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SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Answer these four simple questions about Obama's alleged birth certificate

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Careful Rex, even Nuffan thinks birtherism conspiracies are racist.

The particular attorney who posted these most interesting questions seems like a very deep digger. I'll bet he could find some equally interesting questions about yours or my birth certificates too if he put his mind to it.

As an attorney he should know that the director of vital records for the state of Hawaii personally certified that a legitimate record of live birth in America exists for President Obama. It's awfully hard to dispute such a thing, especially when a newspaper also printed a birth announcement.

If that's not good enough, your god (President Trump) has admitted that Obama was born in America despite personally helping start a conspiracy theory to the contrary. For you to continue this path, is to be blasphemous of your god.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I hate to break it to you PowerStroker, but it's looking like this director of vital records that you put so much stock in may have been crooked like many others in your party.

And let's talk about this "news paper"... we all know how many news papers have gone down in flames for false reporting!

There was no newspaper article, and the long form birth certificate for Obama is NOT a copy of the original! That is a fact!

If someone lost their birth certificate they would go to the city where they were born and request a "copy", this "copy" would be just that, an identical "copy"!

This birth certificate Obama has been issued IS NOT a copy, it's a re-issue! Not even close to being the original!

That being the case, what we see is nothing more than a fiction. Without a copy of the ORIGINAL birth certificate what we are looking at is at best a fraud!

These are the facts, PowerStroker! Your little director of vital records is still just a human, a piece of shit one at that but it doesn't change the fact that people lie every day!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

How about you just explain and answer these four simple questions PowerStroker!?

That would probably be the BEST way to disprove these claims!

Why can't you do that? Because it's impossible? Because the facts are the facts?

I don't care what Nuffan thinks about Obamas birth certificate! In fact I'd invite him to answer these four simple questions!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

The Hawaii director of vital records at the time earned awards for being so good at his job.

I have shown you the birth announcement, are you suggesting that a fake birth announcement was made 50 years before he would ever become president?
Because damn, that's an awfully long conspiracy and a whole lot of things would have to go right to pull it off and make him president 50 years later. It would have been easier just to actually give birth to the dude in the US at that point huh?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Can you just answer the four fucking questions please?

Pretty please, with sugar on top - just answer the fuk'n questions!

No more conjecture and distractions - just explain to me how someone could be from a country that did not yet exist? That is just ONE, there is three more.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Gladly,

While the Republic of Kenya was formally established in 1964, It was still known as the Kenya Colony since 1920.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kenya

I'm kinda surprised the brilliant lawyer asking these idiotic questions didn't figure that out.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Um, here is the exact paragraph that you mention from Wiki,

The European and Arab presence in Mombasa dates to the Early Modern period, but European exploration of the interior began only in the 19th century. The British Empire established the East Africa Protectorate in 1895, from 1920 known as the Kenya Colony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kenya

There is no citation to any of this, in fact it looks like a paragraph that was just recently added! I am going to challenge this paragraph on Wiki and demand a citation!

Don't think for one minute that I want to believe this stuff is true, in fact I am hoping you can disprove all FOUR so I can sleep better tonight! Please, continue!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I started doing some digging of my own PowerStroker, the claims you make link back to a citation from this website

https://fotw.info/flags/eaf-brit.html

Which appear to be a home-brew website and not of any official capacity!

The Colony and Protectorate of Kenya, commonly known as British Kenya, was part of the British Empire in Africa from 1920 until 1963.

So why doesn't the birth certificate indicate British Kenya? Maybe because it's not original?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

To his first point: about black people being called negros, I'm sure it was a lot more common in 1961 than it is today, but to say that it was definitely the standard everywhere is unlikely. Perhaps it was the standard in whatever back water state that lawyer is from, but Hawaii has been more progressive and it is entirely plausible that "negro" was phased out of the vocabulary prior to 1961, or at least "African American" was in the process of being phased in. This is neither provable nor disprovable unless you ask an older resident of Hawaii I guess.

For the second point, see above.

