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SUPERNOVA - Now it's personal, Pan!


Welp folks... it's been a testing 20 years raising kids! In all these years of looking outward at everyone and everything around me to protect the family, it's become time to look inward.

So we have this inner personal implosion that no doubt has left a stellar-mass black hole in my heart. But I will survive!

I know there are a lot of people out there who would like to take credit for this, but the truth is that it has taken the entire solar system from 1975 until today to round the edges of this sharp and jagged heart!

I've always wanted my very own Personal Pan thread!

 

Pro-Tip : Earth is spinning at 1,000 MPH... meanwhile, and at the exact same time the Earth is orbiting the sun at 67,000 MPH! But wait! There is more! While all this is happening, our galaxy (The Milky Way) is hurling us thru space at 1.3 MILLION miles per hour!

So relax, whatever control you thought you had was just blissful ignorance! 

Enjoy it, relish it, EMBRACE IT! 

 



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Pro-Tip #2-

 

You know... for many years I have been on the web-net, before the net was even the net... in that time I have analyzed 1000's of women profiles... and there is one thing I have concluded:

All the woman who did not have a fathers who took them to Home Depot for a hot dog turned out to be prudes!

It's really quite embarassing that in all these decades this is the best that I could come up with, however I have been following the topic for some time now. You don't see it employed much anymore, but maybe that's because I have not been out there on the prowl in awhile. 

So for the guys reading this, if you want to know right away if your girl is a prude, just ask her "Did you ever have a hot dog with your Dad at Home Depot?" 

If she says yes and gushes about it, you got yourself a winner... 

If she says no, move on! You'll have more luck shucking oysters for pearls!

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I think Rastus is all butt-hurt that I told him to go chase some UFO's...

I thought he was made of sterner stuff!



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And just an FYI - I'm not upset with anyone! Not from this forum, or any of the girls...

I'm just taking a break... self destructing in my own way, independent of all my internet friends.

The thread title "SUPERNOVA - Now it's personal, Pan!" alludes to me looking inward... independent of any outward influences, which I can assure you is a lot since I still keep up with everyone. I also hope the break will allow one of our forums biggest Stars ("M") a little room to relax as she transitions into her new title of "Home Engineer" once she gives birth. At that moment she will be given a new title, "Mom"... which is the highest honor this life can offer. I'm still the biggest fan any of the solid 13 ever had, always will be!

All that said, I'm still crazy love sick as ever... still drinking, smoking and having regular unprotected sex... I'm also still fixing cars and doing home renovations. It's been different around here the past few months with all the kids gone, but I'm easing into it like a hot tub of sorts. 

If others need space, take it! Enjoy it! Because this slump won't last forever!

I'll Be Back!

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Pro-Tip : Earth is spinning at 1,000 MPH... meanwhile, and at the exact same time the Earth is orbiting the sun at 67,000 MPH! But wait! There is more! While all this is happening, our galaxy (The Milky Way) is hurling us thru space at 1.3 MILLION miles per hour! 


 

I thought I might add that some days the pro-tip above may feel more like this

On these rare days, be like PFC Hudson!!



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I had to edit my post above because I was today years old when I leardned that Newt and Corpral Hix did not survive! Sure, they made it thru the movie however they were later killed off in Aliens III... I bought the entire series a decade or so back on iTunes, guess I'll have to watch part three sometime.

In other news, I recently purchased the new Scream movie... it wasn't bad, and they even killed off a long time cast member! I won't say who it is, because just like Aliens, you never know... they might have survived and be in the next film. Honestly if they do something like this, with all the times that character has nearly been killed off, it will almost be like a living homage to Jason Voorhees of Friday the 13th! LOL

The air at night is getting cooler here in Michigan, you can tell the seasons are changing! No longer is it light out until almost 10pm, rather it's starting to get dusk a little after 8pm!

You guys know what this means! The Halloween Movies are now officially in season!

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And they call it... potato love! 

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Welp folks... it's been a testing 20 years raising kids! In all these years of looking outward at everyone and everything around me to protect the family, it's become time to look inward.

So we have this inner personal implosion that no doubt has left a stellar-mass black hole in my heart. But I will survive!

I know there are a lot of people out there who would like to take credit for this, but the truth is that it has taken the entire solar system from 1975 until today to round the edges of this sharp and jagged heart!

I've always wanted my very own Personal Pan thread!

 

Pro-Tip : Earth is spinning at 1,000 MPH... meanwhile, and at the exact same time the Earth is orbiting the sun at 67,000 MPH! But wait! There is more! While all this is happening, our galaxy (The Milky Way) is hurling us thru space at 1.3 MILLION miles per hour!

So relax, whatever control you thought you had was just blissful ignorance! 

Enjoy it, relish it, EMBRACE IT! 

