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I can't get over the brainwashing people State-side are subjected to...

Simply amazing...

Read through this article, to snap you out of the dream, & back into reality lol ! ( It's a re-post from above, but it seems that folks forget quickly )...

www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/26/the-united-states-specializes-in-exaggerating-the-threat/


US media, controlled by 3 letter agencies, mockingbird, ARE THE THREAT.

Yes the brainwashing is terrible, but NOT ALL OF US. Off to the gunshops, I'll get to a few posts soon. One on Ukraine nazis, the white hat alliance, who is it, what will they accomplish. There is NO threat of WW3, no threat of nuc war, just false flags and distractions.

Tranny shooter was another distraction, false flag. Pics of her on the ground wearing 2 entirely different types sneakers, no blood on her at all. Think.

Sandy Hook memorial on the dead students was completed 2 days before it happened.

Uvalde. Funny, not a single obit, NONE had birth certs.

Vegas was a hit on Bin Salmon.

Now the fake indictment is the new distraction, along with a chemical spill every other day. Train derailments every day. 



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There is NO threat of WW-III, no threat of nuclear war, just false flags and distractions.
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+1 here Sir !

( One may even think that the Military Corporate Industrial Complex is clearing out old-stock-warehouse items, to make way for new ones, especially with the near 1-Trillion Dollar DoD budget this year )...

*(To imagine a quote from Uncle Sam at the moment, on behalf of AUKUS & 5-Eye's )....

"Sell, sell, sell / fire, fire, fire-away !!! Use everything all up, new stocks coming soon"...

Too bad for all the folks in Europe ( & possibly State-side ) breathing-in all that D.U.

But business is business.

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Shawnee said....

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There is NO threat of WW-III, no threat of nuclear war, just false flags and distractions.
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+1 here Sir !

( One may even think that the Military Corporate Industrial Complex is clearing out old-stock-warehouse items, to make way for new ones, especially with the near 1-Trillion Dollar DoD budget this year )...

*(To imagine a quote from Uncle Sam at the moment, on behalf of AUKUS & 5-Eye's )....

"Sell, sell, sell / fire, fire, fire-away !!! Use everything all up, new stocks coming soon"...

Too bad for all the folks in Europe ( & possibly State-side ) breathing-in all that D.U.

But business is business.


 Using up that depleted uranium ammo isn't such a good idea.



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Now the fake indictment is the new distraction, along with a chemical spill every other day. Train derailments every day. 

 

Yes, I was just going to say this indictment is a MAJOR distraction to EVERYTHING... Putin get's a warrant out for his arrest and Trump is like "Hold my beer" and just did the perp walk and was processed by an over-reaching NY State court!

And I too have been VERY suspicious of all these train derailments lately! Too many! Something is nefarious!

Also, it's probably best if we don't spread around any depleted uranium if it can be avoided... but IIRC, Russia has been and currently is using DU rounds and that don't seem to bother anyone. Maybe they should not?



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The DU rounds turn to a very harmful powder. Think anyone cares? They are still chemtrailing us with aluminum and barium. Bush jr started it, "operation indigo skyfold" Trump ended it, well it's baaaack. 10,000,000 tons of aluminum powder on us so far. Element desig of Barium is Ba, Alum is Al. What's that spell? Baal

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Are you talking about cloud seeding? It's big business in the crop states! Colorado / Nebraska really take it to another level!



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So here's something about those disgraceful DU weapons...

beyondnuclear.org/depleted-uranium-weapons-to-ukraine/

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The war-machine just keeps turning & turning...

www.counterpunch.org/2023/04/12/the-war-machine-keeps-turning/



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I must admit... Obama being banned from Russia does give him an almost 2Pac "Gangsta" image...



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I must admit... Obama being banned from Russia does give him an almost 2Pac "Gangsta" image...


 

Gangsta image ???...Maybe...

 

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Do people on this earth even exist anymore who could handle carving a new face into Mount Rushmore? Some say safety regulations alone would prevent anything like it from being done in the future...

Such a shame... the pussification of America! 

But if it keeps Obama's face off the side of Mount Rushmore, I guess it's for the better!



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Omamas image is already carved at rushmore. It's all the scrap shit at the bottom.

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Lindsey Graham has challenged Putin to appear at the Hague to see who has an arrest warrant out on them...

I wonder if Putin is gonna show up?