For the 3rd point: Prior to 1978 the hospital was generally called Kapiolani Hospital... The birth certificate says Kapiolani Maternity & Gynelogical Hospital which just seems more specific but still consistent with what the legacy page explains on their website: https://www.hawaiipacifichealth.org/kapiolani/about-us/legacy/

"In 1978, the Kapiolani Hospital and the Kauikeolani Childrens Hospital merged to become Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children."
(which means prior to 1978 it was known as Kapiolani Hospital)
Kind of like how Chevy is a shortened version of Chevrolet. It seems they just listed the longer version on the birth certificate.

For the 4th point: The question isn't relevant to the authenticity of the birth certificate, only to the truthfulness of Obama's book. The Obama staff corrects the story here: https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/obamas-staff-corrects-wwii-story/

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I appreciate you efforts PowerStroker, but I still cant help but to feel this is not Obama's original birth certificate...

In fact, I don't think it ever existed - and even if it did, it's long gone.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Careful Rex, even Nuffan thinks birtherism conspiracies are racist.

The particular attorney who posted these most interesting questions seems like a very deep digger. I'll bet he could find some equally interesting questions about yours or my birth certificates too if he put his mind to it.

As an attorney he should know that the director of vital records for the state of Hawaii personally certified that a legitimate record of live birth in America exists for President Obama. It's awfully hard to dispute such a thing, especially when a newspaper also printed a birth announcement.

If that's not good enough, your god (President Trump) has admitted that Obama was born in America despite personally helping start a conspiracy theory to the contrary. For you to continue this path, is to be blasphemous of your god.

I think separating people in to groups based on skin color is racist...

YOU think anything directed at a non white person is racist...

YOU are the racist...

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Whoa !!!

Geez fellas...All you need for starters is 10-K to arrange an appointment with "Kissinger & Associates"...And then "X" amount of dollars there-after for the information that you seek...

Of course, it will be much cheaper & simpler to sit-out the 5-years after Mr.Kissinger's death, where all of his secret / undisclosed activities will be revealed...( Maybe lol )...

I dare say that we will be far more concerned with his other "activities" that be pursued during his appointment with government than Mr.Obama's birth Certificate.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

Rastus wrote:
Whoa !!!

Geez fellas...All you need for starters is 10-K to arrange an appointment with "Kissinger & Associates"...And then "X" amount of dollars there-after for the information that you seek...

Of course, it will be much cheaper & simpler to sit-out the 5-years after Mr.Kissinger's death, where all of his secret / undisclosed activities will be revealed...( Maybe lol )...

I dare say that we will be far more concerned with his other "activities" that be pursued during his appointment with government than Mr.Obama's birth Certificate.

I honestly do not give a fuck about Obama's birth certificate, never did...

I think anyone who disputes his birth certificate can do so and it has nothing to do with the persons skin color...

People like Powerstroker have adopted this narrative that anything critical spoken about a person of color is rooted in racism and only being criticized because of their skin color...

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

Actually the term African American was not used until the mid 1980's none other than Jesse Jackson made the phrase popular...

in the early 1960's negro was the more popular term, and afro-american was the lesser used terminology, but African American would not have been used at all in 1961...

clarity101 · ABOVE AND BEYOND

im curious why NOW???

i was the main preacher on this subject years ago on dh!

where was everyone then?

does anyone recall what my final analysis was on this subject?

clarity101 · ABOVE AND BEYOND

the main thing about this is the fact that regardless of his fake birth certificate

why did he use the status of a foreign birth to gain $$$ for admission into

colleges and universities? he has NEVER admitted one way or another, he

just makes a joke of it.

then it was exposed that his mom was a pornographer for his gpa's best

friend Frank Marshall Davis (December 31, 1905 July 26, 1987) was an American journalist, poet, .... In his 1995 memoir Dreams from My Father, Barack Obama mentioned Frank, a friend in Hawaii of his maternal grandfather Stanley Dunham

Frank Marshall Davis: Obama's 'Communist mentor' s

Image result for obamas mother

-- Edited by clarity101 on Friday 19th of July 2019 02:57:03 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Rastus wrote:

I dare say that we will be far more concerned with his other "activities" that be pursued during his appointment with government than Mr.Obama's birth Certificate.