 


Lies. I can show you lies about this earth, NASA lies, fed lies, openly since 1958. NO ONE ever, has proven the earth is in motion. I mentioned freemasons before, and astronauts and high level NASA are freemasons, "no talkie about our fake shit" which draws $50mil A DAY funding. Pics of astro's making the satanic symbol. And more symbolism. Throughout "their description" of the earth and solar system you will see 666 repeatedly. Earth is on a 66.6 degree tilt. The earth curvature is .666 squared per mile. Earths circumference is 66600 miles. 1955 there was an Antarctic expedition, at a certain longitude and latitude they discovered a dome, 1143 feet up. Just as it is described in the first page of Genesis and 200 more times in the bible, the earth is flat. In 1958 Britannica you can read this expedition, but 1959 it was removed from all books. 1958 feds wanted us space superior and made NASA from the old NBMP. Then the space race began with Ruskies. Who can tell the biggest lie. Both did good. We never went to the moon as confirmed by Buzz himself. The space station is a mockup in a pool. There has never been a pic of the ISS, ever. Watch an astro working outside the space station, watch the bubbles from his helmet. No bubbles in space. If the earth were spinning 1000mph a helicopter would only need to hover and wait for the destination to reach them at 1000 miles per hour. How does a 600mph jet make any headway flying against a 1000mph rotation? I watched the "moon landing" as it happened. I called bullshit that night. I called all my science teachers on bullshit, curve of the earth (widely said 3.1 miles to horizon). There are NO pics of the moon by astros. Live every pic and video was labeled "artist conception" Later that part was removed and people believe NASA and the pics. Member the vid of the lunar module taking off from the moon? Classic. Who da fuq took the video?

Oh yeah, something about that 3.1 mile horizon. Here is an earth curvature calc https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature

Plug in say 100 miles and a 6 foot eye level. At 100 miles the surface of the earth, sea level is 6274 feet below your line of sight. Mountains in the midwest, light house in europe at 100 mi can all be seen, right to the base. But how can you see a 100' lighthouse if it is 6274 feet BELOW the horizon? Ever seen mountains with their foothills in the midwest? One skyline on the great lakes was very visible at 60 miles, right to the base, beach, water. The skyline is 2166 feet below the horizon, no buildings that high. One cia run media newsman said "it's a mirage" By earth curve calc, at 5 miles their is a 6 foot drop (look up Bedford experiment). Ever seen a man in the desert more than 5 miles away? No you didn't, not possible with a round earth. Ever see Catalina from So Cal? I have hundreds of times, naked eye, 26 miles out, with glass you can see people on the beach. You seen it? No you didn't, at 26 miles Catalina is 353 feet below your line of sight if you believe NASA and round earth theorys, only feature one could see is Mt Orizaba. But it is all visible, like the lighthouse at 100 miles. 



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Lies. I can show you lies about this earth, NASA lies, fed lies, openly since 1958. NO ONE ever, has proven the earth is in motion. I mentioned freemasons before, and astronauts and high level NASA are freemasons, "no talkie about our fake shit" which draws $50mil A DAY funding. Pics of astro's making the satanic symbol. And more symbolism. Throughout "their description" of the earth and solar system you will see 666 repeatedly. Earth is on a 66.6 degree tilt. The earth curvature is .666 squared per mile. Earths circumference is 66600 miles. 1955 there was an Antarctic expedition, at a certain longitude and latitude they discovered a dome, 1143 feet up. Just as it is described in the first page of Genesis and 200 more times in the bible, the earth is flat. In 1958 Britannica you can read this expedition, but 1959 it was removed from all books. 1958 feds wanted us space superior and made NASA from the old NBMP. Then the space race began with Ruskies. Who can tell the biggest lie. Both did good. We never went to the moon as confirmed by Buzz himself. The space station is a mockup in a pool. There has never been a pic of the ISS, ever. Watch an astro working outside the space station, watch the bubbles from his helmet. No bubbles in space. If the earth were spinning 1000mph a helicopter would only need to hover and wait for the destination to reach them at 1000 miles per hour. How does a 600mph jet make any headway flying against a 1000mph rotation? I watched the "moon landing" as it happened. I called bullshit that night. I called all my science teachers on bullshit, curve of the earth (widely said 3.1 miles to horizon). There are NO pics of the moon by astros. Live every pic and video was labeled "artist conception" Later that part was removed and people believe NASA and the pics. Member the vid of the lunar module taking off from the moon? Classic. Who da fuq took the video?

Oh yeah, something about that 3.1 mile horizon. Here is an earth curvature calc https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature

Plug in say 100 miles and a 6 foot eye level. At 100 miles the surface of the earth, sea level is 6274 feet below your line of sight. Mountains in the midwest, light house in europe at 100 mi can all be seen, right to the base. But how can you see a 100' lighthouse if it is 6274 feet BELOW the horizon? Ever seen mountains with their foothills in the midwest? One skyline on the great lakes was very visible at 60 miles, right to the base, beach, water. The skyline is 2166 feet below the horizon, no buildings that high. One cia run media newsman said "it's a mirage" By earth curve calc, at 5 miles their is a 6 foot drop (look up Bedford experiment). Ever seen a man in the desert more than 5 miles away? No you didn't, not possible with a round earth. Ever see Catalina from So Cal? I have hundreds of times, naked eye, 26 miles out, with glass you can see people on the beach. You seen it? No you didn't, at 26 miles Catalina is 353 feet below your line of sight if you believe NASA and round earth theorys, only feature one could see is Mt Orizaba. But it is all visible, like the lighthouse at 100 miles. 

 


 

Shawnee you never told us you were a "Flat Earther"! Do you really belive the world is flat?