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Here's good article about the war, which is essentially a rewrite of a letter sent of to your gov't. And following is a quote taken from it regarding NATO missiles & the lies, & why this war was deliberate...( Though I understand completely that some here won't get it, which is tragic ).


www.counterpunch.org/2023/06/09/a-war-long-wanted-diplomatic-malpractice-in-ukraine/


qt." In the wake of the Cold War, US and Western European leaders made assurances to Soviet and then Russian leaders that NATO would not expand toward Russias borders. there would be no extension of NATO one inch to the east was what US Secretary of State James Baker promised Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990. Similar assurances from other US leaders, as well as from British, German and French leaders, throughout the 1990s form the foundation for the Russian argument of being double-crossed by NATOs eastward expansion ".



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And we would have kept to that agreement. But then Putin attacked a neighboring democracy, now he's going to end up with NATO surrounding him on all sides except China.

Just had to learn the hard way didn't he?

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And we would have kept to that agreement. But then Putin attacked a neighboring democracy, now he's going to end up with NATO surrounding him on all sides except China.

Just had to learn the hard way didn't he?


 

Hmmm...

I'll reply by using another quote from the attachment, since it was written by someone who lives there...(And they know better, because they're living through the war day-to-day, not assessing via corrupted media).

 

qt."( Rather), this essay seeks to communicate that this war was not unprovoked and that the actions of the US and NATO over decades led to a war of choice between the US, NATO, Ukraine and Russia. A war long wanted by megalomaniacs and war profiteers in DC, London, Brussels, Kyv and Moscow became realized in February 2022".

 

And...

 

qt. "The direct cause of the current inter-state war in Ukraine is Russias invasion, but Americas relentless expansion of NATO up to Russias borders provoked the attack. Since at least 2007, Russia repeatedly warned NATOs armed forces on Russian borders, especially Ukraine, were intolerable just as Russian forces in Mexico or Canada would be intolerable to the US now or as Russian missiles in Cuba were in 1962. Coupled with these provocations has been an American militarized foreign policy characterized by unilateralism, regime change and preemptive war. This has ensured a reality since the end of the Cold War of confrontation and slaughter throughout the world".



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Well, he's just going to have to learn to tolerate it then.

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Well, he's just going to have to learn to tolerate it then.


 

PowerStroker...He has no choice, since an illegal war was provoked by the ( we'll call it ) NATO ( AUKUS / 5-Eyes) countries...

 

One would do well to remind oneself of the wise words of the late, great, & dearly missed 5-Star General & POTUS Mr.Eisenhower...Especially since he was in office when the "Cabal" took-over, & started their reign in a more open capacity...It appears no one today understands the message / forewarning Mr.Eisenhower gave.

 

 



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It's a whole new world today Rastus...

But I'll give Eisenhower this, I been in the game since 1975 and so much has changed since then -- but it's still the same game!



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qt. "The direct cause of the current inter-state war in Ukraine is Russias invasion, but Americas relentless expansion of NATO up to Russias borders provoked the attack. Since at least 2007, Russia repeatedly warned NATOs armed forces on Russian borders, especially Ukraine, were intolerable just as Russian forces in Mexico or Canada would be intolerable to the US now or as Russian missiles in Cuba were in 1962. Coupled with these provocations has been an American militarized foreign policy characterized by unilateralism, regime change and preemptive war. This has ensured a reality since the end of the Cold War of confrontation and slaughter throughout the world".

 

Read ANY contract law! Russia and the United States cannot make an agreement that invalidates the rights of non-partisipants of said agreement. 

When Russia placed missles in Cuba we didn't go over there and invade Cuba! We took it up with Russia and blackballed Cuba from all trade!

Rastus you're just a fool if you think anyone but Putin is responsible for invading Ukraine! There is NO justification for the genocide that has gone on under Puntin's long and drawn out slaughter of innocents! 

Why won't you address the issue of Putin changing the laws to ensure he stayed in power longer than legally allowed!? So what you're saying is Putin following his own countries laws, or even NATO contracts isn't something that Putin has to... Putin can just do whatever he want's and only other people have to abide by laws and contracts? Is that the way of it Rastus? Because I am pretty sure Putin was termed out LONG AGO! And had Putin respected his own countries laws he wouldn't even be in power right now! Putin has gotten to the point that Russia is no longer a country! He thinks Russia IS HIS OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY, and all the people living there, their families and children are his pawns! 

I'll be damned if I don't call you out as the biggest shit-for-brains on the forum for posting things that are as obtuse and idiotic as what you have suggested! It would be like a President in the United States changing the laws to run for a third term! Putin clinging to power as he has makes him a tyrant! He shouldn't even be in power right now if it weren't for him changing the laws to prevent another USSR! And you sit here like a smug little shit saying that WE violated some NATO rules? Give me a break! 

