Rep Al Green's bill was tabled because it was about impeaching him over his racist comments. For that offense, censure may be more appropriate.
I think there are some truly impeachable offenses like the 10 instances of obstruction of justice mentioned in the Mueller report that would be a more appropriate reason to have hearings. But to vote on impeachment before said hearings have even happened would be premature and irresponsible. This is a too serious a matter to be done for political reasons - which it seemed was the motivation behind Congressman Green's resolution. Had he instead called or censure for the particular offense of Trump's comments, it may well have passed.
If we do this, we should do it right and based on actual evidence (if any) of high crimes or misdemeanors. Things that can only be determined through Congressional hearings first.
Rep Al Green's bill was tabled because it was about impeaching him over his racist comments. For that offense, censure may be more appropriate.
I think there are some truly impeachable offenses like the 10 instances of obstruction of justice mentioned in the Mueller report that would be a more appropriate reason to have hearings. But to vote on impeachment before said hearings have even happened would be premature and irresponsible. This is a too serious a matter to be done for political reasons - which it seemed was the motivation behind Congressman Green's resolution. Had he instead called or censure for the particular offense of Trump's comments, it may well have passed.
If we do this, we should do it right and based on actual evidence (if any) of high crimes or misdemeanors. Things that can only be determined through Congressional hearings first.
Democrats will lose in 2020....They will also lose the house...They are so far away from getting even a split in the senate impeachment is never going to fly unless there is a real crime...and there is no real crime...
Obstruction of Justice requires an underlying crime...and there was none...
The part that you have to swallow is 95 democrats voted to move forward with impeachment...that is almost half your party....
Your party is very divided and these new members of the house are splitting your party apart...with the extreme narratives and bold face lies...
AOC is quite aware that no one is being forced to drink from toilet bowls...Her description of the facilities were just bold face lies...meant to do exactly what trump did with the birther bullshit...
2020 just like 2016 is going to be decided by the middle ground voters, neither fringe has any strength...
And this group that has now been given the name "The Squad" does not fair well with those centrist voters...
They only do well with the extreme left...and whomever the democrat candidate is, will get those extreme left votes either way...what they will not get is the centrist vote...
The fact it got forced to a vote should be troubling to democrats...
At the end of the day the congresswoman from Michigan wants to impeach the president because his remarks were offensive, so says the person who stated "we are going to impeach the motherfucker"
And I am still waiting for what was racist about Trump's statement....
Seems those on the left and the media are trying to put words into a statement that are simply not there...
Obstruction of Justice requires an underlying crime...and there was none...
If that were true, there would be no need to obstruct. Furthermore, obstruction of justice can prevent an underlying crime from being proven, it does not mean said crime didn't happen.
All of these things Congress is looking in to I'm sure.
Obstruction of Justice requires an underlying crime...and there was none...
If that were true, there would be no need to obstruct. Furthermore, obstruction of justice can prevent an underlying crime from being proven, it does not mean said crime didn't happen.
All of these things Congress is looking in to I'm sure.
If it turns out he is guilty of Russia Collusion and he somehow prevented it from being proven, then he can be charged with Obstruction of Justice which will carry additional penalties...but at it's core you can only obstruct if there is a underlying crime...
I am fine with Congress looking into the possibility, but I think you and I both know there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia...
Clinton is guilty of Obstruction of Justice, using bleach bit on devices under subpoena, certainly would equate to Obstruction of Justice, because we KNOW she is guilty of several crimes including lying to the FBI but was never charged because Comey said she had no intent...
This is the first I've heard of using bleach bit, but then I haven't been following her story with nearly as much intensity as you guys, you know since she lost and everything. I suppose that since her husband used to be president, such devices could contain things that were subject to his executive privilege, and therefore are not subject to subpoena. I mean if executive privilege works so well for the Trump family, why not the Clintons too right? I know it's a stretch, but Trump stretches all kinds of things regularly (the law, basic decency, recommended spray tan dose, and hair to name a few), so turn about is fair play I think.
I actually doubt Congress will find any proof of collusion involving President Trump directly, though members of his staff seem far more plausible. With regard to obstruction of justice however, It seems Mueller laid out a pretty clear road map for such a prosecution, but left it to Congress to make a decision whether to pursue it or not. Ultimately the only way this kind of thing is ever really settled, is at the ballot box. America always gets the president that America deserves. It just so happens that this time we apparently deserved a self absorbed asshole. I guess we were due for one since we were living large on peace and prosperity under the Obama administration for so long.
This is the first I've heard of using bleach bit, but then I haven't been following her story with nearly as much intensity as you guys, you know since she lost and everything. I suppose that since her husband used to be president, such devices could contain things that were subject to his executive privilege, and therefore are not subject to subpoena. I mean if executive privilege works so well for the Trump family, why not the Clintons too right? I know it's a stretch, but Trump stretches all kinds of things regularly (the law, basic decency, recommended spray tan dose, and hair to name a few), so turn about is fair play I think.