The Earth is spining at 1000 MPH, however you're just not taking into account the sheer size of the earth! If the world was not spining we would have no gravity and would float off into space! 

These landmarks you speak of, I am not very familar with... so I can't say that I agree or disagree with your observations. What I can tell you is that some of your locations and landmarks could be above or below sea level.

If you think the Earth is flat, does that mean you also think the moon is flat too? One only needs to circle the globe in a regular old airplane to confirm the world is round! 

The reason all these speeds sound so impossible to you is because you're not taking into account the vast size! In fact I don't even think the human mind could quantify the sheer mass involved!

I'm not here to tell anyone what to believe, but just simple modern day air travel proves the world is round... you don't even need to go into space to figure that out.



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I think Rastus is all butt-hurt that I told him to go chase some UFO's...

I thought he was made of sterner stuff!


 LOL !!!

 

No, some mofo / sore loser was censoring me !!!



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Well, whoever was censoring you it was NOT ME or this forum... where are they censoring you?



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Well, whoever was censoring you it was NOT ME or this forum... where are they censoring you?


 

Word down this way has it that Mr.Trumpdt & co. is trying his bollox-off to be able to "spam" everyone world-wide, to brainwash us all, & concern ourselves with his election intentions...This means Sleepy-Joe too...And the Anglo Saxon / US-of-A take-over of the world continues...

I was censored whilst trying to post in the" Maralago" thread a few days ago, but I managed to post up a 'toon/meme in there this time-around...And once again, the computer swallows some "bug" that necessitates the old "start-up" disk...

Be very concerned when I stop being able to post...The Hon.Danny Sheehan warned us all that we have only a short window of time before the NSA accomplishes this. Re-watch the Dr.Greer films again & again, as the history of all this treachery is within those babies...

* It seems that the "bugs" coming into my computer are via a Firefox download that I didn't authorize...So the "next" time I fire-up the Wi-fi, & surf the net, it's activated...And the next time I boot up the computer, well, I have to do it twice, with a start-up disc.









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Perhaps your virus has been installed on your computer for awhile? I did mention that my Mac had a melt down after playing one of your tunes in the V8 Cafe! I had to hard close and find the little fucker in the task manager and cancel it! Then I immediatly cleared the cookies and cache for the entire 24 hours. It could still be in there I suppose, I been having little lags here and there but I figured that was due to my mail server that is now running on all cylinders since my new hosting company (bluest.com) is bout it - bout it! I even set up an IMAP to keep all my devices synced. I've also been working on a database, so I have a lot of things going on in the background. 

I think it's unfair to suggest that Trump is any worse than any other World Leader... they all get their exposure in the media here in the USA!

It does make me go hmmmmm... when you are absent too long. So many factors here, did he hit a cow on his bike? Did he finally catch that UFO? Did the Nuke guys get him? 

I think what may have happend is that your computer had a brain fart when posting! This shouldn't be an issue as it happens to me all the time! This forum will automatically save your post as you are typing, so unless you are copying and pasting I doubt you would lose your entire post, even if you went offline. The next time you go to post it will autofill most all of what you posted. I think it refreshes and buffers every 5-10 or so seconds. I don't use Firefox here, but I know there are also a lot of moving parts on the backend. There may be an app or program you have installed making that connection. 

One thing I can tell you for sure, nobody censored your post here... and if you got a virus it's probably the same one that came in that MP3 you made. Maybe it's time for a new virus software update? Start up disks and constant re-installs are one of the main reason I left Microsoft and Windows... I'm not a big fan of Tim Cook, but then again I'm not a big fan of Bill Gates... feel like I'm choosing the lesser of two evils here.

Speaking of which, the new line of iPhones were announced today with Apples Key-Note program... I'll admit it wasn't a big deal for me this year, and outside of Satalite emergency calls there really isn't anything new and ground breaking about the iPhone 14! This is not to say it's not a better, faster and more advanced phone, just that I'm not ready to plunk out $1,500 for it! If my phone was damaged, lost or stolen I'd for sure jump on it! But fortunately Apple makes some pretty quality hardware and my iPhone X is still working just fine for me! Plus it's not 5G so I don't have to be worried about that nonsense. I don't have to worry as the phone will soon be made obsolete by way of software, because honestly I still have my old original Apple iPhone 3G and it still works!



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Yo,

It's censorship, have no doubt SELLC...You folks have the CIA ( + a host of alphabet soup agencies that apparently your POTUS's say don't exist ), the UK has MI-5 & MI-6 etc etc, & we here in Oz have ASIO, so take your pick...

Just like I indicated a full 18-months before hand, that Sleepy-Joe would be your next POTUS, I can assure you that censorship is coming, & then we've lost our freedoms & liberties, just like Henry Kissinger, Nancy, J.D. Rockefeller & all the Bilderberg group planned years ago. Re-watch the Dr.Greer doco's & you'll remain informed.

No cows to hit on my bike as of yet, thankfully, just plenty of shyte on the road to dodge LOL. And you know for sure that after all these years, the ET's come-by regularly. The only reason I chased once, was to confirm that your possibility of a drone was not a valid one in this instance. The Nuke guys may well get me, but fuck-em. They've *ucked us all haven't they ?...