In Putin's tyrant term he has managed to ERASE all the good work of Gorbachev, and has thrust his country and people into the arms of Communist China! 

Russia under Putin's tyrant leadership might as well go back to their old flag!

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You need to address this issue about Putin being in power for longer than his countries constituion provied for, and his changing of said laws to circumvent term limits set up to prevent just this sort of power thrusty, mad-dog mentality! 

Remeber when Putin LIED to the world and said his invasion of Ukraine was just a "Special Opperation" and not a "War"? Do you remember that Rastus? Well it's clear his special opperation was a failure...

I just don't see anything good from Tyrant Putin being allowed to stay in power beyond the limits... look at what he has done to his people! Putin can't even travel outside of Russia without risk of being arrested!

If Putin flew to Australia he would be arrested! What the hell is wrong with you Rastus? Are you banned from Austraila too? If so it would explain a lot!

 



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And I might add, Rastus... that Putin claims to be putting nuclear missles in Belarus in July!

Never mind the dude in charge there in Belarus is rumored to be just getting over a serious poisoning... 

But what does that matter... the guy who objected to Putin extending his term beyond the statutory maximum at the time had either a piano or a safe somehow fall on his head... check it out if you like... they might not report that stuff on counterpunch!

 



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OMG...

If the US-of-A via NATO didn't place their missiles around Russia, which y'all said you wouldn't, there'd be no war.

Oh, btw, China is in Cuba doing the same thing as we speak, though I think they're saying it's surveillance equipment or similar.

This is what happens when you turn from peace-keepers into a war-mongering nation Stellar.

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Oh, I see... no little line item and numberd response for that line of questioning above, huh?

So you're banned from the mainland, Rastus? Is that the way of it?



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1. Oh, I see... no little line item and numbered response for that line of questioning above, huh?

2. So you're banned from the mainland, Rastus? Is that the way of it?


 

R1. I can only repeat myself 100-or-more-times Stellar, before I even get sick of doing-it again & again...People like Shawnee are wiser, where they post once, short & sweet, & then grab the pop-corn & burbon, & watch the fun...

R2. Even on this little island, the Police & politicians are corrupted to the core, but it's far worse on the mainland...I choose to stay here simply because my home state of Victoria seemed to be the beta-testing-station for the world-wide COrona VIrus Disease 2019 enforcement's...I was so disappointed with the way people were treated, I couldn't give a rats-ass about the gov't there...They need to see what happened in Minnesota & learn imo.



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Stellar007 wrote:

1. Oh, I see... no little line item and numbered response for that line of questioning above, huh?

2. So you're banned from the mainland, Rastus? Is that the way of it?


 

R1. I can only repeat myself 100-or-more-times Stellar, before I even get sick of doing-it again & again...People like Shawnee are wiser, where they post once, short & sweet, & then grab the pop-corn & burbon, & watch the fun...

R2. Even on this little island, the Police & politicians are corrupted to the core, but it's far worse on the mainland...I choose to stay here simply because my home state of Victoria seemed to be the beta-testing-station for the world-wide COrona VIrus Disease 2019 enforcement's...I was so disappointed with the way people were treated, I couldn't give a rats-ass about the gov't there...They need to see what happened in Minnesota & learn imo.


 

A1. Shawnee might have his moments... but he's still an American! He's is as good as some, better than most... you say short and sweet, but really... it's ben DECADES we been in these forums! Lot's of Scotch and Marlboro's! And yes, it's fun... 

A2. I don't even know what "little island" that is exactly, but it would seem you left somewhere under a cloud... Minnesota? That's a long way from Transylvania! 



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qt. " I don't even know what "little island" that is exactly, but it would seem you left somewhere under a cloud...Minnesota ? That's a long way from Transylvania " !
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And it's a long way from Salem too yo !




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So what does this mean when we have a mercenary group about to take over a nuclear country, all the while, said nuclear country has nukes in a little shit-hole country, with a shit head President like Belarus? 

Makes me wonder if NATO needs to rush in there before we have a mercenary group like Wagner in control of a nuclear country! It's clear that Putin's time in power is fleeting! Even Putin's own countrymen are tired of the abuse of power from Putin as Russia sinks further.

Anyone have any thoughts or predictions on these recent revelations?

