend Pepe the frog, and I'd be surprised if you tried. Though I am surprised by your constant defense of the Confederacy, so I guess I'm becoming less surprised the more time I spend here.

Here is all you need to know: The Union states won the war, and that means we get to write the history books. Until such time as a Confederacy 2.0 defeats the Union, that's just the way it is.

You still didn't answer my question: Do you have a Confederate flag displayed in any form?

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 28th of June 2019 09:44:45 AM

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Where I'm from it's a symbol you never ever see displayed. Here in the Northern states it's about as taboo as a displaying a swastika. But any time there is news coverage of some KKK gathering or Unite the Right rally those flags seem to be displayed quite proudly (often along side actual swastikas). And since the people at those rallies are there because they share a belief of white supremacy, their enthusiasm for that flag tends to give that flag a new meaning from what it was allegedly intended originally... Kind of like Pepe the frog.

At this point there is no way to defend Pepe the frog, and I'd be surprised if you tried. Though I am surprised by your constant defense of the Confederacy, so I guess I'm becoming less surprised the more time I spend here.

Here is all you need to know: The Union states won the war, and that means we get to write the history books. Until such time as a Confederacy 2.0 defeats the Union, that's just the way it is.
You still didn't answer my question: Do you have a Confederate flag displayed in any form?

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 28th of June 2019 09:44:45 AM

Who are you to demand I answer your question...

TRY THIS....

GO FUCK YOURSELF...

So your pattern actually does not exist because it is not displayed where you live at all...

basically speaking you are a fucking liar....and you made it up to support your bullshit narrative...

but according to you it is a symbol of white supremacy and racism....

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I believe I have my answer, thank you!

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
I believe I have my answer, thank you!

You are making a huge assumption and figures someone like you WOULD....

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

If you at no point displayed a Confederate flag in any form, up to and including bumper stickers or ass tattoos, you would have simply said so.

This is because you are lazy. Not that it's a bad thing, so am I, and so is everything in nature. This is why electricity finds the shortest path to ground etc. It would have been less work to deny it than to check google for a stock photo of a black man with a confederate flag and get all pissed off.

Side note - The African American gentleman is actually holding the old version of the Georgia state flag that was replaced in 2001 for one that looked less like a racist banner. And though one could certainly question why he would have any pride in Georgia whatsoever, that my friends, is a psychosis for another day.

Image result for georgia state flag

If it makes you feel better, I'm pretty sure Shawnee would become equally frazzled by the same question, and possibly Clarity too. I have my doubts about Rex though with his proximity to Detroit. I would imagine flying the rebel flag there would get someone shanked in short order, but then again, Rex always has been one to "poke the bear." Perhaps Rex is a closet Confederate.

Do you mind if I ask whether you still display it to this day, or if it was just something from your youth?

... And if you do still display it today, could you post a picture of it so I can see it in context. Unless of course yours is the ass tattoo version, in which case, just tell us about it please.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 28th of June 2019 11:53:30 PM

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

I would be frazzled by what? I have never had or displayed but people here do and doesn't bother me in the least. The Conflag does not represent what you believe it does. Not one bit.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I'm glad you don't display it Shawnee! It means different things to different people to be sure. Unfortunately in modern times it has been adopted by some of the worst people to proudly represent a call for a return to the worst in our history. Much the way Pepe the frog started out innocent, and then was taken by many of the same people to mean the same thing. Whenever that happens, it's really hard, if not impossible to "cleanse" a symbol again once it has been tainted through its adoption by white supremacists. The same is true of the "N" word or swastikas. Sure a perfectly reasonable and open minded person could say or display such a thing without themselves being racist, but not without causing others to question what, if anything, is in their heart.

There is no path to cleanse the "N" word, swastikas, Pepe, and I believe the Confederate flag has joined that list too, regardless of what it used to mean to some people.

I think the Duke boys even renamed their Dodge Charger "General Patton", and painted an American flag on the roof by now.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I've been at a rustic camp site with no power and very limited cell phone service for the past few days and let me tell you... I actually started to miss this rat race, in-your face media blizing lifestyle we live in today!

Just crazy how much time I waste caring about things out of my control and allowing the media (includes social media) to get me worked up. Didn't take long before I was pissed off again once I got on the internet.

And FYI - $17 trillion in reparations!?

So to fix this problem we are going to enrich the black people to the point they are the new slave owners of white people who will be taxed to death?