In recent times, SoundCloud has wanted me to earn money of my tunes, because they're actually quite popular, so it's possible some copyright protections via them are stopping you uploading my tunes onto your Apple thingy, but I doubt it some how. I would suggest that the "stuff" I bring here to this forum ( & others too ) is of concern to our elite, & hence the bollox !

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Ummm... if the CIA, MI-5 or ASIO is censoring your stuff, I'm afraid there is little that I can do about that! LOL

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Well, there you go !

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Welp... just finished the last job for the day. Once I back that sucker in and close up the garage I think I'm going to have myself a drink... and we all know what happens when you have a drink! You end up having another, and another! LOL

Let us just hope the booze helps me pass out, rather than stay up late and chase the muff around.



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Yo,

Why not write to Sleepy-Joe, & ask him to legalize these for us all...Or get MB to make one too !



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In the past there has been a lot of flying suits that have been tested... they are getting better and better in the design and function too!

I wouldn't be shocked if this could be the next big thing... at least in terms of low flying transportation. 

Personally I'll wait a good while until they get all the bugs worked out! 

 



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Shawnee you never told us you were a "Flat Earther"! Do you really belive the world is flat?

The Earth is spining at 1000 MPH, however you're just not taking into account the sheer size of the earth! If the world was not spining we would have no gravity and would float off into space! 

These landmarks you speak of, I am not very familar with... so I can't say that I agree or disagree with your observations. What I can tell you is that some of your locations and landmarks could be above or below sea level.

If you think the Earth is flat, does that mean you also think the moon is flat too? One only needs to circle the globe in a regular old airplane to confirm the world is round! 

The reason all these speeds sound so impossible to you is because you're not taking into account the vast size! In fact I don't even think the human mind could quantify the sheer mass involved!

I'm not here to tell anyone what to believe, but just simple modern day air travel proves the world is round... you don't even need to go into space to figure that out.


I have been along time. NO ONE has ever proven the earth is moving, ever, and can't. Can you?

Gravity is not PROVEN. It's a theory. Newton dropping an apple proves the apple is denser than air, that's all. What if he dropped a helium balloon? feather? soap bubble? Why we stick is WEIGHT & DENSITY. Period. How does a ship float at the waterline? Weight and displacement.

Did you know navigators are taught "flat, non rotating earth? Pilots the same, all over the world. The RAF manual spells it out, "flat non rotating" Fucking liars NASA say "a ridged model on a flat non rotating earth. Ever look at the instrument "artificial horizon" in a plane? FLAT! Where does the word horizon come from? Horizontal.

Modern air travel proves it? Why are airline pilots and navigators taught "flat, non rotating"? If the earth were spinning 1000 mph and you were flying north to land you would not have a straight approach. Runways are miles, approach can be 20 miles plus. Think an earth rotating below you at 1000mph, you flying north at 600mph the runway is not going to slip to your left, quickly? So one has to make a curbed landing??? NO   How about at 30,000 feet straight and level. In 80 miles you are a mile higher, 1/6th altitude gain, pilot have to hold down elevator? NO. 

The moon like the planets are discs around the firmament, stars are attached, the firmament rotates, not the earth.

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Here you go Shawnee, & it's from the Flat Earth folks !

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I have been along time. NO ONE has ever proven the earth is moving, ever, and can't. Can you?

Gravity is not PROVEN. It's a theory. Newton dropping an apple proves the apple is denser than air, that's all. What if he dropped a helium balloon? feather? soap bubble? Why we stick is WEIGHT & DENSITY. Period. How does a ship float at the waterline? Weight and displacement.

Did you know navigators are taught "flat, non rotating earth? Pilots the same, all over the world. The RAF manual spells it out, "flat non rotating" Fucking liars NASA say "a ridged model on a flat non rotating earth. Ever look at the instrument "artificial horizon" in a plane? FLAT! Where does the word horizon come from? Horizontal.

Modern air travel proves it? Why are airline pilots and navigators taught "flat, non rotating"? If the earth were spinning 1000 mph and you were flying north to land you would not have a straight approach. Runways are miles, approach can be 20 miles plus. Think an earth rotating below you at 1000mph, you flying north at 600mph the runway is not going to slip to your left, quickly? So one has to make a curbed landing??? NO   How about at 30,000 feet straight and level. In 80 miles you are a mile higher, 1/6th altitude gain, pilot have to hold down elevator? NO. 

The moon like the planets are discs around the firmament, stars are attached, the firmament rotates, not the earth.

This is a good vid.


 

Shawnee... The sun rises in the East and sets in the West. 

This is made possible because the earth is ROUND AND because it's MOVING. 

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I think it's much more constructive if you disprove the reality that earth is round and moving... I am a big sci-fi fan!

This should be good.



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I think it's much more constructive if you disprove the reality that earth is round and moving... I am a big sci-fi fan!

This should be good.


 

LOL !!!

You'll have to do better than your explanation above in the other post SELLC, as even if the world was flat, the sun would still rise in the East, & set in the West...

Shawnee "may" be click-baiting you, so as to prove that you should not always believe what the "media" tells you...