The word is that Putin has fled the country! But we all know Putin has an international arrest warrent out on him! So this could get ugly!



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Me thinks me knows where that $6.2 billion dollar accounting error was spent!



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Wagner dude backs off on the march to Moscow... unless this was another slight of hand, dude might as well go down trying to remove Putin, because otherwise Putin is gonna have him killed. 

Mark my words.



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Oh, I think their friendship is over now, and one of Putin's operatives in Belarus will surely slip some lethal and untraceable isotope in his drink... Or he'll mysteriously fall off the 15th story of a building by "accident" as so many of Putin's critics do.

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So this is an awesome article imo, that brings-us-up-to-speed regarding the war. It covers a lot of bases, & so links a lot-of-things-together...


www.counterpunch.org/2023/06/30/america-has-just-destroyed-a-great-empire/

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It's simple evolution Rastus, only the strong will survive, and Russia ain't strong.

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Russia actually is quite strong imo, & the "elite" have always ensured that it had similar weaponry to your country, so as to even-out the stakes on the war.

And you both have / had ET's in DUMB's, & have been reverse-engineering the technology for decades.

The truth is starting to really flow now, & just watch how things transpire over the next 6-months even in the "fake media" you guys watch. Lots of juicy UFO / ET disclosure occurring, that will bring the day closer to when everyone can meet & greet face-to-face with them.

And when that happens, no more wars will be possible. This war in Russia is sadly an emptying-of-all-weapons, so as to restock on new ones. And it may well be the last war too.

Once everyone knows & accepts the ET's & our real history, there will be no turning back to wars, & it's unlikely we'll even have a monetary system in place.

There's good free books to read that I've linked-up in the UFO thread, if anyone wants a heads-up on what to expect.

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I don't want to sound like a pessimist, but you been saying the same thing for years about Nuke plants and all I see them doing is opening up new ones all over the country and re-comissoninig closed reacotrs or extending the leases on older ones still running!

Really the world does not know what the USA has... The USA didn't have to show anyone anything until WWII!

I should also note the movie Oppenheimer is due out in theaters this July... if that's not interesting enough for you, Barbie is being released the same day.

Russia is Russia... I'm not one bit envious of Snowden or Steven Segal, or anyone else who wants to live there.

If Russia was as strong or smart as you suggest Rastus, this war would have been over by now and Zelenskyy captured or killed long before he could network with the rest of the world for all the aid he has gotten!

Personally I think Ukraine should have to re-emburse us for the aid, but how the hell they going to do that in the middle of a war with Russia? And then after the war is over Ukraine will just get chummy with Russia again and stiff us on re-payment. I think this back and fourth has been going on for quite some time now, this is just the first time Russia has moved on Ukraine is all... 



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It took us several Trillion dollars to win in Iraq. All we had to do was throw $40 Billion worth of expiring off the shelf military hardware to the Ukranians, and they seem well on their way to pushing what remains of the Russian army back across their borders. Just imagine if we sent a couple of drunk US Marines with pointy sticks, we'd probably raise our flag over the Kremlin and occupy Russia for decades.

We don't need or even want Ukraine to reimburse us. They have shown dictators across the globe what happens when a hostile power invades a democracy. This example would be a bargain at 20 times the price. Especially if China is paying attention and rethinking their plans for Taiwan as a result.

Have you even seen the recent stats regarding how much hardware Russia has lost in this deal. When we're talking Thousands of tanks, Hundreds of planes, and a fucking Naval flag ship, this has been a ridiculously cheap investment for the US. The 2nd place military power on the planet is getting reduced to rubble for pennies on the dollar. And why is this you may ask, because democracy is worth fighting for, fascist authoritarian dictatorships aren't. If Russia were a democracy, first of all they wouldn't pull this crap, and second, their soldiers would actually fight.

When conservative senator Lindsey Graham says this is the best money we have ever spent, and I really can't dispute him, then worrying about financial reimbursement probably isn't necessary.

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You guys are way-caught-up in the bollox...Watch Shawnee's link to Galen Winsor & his testimony. It agrees with many that the US-of-A gave Russia / USSR nuclear capability back in the late 1940's...And I've already posted great testimony from Carol Rosin a few times, where in the 1970's she was letting us know about the wars planned that are happening now.

All this to say, is that we're living in a contrived world, that's changing dramatically...

The bad-guys are gone, we're only playing-out the epilogue...Lots of shyte to come, but it's all for the better future to come.