I actually doubt Congress will find any proof of collusion involving President Trump directly, though members of his staff seem far more plausible. With regard to obstruction of justice however, It seems Mueller laid out a pretty clear road map for such a prosecution, but left it to Congress to make a decision whether to pursue it or not. Ultimately the only way this kind of thing is ever really settled, is at the ballot box. America always gets the president that America deserves. It just so happens that this time we apparently deserved a self absorbed asshole. I guess we were due for one since we were living large on peace and prosperity under the Obama administration for so long.
The server in question was set up long after Bill's presidency....so no it is not even a STRETCH
And if congress can not prove collusion there will be no obstruction charges...
WE will see when Barr drops the bomb on the previous administration...
And if congress can not prove collusion there will be no obstruction charges...
If Congress can't prove collusion, it could be BECAUSE of obstruction, so I wouldn't rule out obstruction charges. Despite popular belief, there does not need to be an underlying crime for an obstruction charge. The whole underlying crime thing may matter to Barr, but he wouldn't be the one prosecuting, Congress would, and it is the prerogative of Congress to decide if an underlying crime matters or not in an obstruction charge based on whatever evidence they may have.
WE will see when Barr drops the bomb on the previous administration...
And if congress can not prove collusion there will be no obstruction charges...
If Congress can't prove collusion, it could be BECAUSE of obstruction, so I wouldn't rule out obstruction charges. Despite popular belief, there does not need to be an underlying crime for an obstruction charge. The whole underlying crime thing may matter to Barr, but he wouldn't be the one prosecuting, Congress would, and it is the prerogative of Congress to decide if an underlying crime matters or not in an obstruction charge based on whatever evidence they may have.
WE will see when Barr drops the bomb on the previous administration...
For what?
Congress can do whatever it likes....Senate will never convict...
And yes there has to be an underlying crime...if congress can show obstruction prevented the evidence from being uncovered, then they can indict for both collusion and obstruction...
but there was no collusion....
There are many things to go after the previous administration for...
The entire investigation of Hillary Clinton email server...where the previous administration helped cover it up...
The way the FISA warrant was obtained...
The bias in the DOJ and the FBI...
There are many issues Barr can go after the previous Administration and the trail is easy to see as they thought there was no chance Hillary would lose and any of it would matter...
Not gonna hold my breath waiting for the prosecution of the Obama administration from Barr or anyone else.
Barr is fully aware of his role of professional political hack. To prosecute the prior administration would remove any last trace of doubt, and would open the door for the next Democratic administration to appoint an AG that charges George W with war crimes, and Barr with any number of things. At some point the pendulum will swing the other way, Barr knows this, and Barr will avoid doing anything that could compromise himself in the future.
But feel free to keep dreaming about Obama and Clinton in prison if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
I can assure you that if Democrats push this to the point of civil unrest / war, yeah - these people will be prosecuted.
People like Omar, Talib and AOC could cost Democrats the House in 2020!
If Trump gets a supermajority to go along with his win in 2020 then you can almost guarantee this liberal ignorance will be squashed and the anti-Americanism coming from the left will be about as popular as the Clinton name.
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I can assure you that if Democrats push this to the point of civil unrest / war, yeah - these people will be prosecuted.
People like Omar, Talib and AOC could cost Democrats the House in 2020!
If Trump gets a supermajority to go along with his win in 2020 then you can almost guarantee this liberal ignorance will be squashed and the anti-Americanism coming from the left will be about as popular as the Clinton name.
Trump is not going to take the freedoms of leftist away...
And when we get to civil war two countries will be the end result...and civil war is inevitable...
Not gonna hold my breath waiting for the prosecution of the Obama administration from Barr or anyone else.
Barr is fully aware of his role of professional political hack. To prosecute the prior administration would remove any last trace of doubt, and would open the door for the next Democratic administration to appoint an AG that charges George W with war crimes, and Barr with any number of things. At some point the pendulum will swing the other way, Barr knows this, and Barr will avoid doing anything that could compromise himself in the future.
But feel free to keep dreaming about Obama and Clinton in prison if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Establishment Politicians would think that way...
GOOD thing Trump is not part of the establishment...
If his choice of cabinet secretaries is any indication, I'd say he is filling the swamp.
cabinet members from any administration are a far cry from the swamp...
You will see many incumbents start losing the more and more Trump points out the bullshit...
Democrats lost votes when 6 months after a government shut down over a 4.5 billion dollar border appropriation for what they called a manufactured crisis, they pass a 4.5 billion dollar border appropriation...
Slice it any way you want...blame it on climate change if it makes you feel better...but simple truth is...they got caught in a huge political LIE...
-- Edited by Nuffan on Friday 19th of July 2019 02:19:24 PM