If you click on the link I posted, the answer lays in the 1st paragraph, with the terms used by these folks...( eg hemisphere.. ( so what's a hemisphere ??? ( it's 1/2 a sphere, & a sphere is round like a ball yo)))...

A more accurate proof lay in the construction of an atom.



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You'll have to do better than your explanation above in the other post SELLC, as even if the world was flat, the sun would still rise in the East, & set in the West...

 


 

No Rastus... 

Because how would the sun magically pop up to the East again? Would it just teleport to the other side instantaneously? The answer is NO.

If everything else is moving and Earth is standing still then the Earth would still have to be ROUND in order to have different hemispheres. 

Get yourself a powerful telescope Shawnee! With a good enough telescope you can actually SEE the satalites that circle the Earth! You know who put them there? WE DID!

Now, the moment you see a satalite in the sky you can conclude that mankind has had the proper vantage-point to conclude without any doubt that the Earth is round, and indeed spins.

 



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Modern air travel proves it? Why are airline pilots and navigators taught "flat, non rotating"? If the earth were spinning 1000 mph and you were flying north to land you would not have a straight approach. Runways are miles, approach can be 20 miles plus. Think an earth rotating below you at 1000mph, you flying north at 600mph the runway is not going to slip to your left, quickly? So one has to make a curbed landing??? NO   How about at 30,000 feet straight and level. In 80 miles you are a mile higher, 1/6th altitude gain, pilot have to hold down elevator? NO. 

 

Yes modern air travel proves it! 

Next time you're in an airplane at 32,000 feet, walk to the bathroom... while walking to the bathroom hop in the air! Does the floor beneath you move at the 500-575 MPH that a commercial airliner flies at? The answer is NO! NO IT WILL NOT!

This is because the airplane is pressurized! The same is true of the Earth's atmosphere! 

 



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How would the sun magically pop up to the East again ? Would it just teleport to the other side instantaneously ? The answer is NO.
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You misunderstand here my friend, because flat or round ( the earth ), the sun would still take its time travel around us...

Anyhow, the ET's gave us this knowledge possibly millions of years ago. Countless civilizations had superior knowledge of the stars, as proven in the South America's in Peru, the Aztecs in Mexico, & say even the Egyptians & the pyramids...Read through the last book I posted, it's all in there btw...( At least different perspectives of the same thing with proofs )...

It's not about being smart or not, but about the "how" one might freely digest the "knowledge" without proofs, & how you prove things for yourself...


*In more modern recent history, it was the Greek scientist Aristotle, who put forward the notion ( with proofs ) that the earth was round...

1. All matter appears to fall to a common center...( This idea predates Newton & him "discovering gravity" lol )...

2. Our earth throws a circular shadow on the moon during an eclipse...

3. When traveling from North to South, new constellations become visible, & old ones disappear.


Anyhow, there's an old ancient device known as an Astrolabe, check-out how it's constructed...This is what the ancients once used to map-out the stars & constellations...

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I think it's much more constructive if you disprove the reality that earth is round and moving... I am a big sci-fi fan!

This should be good.


 Better than good. No One has ever proved the earth is in motion so no need to disprove it.



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How would the sun magically pop up to the East again ? Would it just teleport to the other side instantaneously ? The answer is NO.
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You misunderstand here my friend, because flat or round ( the earth ), the sun would still take its time travel around us...

Anyhow, the ET's gave us this knowledge possibly millions of years ago. Countless civilizations had superior knowledge of the stars, as proven in the South America's in Peru, the Aztecs in Mexico, & say even the Egyptians & the pyramids...Read through the last book I posted, it's all in there btw...( At least different perspectives of the same thing with proofs )...

It's not about being smart or not, but about the "how" one might freely digest the "knowledge" without proofs, & how you prove things for yourself...


*In more modern recent history, it was the Greek scientist Aristotle, who put forward the notion ( with proofs ) that the earth was round...

1. All matter appears to fall to a common center...( This idea predates Newton & him "discovering gravity" lol )...

2. Our earth throws a circular shadow on the moon during an eclipse...

3. When traveling from North to South, new constellations become visible, & old ones disappear.


Anyhow, there's an old ancient device known as an Astrolabe, check-out how it's constructed...This is what the ancients once used to map-out the stars & constellations...

Astrolabe.jpg

 


 Every single old civilization believed the earth was flat and had models there of.

Even here 1893 Orlando Ferguson,

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Magellan did not sail around the globe, cause there is not one. He sailed around the earth as he claimed, continent to continent.

 

What do we have here. W.H.O. uses a flat earth as their symbol?

 

Gee, UN too? What they know you don't? Nasa lies, the earth is flat.

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Sell you are so stuck on airline proves it yet you cannot address approach by airlines on a rotating earth? How can a jet at 600mph make headway against a 1000mph rotation? The fact all navigators, ship and air are taught "flat non rotating earth", same as pilots? 

Did you watch the video? Flying proves flat earth not the opposite.



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This is fron NASA themselves. 

 

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19890005752

 

Derivation And Definition Of A Linear Aircraft Model A linear aircraft model for a rigid aircraft of constant mass flying over a flat, nonrotating earth is derived and defined. The derivation makes no assumptions of reference trajectory or vehicle symmetry. The linear system equations are derived and evaluated along a general trajectory and include both aircraft dynamics and observation variables.

