READ MY LIPS POWERSTROKER -- proving you're a citizen and having ID is not a TAX! It's a responsibility! 

SELLC wrote:

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Sad times when PowerStroker is sticking up for Mitch! I think we need to know who on the Senate is going to break ranks on this issue so we can vote them out in the next mid-terms!

The Save Act is common sense policy! People like Bernie Sanders and Gavin Newscum saying they can't find their birth certificates? I'm calling BULLSH!T!

I recently had to produce my birth certificate AND Social Security card to obtain a "real ID" -- as if the one I had for the last 34 years wasn't "real" enough to pass TSA muster for in country air travel!

I HAVE ZERO COMPASSION AT THIS POINT FOR PEOPLE NOT WILLING TO OBTAIN THEIR DOCUMENTS! I had to jump through all kinds of hoops to get my documents in order to obtain my Real ID!

If people can't be an adult and obtain their vital records -- they have no business voting! Furthermore, if they don't have documents to prove citizenship -- they shouldn't be voting! Period!

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No, I think the current state of Minnesota is a very good example of the problem.

Feel sorry for the kids in Minnesota! No wonder he self castrated! Who would want their kids subjected to that lunacy? 

Putting tampons and litter boxes in the bathrooms was the last straw for me... but by that time my kids only had a few years left in public school so we suffered through it.

Shawnee, what PowerStroker FAILS to understand is that a birth certificate AND Social Security card are issued to the parents after birth.

If they misplace, wore out or even lost their originals -- that's not anyones fault but their own! They must replace them!

Replacing them is EASY! But only if you are a natural born citizen! You just go to the county records department that the hospital you were born in resides and you can get your birth certificate!

The same holds true for your Social Security card! You can visit almost any branch to get a replacement card! Just call the Social Security number and they will get you an appointment!

If you don't like the time it takes to obtain these documents, I'd suggest not losing them or having deadbeat parents. In either case these documents are still required and you WILL need them! 

The cost to replace your documents in either case is the same -- YOUR PROBLEM! No different than if you misplaced your License or other ID! There is a fee to replace and or renew them!

IT'S NOT A POLL TAX!

What PowerStroker is trying to suggest, which is the cost and time involved in "replacing" your birth certificate or Social Security card is some sort of "poll tax" is really nothing more than a COP OUT! It's laughable because clearly it's just more Democrat BS!

We have already been over this whole marriage issue! Brandee has able to get an "Enhanced License" without issue using her original birth certificate and an original copy of her marriage certificate -- along with her old "regular, non-enhanced" drivers license. 

What you suggest is an OUTRIGHT LIE being circulated by Democrats! But you have no problems lying, seeings how you all like to cheat elections by selling out your own country to illegal aliens. You act like the whole nation isn't on to your scam and the scary part is -- you live in Minnesota! Ground zero for the grift! The gull you have.

It used to be back in my days that you were REQUIRED to be a United States citizen to obtain a regular drivers license... you had to show your birth certificate, social security card and some bills to prove your current address! It wasn't until you Democrats started passing your own State level laws that would see people being able to obtain a drivers license without such basic vetting. There are many reported instances of Democrat States issuing CDL's with no name whatsoever! Thus, a Federal "Real ID" requirement came into necessity after 9/11 to ensure people getting on planes were who they actually said they were. Think about that for a minute, PowerStroker! Your party has caused this mess! Because people who shouldn't have been able to get a drivers license or ID, are in fact given State ID that has allowed them to also use said ID to vote in elections they most certainly weren't qualified to partake in -- at least at the Federal level! People who have cheated these once were protections using State ID's in liberal States SHOULD BE PURGED FROM VOTER ROLLS! What the heck is wrong with you? An illegal or a non-citizen who skirted such protections should not be "grandfathered" any right to illegally voting! Furthermore, registering to vote is SIMPLE providing you have the right to vote! Checking your status is just as easy also!

What you and your party want is to keep allowing non-citizens and illegals to keep voting! And that is just not acceptable! It's an outright national security risk! It's pure insanity! 

How can you even type this crap ^^^ with a straight face?

You live in Minnesota! Ground zero for breaking how serious this problem with election integrity has become -- how deep it runs and how badly we are being taken advantage of!

When it comes to making US elections iron clad secure you say "Why bother, it's an inconvenience!"... meanwhile when it comes to Iran invading our embassy and killing Americans back in 1979 you'll fight tooth and nail to protect Iran!

If you can't see this, get help PowerStroker! I'm telling you this as a friend! You may have contracted the Woke Mind Virus and I fear it has metastasized into TDS!

WOW!

Are you fooking BLIND? Or do you just refuse to see what is going on right in front of your face!

Your state has been national news for months now!

^^^ definition of gaslighting ^^^

Maybe not, but you can bet your sweet ass they voted Democrat!

Guess it's time we find out just what kind of people are running the polls in these Somalian enclaves there in Minnesota!

Pass the Save Act and make elections trustworthy again so we can finally say we are doing EVERYTHING to put this issue behind us!

SELLC wrote:

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Shawnee, what PowerStroker FAILS to understand is that a birth certificate AND Social Security card are issued to the parents after birth.

