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Post Info TOPIC: Ford's notorious DPS6 Dry Clutch Automatic shifted transmissions.
Did Ford go too far in calling the DPS6 transmission an "automatic" [2 vote(s)]

YES! It's a dry clutch transmission that is automatically shifted by the computer
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No, fuck em' if they can't take a joke
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I have no idea
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I don't drive Fords.
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Ford's notorious DPS6 Dry Clutch Automatic shifted transmissions.


PowerStroker recently brought up the notorious DPS6 tranmission in the off topic area so I figured I would bring my response to the Ford forums so that people could better understand this transmission along with the way it shifts.

Quote from off topic discussions,

Of course the REAL problem - the dry clutch automatic transmission. Everyone has heard about the issues with this transmission, and it's just like Ford to totally miscommunicate their message to the customer. Back in the start of the 6.0 Diesel days they told people they were buying "Maintaince Free" trucks, anything could be further from the truth when talking about a 6.0 or any diesel or even any ICE for that matter! I seen people driving them for 100k miles without ANY service, not even an oil change! Fords also fucked up when they told people they were getting automatic transmissions with their low displacement engines when the truth of the matter was they were getting old fashioned MANUAL dry clutch transmissions that were being shifted automatically by a computer. Sure the transmission itself is somewhat small and prone to other failures, including costly clutch replacements, but the way a dry clutch transmission drives is night and day different than that of a wet clutch automatic. But Fords needed the economy that a dry clutch delivers, so they did what they do... they lied to people telling them they were getting "Automatics" when really they were buying "Manual" transmissions that were automatically shifted. LOL! I shall require compensation from Ford Motor Company if you plan to share anything of what I have discribed in any of your spoon feeding schools or Ford meetings. Fuck them, and although you already knew this I don't feel they deserve to know why, even though they already know. I know that don't make sense, but I wanted to put it out there in "Ford" terms. LOL!!! We can both agree that putting turbos on everything is also a recipe for high service cost once the miles get up there, but they need the power as much as they need the efficiancy, so they do what they do. 

Due to the DPS6, if you want to buy "manual" transmission fluid (aka synchromesh) from Fords you will now have to pay almost $30 a quart. Suppose they had to make all that warranty money back reprograming the shift points and probably fucking up the transmissions even quicker by feathering the clutch electronically instead of just telling people, "Hey this is really a manual transmission that is being shifted by a computer and as such it will feel like a manual when driving it". 



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While the DPS6 internally is what one would find in a manual transmission. By virtue of it being clutched and shifted by a robot without driver intervention makes it an automatic.

Just like how an El Camino is considered a truck by virtue of it having a pickup bed, even though the rest of it is a car.

It's a shit transmission though, and is rightfully costing Ford hundreds of millions in warranty costs. Ford would have been much farther ahead by developing a nice CVT with a torque converter like Honda has. It's not like they don't know how. They actually had one in the mid 2000's on the Five Hundred that actually held up pretty well.



-- Edited by PowerStroker on Sunday 11th of April 2021 04:59:35 PM

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I could not find production numbers for the German CFT30 CVT that was made in Ohio, but they are VERY LOW. Many complained they were just too noisy and it wasn't the only option for transmissions for the D3 platform. I'm not a big five hundred guy, I did a little research prior to writing this, but most of my customers who had them seen well over 200,000 miles! I just don't recall if they had the CFT30 or the F21 six speed in them. 

All that being said, the fact is the DPS6 transmission is a manual transmission by all rights. Even a computer shifting automatically cannot change those drive feel attributes. I'm not really a big fan of the CVT transmission either, but I have driven them in many different vehicles and I don't care for the way they feel. The easiest way to describe a CVT transmission is two cones that placed in opposite orientation will ride up and down themselves to achieve the best ratio. I guess in my experence there is a more linear feel to acceleration in an automobile, like driving a wet clutch automatic but without feeling any of the shifts more or less, but I am positive this design is a lot less efficient than a manual, shifted automatically or not. Fords needed power and efficiency, so they did the unthinkable and came out with the DPS6!

Had Ford's just used better advertising in saying it was a revolutonary "Manual" transmission that was electronically shifted by a computer a lot of people could have related to why the drive feel attributes were anything but that of a wet clutch automatic. I think the entire DPS6 would have been more accepted by people with the understanding that, "Hey this thing might roll backwards on an incline like an manual if I don't keep my foot on the brake", they might have been more forgiving of the harshness of the shifts and the odd low speed actuation of the dry cluch... in other words, it just would have made more sense to most drivers, at least the ones who have driven a manual at some point in their life. Now days finding a young person who actually knows how to drive a manual is getting pretty slim.

But it is what it is... No one can deny there isn't a double standard when it comes to older manufactures like Ford, GM, or Chrysler as it pertains to releasing something technologically advanced to the market, whereas newer companies like Tesla and the likes are often given a massive pass when their technologically advanced product offerings crap the bed.

The DPS6 transmission was a good idea, albeit a little misunderstood for most people. Fords could have made the DPS6 into a cool marketing breakthrough had they just let people know what they were getting. Fords can still turn it around, they always do.



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And you are right about the torque converter having a big hand in how smooth an automatic wet clutch is compared to a dry clutch. But that just further proves my point while deflating yours and Ford Motor Company's. 

I have some perverted analogies that come to mind, but I'll just save them for another time and the private forum. LOL



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I have no idea. Dry Clutch A/T's confuse me.

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