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Duke, Eugene L.(NASA Hugh L. Dryden Flight Research Center Edwards, CA, United States)
 
Antoniewicz, Robert F.(NASA Hugh L. Dryden Flight Research Center Edwards, CA, United States)
 
Krambeer, Keith D.(NASA Hugh L. Dryden Flight Research Center Edwards, CA, United States)
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AIRCRAFT STABILITY AND CONTROL
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NASA-RP-1207
 
NAS 1.61:1207
 
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PROJECT: RTOP 505-66-11
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81 Government & Affiliate Documents that admit Flat Earth

https://www.terre-plate.org/library/CIA%20NASA%20Documents/81%20Government%20_%20Affiliate%20Documents%20that%20admit%20Flat%20Earth-converted.pdf

 

 



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Well, believe NASA? In the case of them admitting over and over "flat non rotating earth" over and over, yes. Yet everything else is a lie.

 

 

 

#1 - Derivation and Definition of a Linear Aircraft Model:

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf

"aircraft of constant mass, flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat nonrotating earth."

(page 35 of pdf & page 30 of doc) (last page of pdf & page 102 of doc)



#2 - User's Manual for LINEAR, a FORTRAN program to derive Linear Aircraft Models:

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88072main_H-1259.pdf

"aircraft flying in a stationary atmosphere over flat nonrotating earth"

(page 16 of pdf & page 12 of doc)



#3 - User's Manual for LINEAR, a FORTRAN program to derive Linear Aircraft Models:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890007066.pdf

"rigid aircraft flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat nonrotating earth."

(pg 16 of pdf & pg 12 of doc)(pg 19 of pdf & pg 15 of doc)



#4 - Users Manual for Interactive LINEAR, a FORTRAN Program To Derive Linear Aircraft Models:

 https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88112main_H-1443.pdf

"stationary atmosphere earth over a flat, nonrotating earth." (pg 15 & 125 of pdf)



#5 - An Aircraft Model for the AIAA Controls Design Challenge:

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88248main_H-1777.pdf

"aircraft flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat nonrotating earth"

(page 13 of pdf & page 11 of doc):



#6 - The Engineering Analysis and Design of the Aircraft Dynamics Model For the FAA Target Generation Facility: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ang/offices/tc/about/campus/faa_host/labs/tgf/media/AircraftDynamicsModel.pdf

"The observant reader will notice that the aircraft equations of motion were calculated

assuming a flat Earth" (page 62 of pdf & page 32 of doc)



#7 - Flight Dynamics Summary:

http://www.aerostudents.com/courses/flight-dynamics/flightDynamicsFullVersion.pdf

"There is a flat Earth. (The Earths curvature is zero.)"

"There is a non-rotating Earth. (No Coriolis accelerations and such are present.)":

 (sec. 1.1.2 on page 1)



#8 - A Mathematical Model of the CH-53 Helicopter:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810003557.pdf

"The helicopter equations of motion are given in body axes with rerpect to

a flat, nonrotating Earth." (page 25 of pdf & page 17 of doc)



#9 - Stability and Control Estimation Flight Test Results for the SR-71 Aircraft With Externally Mounted Experiments: https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88733main_H-2465.pdf

"These equations assume a rigid vehicle and a flat, nonrotating Earth."

(page 19 of pdf & page 11 of doc)



#10 - Flight Testing a V/STOL Aircraft to Identify a Full-Envelope Aerodynamic Model:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19880014378.pdf

"a rigid body for describing motion over a flat, nonrotating Earth" (page 9 of pdf & page 5 of doc)



#11 - General Equations of Motion for a Damaged Asymmetric Aircraft:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20070030307.pdf

"In this paper, the rigid body equations of motion over a flat non-rotating earth "

(page 2 of pdf & doc)



#12 - Investigation of Aircraft Landing in Variable Wind Fields (NASA Contractor Report 3073):

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19790005472.pdf

"The earth is flat and non-rotating." (page 10 of pdf & page 2 of doc) (page 14 of pdf & page 6 of doc)



#13 - Singular Arc Time-Optimal Climb Trajectory of Aircraft:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20060053337.pdf

"the aircraft is modeled as a point mass and the flight trajectory is strictly confined in a vertical plane on a non-rotating, flat earth." (page 2 of pdf & doc)



#14 - Adding Liquid Payloads Effects to the 6-DOF Trajectory of Spinning Projectiles: http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2010/ARL-TR-5118.pdf

These equations assume a flat Earth. (pg 7 of pdf & pg 1 of doc)



#15 - Trajectory Prediction of Spin-Stabilized Projectiles With a Steady Liquid Payload:

http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2011/ARL-TR-5810.pdf

These equations assume a flat Earth. (pg 10 of pdf & pg 2 of doc)



#16 - DETERMINATION OF ANGLES OF ATTACK AND SIDESLIP FROM RADAR DATA AND A ROLL-STABILIZED PLATFORM: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19720012071.pdf

"The method is limited, however, to application where a flat, nonrotating earth may be assumed."

(page 2 of pdf) (page 3 of pdf) (page 7 of pdf & page 5 of doc) (page 19 of pdf & page 17 of doc):



#17 - ANGLE OF ATTACK AND SIDESLIP ESTIMATION USING AN INERTIAL REFERENCE PLATFORM:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a194876.pdf

"All inertial velocities are actually ground speeds over the locally flat earth."