If they misplace, wore out or even lost their originals -- that's not anyones fault but their own! They must replace them!

Replacing them is EASY! But only if you are a natural born citizen! You just go to the county records department that the hospital you were born in resides and you can get your birth certificate!

The same holds true for your Social Security card! You can visit almost any branch to get a replacement card! Just call the Social Security number and they will get you an appointment!

If you don't like the time it takes to obtain these documents, I'd suggest not losing them or having deadbeat parents. In either case these documents are still required and you WILL need them! 

The cost to replace your documents in either case is the same -- YOUR PROBLEM! No different than if you misplaced your License or other ID! There is a fee to replace and or renew them!

IT'S NOT A POLL TAX!

What PowerStroker is trying to suggest, which is the cost and time involved in "replacing" your birth certificate or Social Security card is some sort of "poll tax" is really nothing more than a COP OUT! It's laughable because clearly it's just more Democrat BS!

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 No, it's not a poll tax. Libs deflect, distort reality. Charging you to enter the poll would be. He whined about married names. Bring BC, DL and Marriage cert fixes it. Too lazy, don't vote. 

Specifically in the legislative language, I'm concerned about this part of section 2: 

"(1) in subsection (a)(1), by striking Each State motor vehicle driver's license application and inserting Subject to the requirements under section 8(j), each State motor vehicle driver's license application;

Here is my concern:

"Meanwhile, voting rights advocate groups say the SAVE Act may prevent U.S. citizens from registering to vote by raising unnecessary barriers. A 2023 survey conducted by the Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan law and policy institute, and other groups found that over 9% of voting-age American citizens do not have easy access to documents that prove their citizenship, including a passport, birth certificate or naturalization certificate.

That percentage was slightly higher 11% for Americans who did not identify as white. The survey defined easy access as being able to quickly find such documents if people had to show it tomorrow.

The Brennan Center has also warned that people who have changed their name, such as married women, may be blocked from registering to vote because of discrepancies between their ID and birth certificate."

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/02/will-save-act-prevent-married-women-from-registering-to-vote/

Are you married PowerStroker?

Well if you were married you would know that changing your name legally in the case of marriage does not require a Judge or Court visit...

It is simply taking your birth certificate down to your local Social Security office with your marriage license and having it changed!

That's it!

Then once it's changed you go down to your Secretary of State (or DMV) and they will change your license!

Your birth certificate NEVER changes (unless you're Obama)... it will always contain your birth name and sex AT BIRTH.

Read that above ^^^^ 10 times, perhaps it could help you in other areas of your life -- like sexual orientation disorders.

Are you fooking kidding me PowerStroker?

Does your entire premise of this issue boil down to people just being too lazy to produce required and important vital records?

GTFOH!

You don't have to get a drivers license, but you can't legally drive if you don't!

You don't have to get a marriage license, but you can't legally be wed if you don't!

You don't have to register to vote, but you can't legally vote if you don't!

Do you see a pattern here PowerStroker? Getting your vital records, valid state ID and Social Security card is VERY easy if you're here legally! Sure there are some hoops, but that is only if you lost your original birth records!

And you know whose fault that is? 

Nowhere in the constitution does it say illegals and non-citizens have a right to vote!

Yes, citizens have a right to vote -- but they must prove their identity and qualifications!

This is SIMPLE if you have a RealID and have registered to vote! 

Some States don't even require ID to vote! Do you want to take a guess at what States those are?

What we're saying is that's BS! At least on a federal level you must be registered and show valid ID to cast a ballot!

It's very-very simple! A majority of Americans who are responsible are not going to side with you on this!

Do you have a Real ID, PowerStroker? What about a Social Security card and official birth certificate with a raised seal from a credible state agency?

What would you do if your necessary paperwork was lost, stolen, or the dog ate them?

Well it better be if they want to vote!

No it's not! Disabled and poor people need to have the "necessary paperwork" (as you call it) too! And not just for elections!

This is just more of your liberal BS! 

A poor person, and even a disabled person would still need to show "Real ID" to get on a plane! 

There really is no excuse! NONE!

Just because someone is disabled doesn't mean we should allow Democrats to take advantage of them!

A majority of them don't even care to vote, but you people... you'll go pick them up, give them a bottle of booze and a carton of cigarettes to get on a bus and vote. 

On the way to said polling stations you probably fill their heads with liberal BS lies and videos. Most of them are usually so out of it you only hope they can remember what they were told 10 minutes ago!

Then you guys got a taste of mail in ballots, where you could ensure they voted properly by filling them out for them! And you'd save on the bus rental!

This is BS! I've had to re-count ballots before in Detroit -- I know what the ballots look like that are filled out in districts with heavy-handed Democrat extortion -- this was BEFORE mail in ballots for all after COVID.

Yeah... look at how liberal Oregon is! 

They may have been doing it for awhile, but should the save act pass they won't be doing it anymore! At least for Federal portions of the ballot! 

And that is the way I think it should be! If you don't care enough to vote on Election Day in person, you really aught not be voting anyway! 

Kids get the day off school in most big elections, people volunteer their time to run the polls -- it's a big deal! Mail in voting for anyone other than deployed military is really all that should be allowed without some hoops.