What did you have in mind? I can assure you 90% of the forum is all ears! lol

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

SELLC wrote:

Four Simple Questions from a NJ attorney that need to be answered...
1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes. So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is "African-American" when the term wasn't even used at that time ?
2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961 and lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father.
No big deal, Right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in
"Kenya, East Africa".
This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that
Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's
birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father
have been born in a country that did not yet Exist ?
Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British
East Africa Protectorate". (check it below)
http://en.wikipedia.org//K/en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Kenya%29
3. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed
place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".
This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were
called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity
Home", Respectively.
The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological
Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this
particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961
if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
(CHECK IT BELOW)
http://http/http/www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx
( http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-ch/about-us/default.aspx )
Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?
4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his father. He states
how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I'm not a math genius,
so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama's "birth certificate"
says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born.
That should have put his father's date of birth approximately 1936 - if
my math holds (Honest! I did that without a calculator!) Now we need
a non-revised history book - one that hasn't been altered to satisfy the
author's goals - to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and
1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest
stages of WW II his father wouldn't have been more than 9 years old.
Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter
the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes ?
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So, there you have it.... 4 simple questions from an attorney.
Are there ANY logical answers? You be the judge.
Here's what I would ultimately like to know. If the TRUTH ever comes
out, and it is decided that Obama was never eligible to be president,
what happens to all the laws he signed into being, and all the executive
orders he has issued?
Should they all be null and void? Most Americans would say YES.
For all you "anti-Fox News" folks, none of this information came from
Fox. All of it can be verified from legitimate sources (Wikipedia, the
Kapiolani hospital website itself, and a good history book, as noted
herein). It is very easy for someone to check all this out.
Very truly yours,
RICHARD R. SILVERLIEB
Attorney at Law
354 Eisenhower Parkway
Livingston, NJ 07039
"A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous
than a gun in the hands of 200 million law-abiding citizens."

Answer all four in one word. FAKE

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
The Hawaii director of vital records at the time earned awards for being so good at his job.

I have shown you the birth announcement, are you suggesting that a fake birth announcement was made 50 years before he would ever become president?
Because damn, that's an awfully long conspiracy and a whole lot of things would have to go right to pull it off and make him president 50 years later. It would have been easier just to actually give birth to the dude in the US at that point huh?

And the lady in Ha that proved it was a fake is DEAD. Everyone else on the plane survived except her. Down at sea.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

SELLC wrote:
Um, here is the exact paragraph that you mention from Wiki,
The European and Arab presence in Mombasa dates to the Early Modern period, but European exploration of the interior began only in the 19th century. The British Empire established the East Africa Protectorate in 1895, from 1920 known as the Kenya Colony.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kenya
There is no citation to any of this, in fact it looks like a paragraph that was just recently added! I am going to challenge this paragraph on Wiki and demand a citation!
Don't think for one minute that I want to believe this stuff is true, in fact I am hoping you can disprove all FOUR so I can sleep better tonight! Please, continue!

Wiki is no source, all user submitted. Changed such as Clinton being scrubbed off all Epstiens pages. About as reliable as MSM and snopes.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I agree, this birth certificate was manufactured after the fact!

There is just no way that it could be a copy of the original based on the verbiage alone.

That being said, it's scary to think how far down the rabbit hole this goes.

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

clarity101 wrote:
the main thing about this is the fact that regardless of his fake birth certificate
why did he use the status of a foreign birth to gain $$$ for admission into
colleges and universities? he has NEVER admitted one way or another, he
just makes a joke of it.
then it was exposed that his mom was a pornographer for his gpa's best
friend Frank Marshall Davis (December 31, 1905 July 26, 1987) was an American journalist, poet, .... In his 1995 memoir Dreams from My Father, Barack Obama mentioned Frank, a friend in Hawaii of his maternal grandfather Stanley Dunham

Frank Marshall Davis: Obama's 'Communist mentor' s

-- Edited by clarity101 on Friday 19th of July 2019 02:57:03 PM

Did anyone stop to sympathize with the possibility that his mom "had" to do these things to support him & the family ?...Perhaps she was surrounded by "Epstein" - like persons, & had no other choices in the matter ?....