(pg 59 of pdf & pg 43 of doc)



#18 - CALCULATION OF WIND COMPENSATION FOR LAUNCHING OF UNGUIDED ROCKETS:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20040008097.pdf

"the missile position in space is computed relative to a flat nonrotating earth."

(page 8 of pdf & page 7 of doc)



#19 - A METHOD FOR REDUCING THE SENSITIVITY OF OPTIMAL NONLINEAR SYSTEMS TO PARAMETER UNCERTAINTY: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710018599.pdf

"A flat, nonrotating earth" (page 14 of pdf & page 12 of doc)



#20 - Approximate Optimal Guidance for the Advanced Launch System (NASA Contractor Report 4568): https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19940020279.pdf

"over a flat, nonrotating Earth." (page 43 of pdf & page 25 of doc)(page 32 of pdf & page 14 of doc)



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Foreword I have had many people sending me questions and asking my opinion about flight paths and emergency landings and how these flight paths prove that the shape of the earth is not a globe. I have since decided to write this book where I present 16 Emergency Landings proving Flat Earth and I show, by comparing the flight paths side by side on the globe model and on the flat earth map, that the paths of these flights on the flat earth map make more sense over a ball earth model. I start this book by telling a little bit about me and my struggle when I first came across the flat earth information. Having visited NASA in Huntsville, Alabama twice in my lifetime and having been a big science believer and science fiction reader, it was extremely hard at first to look through the evidences and find the hidden truth behind a pile of lies. Since the beginning of my investigation and research I have defended the position that, flight paths and emergency landings are among the strongest evidences, if not the strongest evidence, that the earth is not a globe. I also come to the conclusion that, those who have been withholding this information have done it so for a long time and they have been using all sorts of mechanisms: the education system, technology and the media just to keep this truth from being widely known by the population of the world.

 



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No doubt the scientific calculations work out correctly for flight paths & distances for air travel...Even I have to admit that an aeroplane flying perfectly horizontal, would "have to be" climbing in altitude ever-so slightly, & eventually out of the atmosphere in a round globe scenario...Plus the mathematical calculations are very much simplified, buy not having to calculate curvature or using 22/7...

But because of the immense size of the earth's radius in Km's, & the rather small altitudes flown by commercial aircraft of say 10-Km's altitude, minor compensations & adjustments in small increments will keep the flight altitude steady.

*Don't forget Shawnee, we have the arctic circle, & the antarctic circles, where we have 24-hrs daylight, & / or 24-hrs night depending on the seasons...And only a round globe or sphere can be representative of these facts alone...

And to prove this, it's very-much winter time down here in Oz, when it's summer in the US-of-A.









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No doubt the scientific calculations work out correctly for flight paths & distances for air travel...Even I have to admit that an aeroplane flying perfectly horizontal, would "have to be" climbing in altitude ever-so slightly, & eventually out of the atmosphere in a round globe scenario...Plus the mathematical calculations are very much simplified, buy not having to calculate curvature or using 22/7...

But because of the immense size of the earth's radius in Km's, & the rather small altitudes flown by commercial aircraft of say 10-Km's altitude, minor compensations & adjustments in small increments will keep the flight altitude steady.

*Don't forget Shawnee, we have the arctic circle, & the antarctic circles, where we have 24-hrs daylight, & / or 24-hrs night depending on the seasons...And only a round globe or sphere can be representative of these facts alone...

And to prove this, it's very-much winter time down here in Oz, when it's summer in the US-of-A.









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 Yes the earth curve calcs work out right. There are charts, the calculator I provided and can be done the long way with basic algebra and geometry. The pilots are all taught flat non rotating. Why is that? NASA uses flat earth non rotating. Why is that? I flew Cessna, parachuted, and as I fly to a destination or on approach, even takeoff. I DON'T HAVE TO CALCULATE THE EARTH AT 1000MPH SLIPPING AWAY BELOW ME. Pretty obvious why NASA says the earth is round to us, but they use a flat earth, non rotating themselves.  We are moving 1000 mph? I don't feel it. But at 25 in a car or even bicycle I feel it. 

The climb part related to the curve is weak. OK, a pilot would have to dive constantly. I never did. Trim the plane it will pretty much fly itself, long as one would like or gas capacity. Short distances you mention? If I fly 100 miles away, I'm 6200 feet higher than I started without nose diving? Even 100 miles that is considerable. The earth is flat.

I can give you vids on the "midnite sun" It's not true and who COULD go there and see it? NOONE.. Off limits. Antartica is actually the ice circle around the entire circumference. NP in center, SP  a circle. I mentioned the exploret to Ant in 1955 who found the dome/firmament that was taken out of all books after 1958 when NASA first started. It's in the 1958 britanica, not the 1959. 2 old explorers sailed Antarctica. One 60,000 miles, one 66,000 miles, 3 years. They NEVER saw a break in the ice wall.