Then I read about this Wang guy who is trying to buy the Presidency by promising everyone $12,000 a year in free money? Isn't that basically a bribe!? Where does this ($12k x 320 million people) money come from?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Don't worry Rex, I'll tell my pals not to charge all white people. Just the ones who proudly display Confederate flags or pictures thereof. And don't think of it as a tax, but a fee. A racist banner fee if you will. I'm sure you have nothing to worry about, right?

I'll even ask for a grace period so people can do some soul searching and get rid of any such flags/images before the fee takes effect.

Seem reasonable?

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

I knew you would make a BAD assumption....

I have NEVER once owned a confederate flag...

I have a US Flag that I put on my porch on certain holidays...

I went out of my way to find the picture to show you in the south black people do not see the flag as a racist symbol...

I REFUSE to allow a few inbred morons define terms around the confederate flag...

How delusional for one to think their pals are the ones in charge....what a fucking dolt....

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Don't worry Rex, I'll tell my pals not to charge all white people. Just the ones who proudly display Confederate flags or pictures thereof. And don't think of it as a tax, but a fee. A racist banner fee if you will. I'm sure you have nothing to worry about, right?

I'll even ask for a grace period so people can do some soul searching and get rid of any such flags/images before the fee takes effect.

Seem reasonable?

I have never owned one.....but I will make certain to pick one up today....lol

You and your pals are welcome to come and try to take money from me....

-- Edited by Nuffan on Saturday 29th of June 2019 06:34:28 AM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I'm glad to hear you haven't had one until today Nuffan. And while I may never understand your desire to continually defend the Confederacy, I do know that the few inbred morons of which you speak have adopted it as a symbol, and therefore made your job that much harder. On the bright side, it will give you many more opportunities to attempt defending the Confederacy in the future I'm sure. Keep on fighting for it though if that's what makes you happy.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I have had MANY confederate flag license plates and I have proudly displayed them on many of my vehicles! I have also had countless Dukes of Hazzard models and matchbox cars that had the confederate flag on them!

Screw you PowerStroker! The "REBEL" flag is just that, the flag of the Rebel! It's not a racist symbol, it's a fucking FLAG! In many eastern nations the Swastika is a religious symbol, still is today! Are these people Nazi's? NO!

It's not the flag that makes someone a racist, it's the person! You fucking liberals trying to glorify the gay rainbow flag and demonize the Rebel flag? Fuck you bigots! I think anyone who flies the rainbow flag is a gay biggot and should be fined!

How about that!?

Oh, and FYI -

My high school prom photo! And behind me? My woman at the time and my white 1973 Camaro! Eat it!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Better hurry Rex, the grace period is going to expire...

Unless you'd like to join Nuffan on his unsolicited Confederacy outreach and education tour, though I doubt it will be as warmly received as he expects.

clarity101 · ABOVE AND BEYOND

PowerStroker wrote:
For someone who seems to agree with me about reparations, you sure seem snippy. How exactly did black people sell their own in to slavery exactly?

you might want to try READING some about the actual historical facts of slavery rather than spouting endless demonicRATS liberal progressive diatribes..................

as bad and unreliable as google is becoming it can be your friend if you look deep enough!

In his excellent book The Thomas Sowell Reader, which I recommend very highly, Thomas Sowell provides some insightful commentary about slavery in the chapter titled Twisted History:

Of all the tragic facts about the history of slavery, the most astonishing to an American today is that, although slavery was a worldwide institution for thousands of years, nowhere in the world was slavery a controversial issue prior to the 18th century. People of every race and color were enslaved and enslaved others. White people were still being bought and sold as slaves in the Ottoman Empire, decades after American blacks were freed.

Incidentally, the September 2003 issue of National Geographic had an article about the millions of people still enslaved around the world right now. But where is the moral indignation about that?

There are an estimated 27 million men, women, and children in the world who are enslaved physically confined or restrained and forced to work, or controlled through violence, or in some way treated as property.
Therefore, there are more slaves today than were seized from Africa in four centuries of the trans-Atlantic slave trade [11 million total, and about 450,000, or about 4% of the total, who were brought to the United States]. The modern commerce in humans rivals illegal drug trafficking in its global reachand in the destruction of lives.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Better hurry Rex, the grace period is going to expire...

Unless you'd like to join Nuffan on his unsolicited Confederacy outreach and education tour, though I doubt it will be as warmly received as he expects.