There's well over 300 massive ET craft in our Solar System as we speak, watching us...Some of these craft are over 800-miles in diameter... We've been liberated, & it's the death-throws of the "dark-side" being played out now.

Better things to look forward too, that's for sure.

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Well it's like I said, this is the first time Russia has moved on Ukraine like this, so perhaps there will never again be a back and fourth after all this bloodshed. 

Honestly I don't even think a new leader in Russia is going to repair the damage done to relations between Russia and Ukraine... but then again, look at Japan and the USA's relationship since WWII...

No doubt Russia has nukes, and in a nuclear war nobody wins! But as far as Russia's ground game, I'd have to agree with PowerStroker! They have lost a lot, and I'm none to impressed.



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1. Well it's like I said, this is the first time Russia has moved on Ukraine like this, so perhaps there will never again be a back and fourth after all this bloodshed. 

2. Honestly I don't even think a new leader in Russia is going to repair the damage done to relations between Russia and Ukraine... but then again, look at Japan and the USA's relationship since WWII...

3. No doubt Russia has nukes, and in a nuclear war nobody wins! But as far as Russia's ground game, I'd have to agree with PowerStroker! They have lost a lot, and I'm none to impressed.



-- Edited by SELLC on Sunday 2nd of July 2023 09:21:27 PM


 

R1. The Ukraine was annexed by the USSR for years, & then "freed" in the 1990's when the USSR became Russia once again. The main issue with this war was the white-supremacist-Nazi infiltration into the Ukraine gov't, & the NATO missiles that were illegally placed. There's also a desert-like National Park above the main target city in the Ukraine, that has sea-port access. I've forgotten its name but it may be Eupatoria. It's understood by many, that a Space-Craft lies under the sands of this National Park, & everyone wants to get at it first, for speculative reasons.

R2. And don't forget Stellar, Russia was an ally in WW-II, not an enemy. They became the enemy after Germany's senior scientists were taken to the US-of-A under operation "Paper-clip" as guided by Allen Dulles. So advanced were the Germans in their space technologies...Everything is about UFO's & the ET's my friend.

R3. This is a contrived & staged war, for lots of reasons apart from money, that I've again indicated above.



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Somebody has been watching RT.

If Nazis truly took over the Ukranian government, we wouldn't send them weapons. Any non Russia based sources making the same claim?



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Here you go PowerStroker...Here's a few quotes first-up, followed by a link to the article, & there's plenty of articles...


qt."That there is a not insignificant neo-Nazi component in the Ukrainian political scene shouldnt be denied. Nor can it be refused this was given large and visible expression in proportion to its size, mobilizing against the Russians in 2014 and again in 2022. The notorious Azov regiment, formed in 2014 (Azov battalion) in order to battle pro-Russian forces in the Donbass War, is a group that has flaunted neo-Nazi symbolism through the use of swastikas and other fascist imagery. And from within a much broader set of popular protests, one might well expect an ultra-nationalist, ultra-right wing tendency to flare up, especially in the context of a foreign invasion that is certain to provoke a great swell of patriotic sentiment. At the same time, however, one should remember that the Azov regiment is estimated to have from 900-2500 members. The Ukrainian military as a whole, including soldiers, border guards and the National Guard numbers over 300,000. The Azov regiment, therefore, constitutes a remarkably small percentage in the overall balance of forces".

"The logic is once again simple and crude in its outline; the US wants the Russians out of Ukraine in terms of their own imperial interests, you want the Russians out of Ukraine; ergo, you must be in favour of US imperialism. Ive lost count of times that I have been told that Im a supporter of US government or in the pay of the CIA (like they would have me), or that I have swallowed wholesale the lies of the globalists. This last one, by the way, comes up more and more frequently, and it is perhaps no great coincidence. Naturally, if the only binaries are those that open up between great state actors, and if the majority of people on the ground are mere dupes then it becomes that much easier for the anti-imperialist position to coalesce into the conspiratorial one, for the conspiracy theory works to condense and merge the array of state actors from above into a single transcendental power the globalists, the New World Order and so on. In the same moment, the power of the majority of ordinary people is reduced to nowt, in as much as they become the mere empty-headed playthings of the entity behind the curtain, the one pulling the strings".

www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/02/267301/



-- Edited by Rastus on Monday 3rd of July 2023 09:22:30 PM

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Is Zelenskyy a Nazi?

We have plenty of neo-Nazis right here in the US, and the ones that voted, voted for Trump. In fact, per capita I'll bet we have significantly more of them than Ukraine ever thought of having. Why didn't Putin invade us if de-Nazification is really his goal?