So here we are prosecuting the son, of a mother who may have been forced into solicitations against her will...

Confuse...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Rastus wrote:

Did anyone stop to sympathize with the possibility that his mom "had" to do these things to support him & the family ?...Perhaps she was surrounded by "Epstein" - like persons, & had no other choices in the matter ?....
So here we are prosecuting the son, of a mother who may have been forced into solicitations against her will...
Confuse...

Uh... The only thing that would suggest is that Obama's dad was a deadbeat and his mom did not make good decisions... You know they say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
Rastus wrote:

I dare say that we will be far more concerned with his other "activities" that be pursued during his appointment with government than Mr.Obama's birth Certificate.

What did you have in mind? I can assure you 90% of the forum is all ears! lol

You don't know or have ever heard of Mr.Kissingers war-mongering, genocide activities & other covert scandals that he's led so many presidents into ?....

I'll see if I can find a link to an interesting documentary, but it won't make anyone feel like MAGA, quite the opposite.

Mr.Kissinger is one-of-many that sit "above" the POTUS, & guide them in hard decision making, & money making, at the expense of human lives, & hehind the backs of US-of-A citizens, & people of the world...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Worse than Rothschild?

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
Worse than Rothschild?

I guess it all depends on how you weigh-things-up...

Rothchild's over the centuries have had more calculated deceptions for-sure !

Mr.Kissinger may well have squeezed more in through a few shorter decades however

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Rastus wrote:

Did anyone stop to sympathize with the possibility that his mom "had" to do these things to support him & the family ?...Perhaps she was surrounded by "Epstein" - like persons, & had no other choices in the matter ?....
So here we are prosecuting the son, of a mother who may have been forced into solicitations against her will...
Confuse...

Or maybe she is just a whore like odumbo

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Here you go folks ! I'm hoping this is the film I have seen.

Enjoy ?....

www.youtube.com/watch

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Tuesday, April 24, 2012

President Obama Mother's (Fake) Nude Photos Resurface--Ann Dunham! (Graphic Picture Warning)

Ann Dunham -1960 Photo

Stanley Ann Dunham (1942-1995)

________________________

Unlike ignorance, STUPIDITY can't be fixed. Stupid people believe what they want to believe even in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

These following (fake) photos of Stanley Ann Dunham, President Barack Obama's mother, were first distributed on the Internet during the 2008 election cycle.

Now they're back for the 2012 elections and "the stupid" are embracing them once more and attaching whatever negativity they will to the President.

Discredited itself, the original website, "Discrediting Leftism", that originally published these photos (said to have been 'discovered' in Australia) has been taken down. But the pictures have remained and live again in the annals of disingenuous trash journalism.

Here they are:

(Note the shoes worn by the look-a-like model

in the photos. They were manufactured after

1995 after Ann Durham's death.)

A free-spirited, adventurous woman, Dr. Dunham may have posed nude at one time or another in her short life. But these top photos are not part of that collection, if one exists.

Ann Dunham was a respected and renowned anthropologist who studied Indonesian culture as it related to poor women in that country. She established a Micro-Credit program for these women to enhance and economically profit through their 'cottage industries' in the backward villages of Indonesia.

Dr. Dunham was married and divorced twice. Barack Obama II was the product of her first marriage. Ann Dunhan died at age 52 of Uterine cancer in 1995.

____________________________

Lenore Romney (1908-1998)

So what's next? Will we see a fake Lenore Romney, Mitt's mother, 'tits and ass' photos spread over the Internet? How about some nude photos of Barbara Bush?

Why the Hate? On both sides. Hate is getting in the way of America's progress. Is it not time to end it?

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 19th of July 2019 10:31:56 PM