So I guess you have never met black hillbillies or black cowboys?

Let me tell you, they don't wear their pants below the crack of their asses and they speak with a Southern draw.

Liberals can't stand when society tells them to grow the fuck up, like in 2016... but you guys really do need to grow the fuck up - mind your own business and worry about your own problems instead.

Just because someone likes the look and image of a "rebel" flag, does not mean they are racist or Nazi sympathizers - even though your lame mentality is trying to associate them with a stigmatizing image to further your bullshit narrative.

I had a "rebel" flag on my F250 not to long ago, well before Obama of course... But once Obama got in there it was a war on white people and history. Unfortunately for Obama many people, myself included - were not buying this narrative!

It's just a damn shame that people will get hurt or even worse killed over this sort of thing now day because just like the Trump hat, you folks seem to think you decide what is racist - but you don't.

-- Edited by SELLC on Saturday 29th of June 2019 03:39:07 PM

clarity101 · ABOVE AND BEYOND

to give you a different perspective of slavery's scope, is a map of the world showing the number of slaves living in each country:

The number of slaves in each country. Click to enlarge. Data source: Walk Free Global Slavery Index. (Max Fisher/The Washington Post)

Yes, this map can be a little misleading. The United States, per capita, has a very low rate of slavery: just 0.02 percent, or one in every 5,000 people. But that adds up to a lot: an estimated 60,000 slaves, right here in America.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/?utm_term=.454e94d61217

this does not even come close to telling the whole complete story of slavery in the world but of course we all are

aware that you are not likely to actually pick up a bible and read the true and complete history........................

-- Edited by clarity101 on Saturday 29th of June 2019 03:51:18 PM

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clarity101 wrote:

as bad and unreliable as google is becoming it can be your friend if you look deep enough!

Google has gotten REALLY bad now days, especially the Google owned "YouTube"!

Try searching for anything about Obama, Islam or anything that sheds a poor light on a Democrat and it will either return nothing, or an article refuting the actual footage you are looking for!

Gone are the days where you could find a short 5-10 second clip of someone saying what they said, instead they replace it with an hour long speech because they want to be sure it's not taken out of context! Screw that!

Just a shame Bill Gates took the buyout, had he stuck with Windows and got good people he could have owned the internet. Once he left the company I went to Apple because I was worried about the direction of Windows and sure enough Windows has failed to make a decent phone to go with everyones desktop. They just couldn't do it! And as such Google come around and made Android, then bought out a lot of big IT sites and BOOM, they ate Bill Gates and Microsofts lunch. Such a shame.

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Shawnee knows a bunch of sites that will give you what you seek.

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very true SELLC! thats why i suggested you must dig verrrrrry deep.

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PowerStroker wrote:
Shawnee knows a bunch of sites that will give you what you seek.

You totally miss the point! Where is the balance? There is none!

I want to see BOTH sides! Equal amounts per page! Without the bias!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oF1Rd5kis4

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So even you agree Shawnee spends his time crawling around in conservative propaganda slime, nice!

To answer your request in a serious matter though, I suppose you could watch an hour of Fox every night, followed by an hour of the Rachel Maddow show. If you don't like her try Lawrence O'Donnell. Then you will see both sides.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Saturday 29th of June 2019 09:19:50 PM

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Or, Google could just quit being partisan hacks...

But we know that will never happen, they still snub Christians on Easter and Christmas.

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Black family fires contractor who shows up to job with Confederate flag on truck: 'I cannot pay you'

Elise Solé https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/black-family-fires-contractor-who-shows-up-to-job-with-confederate-flag-on-truck-i-cannot-pay-you-194856544.html

A Georgia contractor named Michael in Georgia arrived at the home of a black family with a Confederate flag on his truck. (Credit: Facebook)

A black family fired an independent contractor they had hired for a job after he drove to their home with a giant Confederate flag affixed to his truck.

Allison and Zeke Brown of Atlanta, Georgia hired the man, whose name is Michael, to replace the brakes on their golf cart. When he arrived at their home on Saturday, an enormous rebel flag was attached to his truck.

Hi, you know what, I do apologize, I know youve come from a very long way, but were going to use someone else, Allison, 40, a radiation therapist, tells Michael, as captured in a video on her Ring app.

Shes upset with the flag, explains Zeke, 48.

No, Im beyond upset with the flag, corrects Allison.