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1. Is Zelenskyy a Nazi?

2. We have plenty of neo-Nazis right here in the US, and the ones that voted, voted for Trump. In fact, per capita I'll bet we have significantly more of them than Ukraine ever thought of having.

3.Why didn't Putin invade us if de-Nazification is really his goal?


 

R1. Who really knows ??? A puppet for sure regardless...

R2. Sorry about that sad-state-of-affairs...Apparently we have them here too, & in numbers also.

R3. Putin is still a puppet too, though a powerful one. He's ultimately playing a game on behalf of the "cabal", that's in its death-throws...

 

Here's some more quotes from the same article...

 

qt."Most people, I think, share this sensibility. They understand we are dealing with a vastly powerful country and a tyrannical dictator at its head, reigning down fire on a smaller country in a violent attempt to occupy and annex it.  In England, where I live, it is quite common to see images of the Ukrainian flag adorning cars or houses as an expression of solidarity.  I appreciate that some of this will inevitably be an expression of anti-Russian prejudice channelled through bellicose British patriotism.  There are deep seams of that to be mined here in a post-Brexit, post-empire UK, for sure.  Russia is a country that our politicians are forever urging us to revile while allowing the financial wares of its billionaire oligarchy and those connected with it to fill the coffers of the Conservative and Labour parties alike.  Not to mention the grip that Russian finance has on London and the elite property market there".

"In this account, then, the poles become reversed; it is no longer the case that Russia is enacting a violent and bloody war of occupation in fact it turns out that the more diminutive Ukraine is the real threat here, and it is the Russians who are acting in terms of self-defence.  The US and NATO, having progressively encircled Russian territory for years, are looking to infiltrate Ukraine, to ensure it becomes a member of NATO, and thus fortify the power levelled against Russia.  Many of these accounts argue that the Euromaidan protests of 2013 which eventually led to the overthrow of the then president Viktor Yanukovych were simply orchestrated by Washington in order to overthrow a democratically elected leader.  But this account has key limits".

"It is hardly deniable that the US government and NATO are pressing their own interests.  And it is also true that US imperialism is surely the most wide-ranging and extensive strain at work in the modern world today, given the control of markets the US secures often through puppet dictatorships and the sheer number of bases it has accrued across the world, alongside the overwhelming military hardware that adorns these".

"But, since the dissolution of the USSR, Russia itself has hardly been slack in terms of its own international and internal incursions.  Since 1991 it has invaded, occupied or attacked Moldova, Georgia, Chechnya, Syria and Ukraine.  Many of these assaults were about supressing independence movements; Moldova had proclaimed independence and, in response, Russia occupied Transnistria which was already home to a Russian military base. In Russia itself, the Chechen independence movement was furiously suppressed in two wars involving more than a decades worth of bloody violence".

 

It becomes quite clear to me, how the "cabal" operate, divide & conquer via confusion & fake news day-to-day, to hide the real agenda's of the elite.

 



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Wagner dude backs off on the march to Moscow... unless this was another slight of hand, dude might as well go down trying to remove Putin, because otherwise Putin is gonna have him killed. 

Mark my words.


 

Russian agency says mercenary leader Prigozhin was aboard plane that crashed, leaving no survivors

https://www.yahoo.com/news/business-jet-crash-russia-kills-172033083.html



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Another accidental death for a Putin critic, what a coincidence.

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Well you know he's got to switch it up... grand piano, safe, falling out a window *cough* and now a mysterious airplane crash...

We know the rotation will have been reset when someone turns up poisoned, then he can reshuffle thru the safes and pianos and whatnot.

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It's still up in the air if he was on it or not. Name on a passenger list is easily faked and all they have right now.

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You make a good point! I too thought perhaps disinformation at first too -- just like when he said he was going to march on Moscow... 

I think it's very possible he could have staged it... but the odds are he's dead, because we haven't heard from him -- and really there was no point in faking his death because he's a very recognizable fellow. Although some people still think 2Pac and Elvis are still alive!

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You make a good point! I too thought perhaps disinformation at first too -- just like when he said he was going to march on Moscow... 

I think it's very possible he could have staged it... but the odds are he's dead, because we haven't heard from him -- and really there was no point in faking his death because he's a very recognizable fellow. Although some people still think 2Pac and Elvis are still alive!

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 No proof of anything, no body. On a passenger list? OK but took a different plane? There is more to him and Putin and what's going on.



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Are you suggesting there is a method to this madness?



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