Michael offers to remove the flag, but Allison says, No, you dont need to take it down. You can continue to believe what you need to believe, sir. But no, I cannot pay you for your services. Thank you, have a good day.

Initially unaware of Michaels arrival, Allison was cleaning out her closet when Zeke walked into their bedroom and said, God is testing me.

Allison tells Yahoo Lifestyle, When my husband told me about the flag, I said, Let me handle this, adding that their college-aged son fled the house, anticipating his mothers reaction.

I didnt want to be the angry black woman but I wanted him to learn and feel that bottom-line loss, she says. You dont go to Germany and wave the Nazi flag. Its the same thing.

Zeke, a manager at a health care tech company, tells Yahoo Lifestyle that over the course of three days, he chatted with the man about work logistics over Facebook messenger. He hadnt been disrespectful prior, so seeing the flag did not fit my preconceptions, he says. The flag was absurd I had to walk back into the house to calm myself down.

After Michael left, he messaged Zeke saying, I didnt know the flag offended yall.

In screenshots of the conversation on Facebook Messenger shared with Yahoo Lifestyle, Zeke replied, Yes, it is extremely offensive to anyone of color. I understand it is part of American history, but that flag stood for a time in history where people such as myself had a very bad way of life...Micheal, I hope this small interaction causes you to do a little research on how several Americans feel about the Confederacy. I know its part of history, so is Nazi Germany...

Zeke tells Yahoo Lifestyle that he hoped the firing would be educational. I thought, Maybe there is hope for someone like him or an opportunity to save him from this way of thinking, he says. And I wanted that flag off my property as one of the few black families in our subdivision, what would the neighbors think of a Confederate symbol in our driveway?

Michael tells Yahoo Lifestyle that he is a redneck and that the flag is for the Fourth of July. My little siblings bought it from a flea market, he says. I dont support slavery and neither do my siblings. But I am not going to take it down when my siblings asked me to fly it. If [the family] wants to take offense, they can.

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I will admit that putting a confederate / rebel flag on your vehicle will illicit the attention you're looking for.

I feel the lady was 100% right in her feelings not to hire the guy for the flag, it's her right! But if someone denied a gay couple making a wedding cake it's a different story right? Straight white people are the only people who are required to cater to everyone without bias, right?

Because that is the way you make it sound, PowerStroker. The guy has the right to fly his flag, but at the same time others have the right to be upset about it. If this contractor had gotten there and refused to work on their home because they were black, it would be a completely different story and that is the hypocrisy that gets me! It has to be fair and equal, even if you are white!

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In the case of the baker, he was the vendor who rejected the customer, in this case it was the customer who rejected the vendor. The difference matters because it would seem to me that if a business is granted limited liability protections, public funding for their workforce's education, and a long list of other benefits, it would seem that a business should be barred from discriminating, or at least held to some decency standards considering everything We the People do for them.

Based on the picture you just posted, I think you should consider moving your entire family to Alabama. You would fit in perfectly there.

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Why do you say that PowerStroker? Do they drive a lot of Ford trucks in Alabama?

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SELLC wrote:
Why do you say that PowerStroker? Do they drive a lot of Ford trucks in Alabama?

Because the leftist mentality believe in identity politics...and everyone knows 160 years ago Alabama supported slavery, so naturally everyone living in Alabama is a racist white supremacist...

The part he is failing to see is you are not even in the south....at all...not one of the old confederate states...so you are upsetting his identity politics...therefore you need to move to Alabama...

We get it...a small minority have used the stars and bars as a symbol for white supremacy, it was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia it was originally square...

The civil war was more about the north determining tax rates for agricultural goods that came from the southern states than it was about slavery....

the main issue within the slavery debate was who would make that decision...the federal government or the states....and if the federal government made that decision for the states what other decisions would follow...

What today's democrat does not want the average citizen to understand is they never cared either way....they only need it for votes...Lyndon Johnson a democrat also said he would have the "niggers" voting democrat for the next 200 years...

The poor black man in 2019 just can not out smart whitey...is a really stupid narrative that the democrats want to use...

conservatives think individuals of all ethnic groups have the same opportunities...and history shows them to be correct...

Ask Morgan Freeman what he thinks...

Stellar007 · Member

PowerStroker wrote:

I'm just going to set this here if y'all don't mind

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Ah yes, I remember Nuffan, what a moron.

Stellar007 · Member

I loved how he always brought out the raging liberal in you...