Then we get the feds. Operation "Hi Jump", "Dominicus" and "Fishbowl". God does have a sense of humor and we are in a fishbowl full of air. 1955 explorer found it. Much more proof after, videos of rockets skidding along the firmament/dome. Dominicus is "of God" so,,, Fishbowl of God." Those two were attempts nuking the firmament. I have much more on this if someone wants. Recently they tried boring thru the dome with those cool tunnel makers. 4-8 miles in the hole filled in behind them, trapping them.

Winter and summer there and here are explained. NP a dot, then 4 more rings. The sun travels 3 and 4 and shifts at 6 mo. Wanna talk tides? Eclipses? I got the vids. Anyone watch the one I provided?



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You sure that's not an 1800's roulette table?


 Damn, got me there!



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Looks like we might have to put in some overtime on this one!


 I started seriously questioning things in my sophmore year and never stopped. I was college prep, took many electives of science and math. 2 maths required I took 4. MY sci teacher was married to my Geometry teach. Wonder their conversations about me at home!!!

The earth is flat, period. You asked me if I was a flat earther but yes much more than that and it came about because of the lies. We have been lied to about most everything!!! Not just the "round earth at 1000mh, traveling millions (forgetthe figure but bet 666 in it) of miles and hour thru space. If asked I'll tell anyone, I'll give evidence if wanted. Far as convince anyone? Not my job, I will present the truth, one can continue to believe the govt and globalists all they want.

"it is easier to convince someone, than to convince them they have been fooled" Mark Twain

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Yo Shawnee,

Respectfully, how is it that we all live in different time-zones, & whilst it's morning as I write this with the sun out, & yet it's dark states-side ??? If the world was flat, we'd all share the same daylight hours.

As for the flat earth & UN depictions, they're simply arranged so as to see everything on the one-plane / page...And mathematically speaking, these maps will still work as long as you start to reduce the calculations once beyond the equator.

And why should we have a flat earth, when every other planet elsewhere is a sphere ???...

I agree that there's a lot going on in antarctica, as proved by my links to John Warner IV, & Eric J Hecker...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtY5iISsMAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YHR9JqzC1w



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SELLC wrote:

Wow... Shawnee is really going to put up a fight on this one!

Looks like we might have to put in some overtime on this one!


 I started seriously questioning things in my sophmore year and never stopped. I was college prep, took many electives of science and math. 2 maths required I took 4. MY sci teacher was married to my Geometry teach. Wonder their conversations about me at home!!!

The earth is flat, period. You asked me if I was a flat earther but yes much more than that and it came about because of the lies. We have been lied to about most everything!!! Not just the "round earth at 1000mh, traveling millions (forgetthe figure but bet 666 in it) of miles and hour thru space. If asked I'll tell anyone, I'll give evidence if wanted. Far as convince anyone? Not my job, I will present the truth, one can continue to believe the govt and globalists all they want.

"it is easier to convince someone, than to convince them they have been fooled" Mark Twain

And we been fooled like you can't imagine.


 

Well Shawnee... I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one... But you're in luck! Here everyone is welcome to their opinion, regardless how unconventional! 

I am sure there is a lot that "people" don't know... 

You just don't see many people now days quoting Mark Twain... That might as well be considered Old American Testamate kind of stuff.



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Hello Shawnee,

I watched the video, & thought it was great...Really, really good in fact..Quite an eye-opener...( As proof, it covered the Antarctica expeditions ( 4,700 men), the forming of various alphabet soup agencies such as the CIA after the Roswell event, the Van Allen belt, NASA scientists & astronauts confirming exploration finally to the moon & other places in the solar system is only "now" available, Dr.Werner Von Braun, Hillary & her blurbs, religious depictions of Flat-Earth, rainbows, prisms, & other optical illusions, from under the sea, to up-in-the-sky etc etc)...

*I would be honored & very happy to debunk each & every aspect of it for you Sir, just ask away.

We have moved on greatly since this film was made, as any of the Dr.Greer films would indicate, so take the time to view them & / or the Eyewitness Testimonies presented in the UFO thread, where possible, as some of the links have been censored / removed...

Also, I've posted some extraordinary books in the UFO thread for folks to learn from, you would like them, as between them all, a picture forms that allures to the truth. Please read them !!!

Here's a link to a book that will help you Sir ( & everyone too), in understanding our heritage, & so place an extraordinarily vast subject into some positive perspective. It's one's perspective, & how we choose to see things, is what life is all about, as you well know.

It's a free download, all of 100 or so very short pages, & great reading, though as with all books, a couple of read-through's is needed for complete understanding...

Enjoy :) !!!


https://archive.org/details/prism-of-lyra

 

*Nb. Just scroll down, & on the right, click on PDF & it should download...Otherwise, I'll simply upload my version here !






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I watched the video, & thought it was great...Really, really good in fact..Quite an eye-opener...( As proof, it covered the Antarctica expeditions ( 4,700 men), the forming of various alphabet soup agencies such as the CIA after the Roswell event, the Van Allen belt, NASA scientists & astronauts confirming exploration finally to the moon & other places in the solar system is only "now" available, Dr.Werner Von Braun, Hillary & her blurbs, religious depictions of Flat-Earth, rainbows, prisms, & other optical illusions, from under the sea, to up-in-the-sky etc etc)...

*I would be honored & very happy to debunk each & every aspect of it for you Sir, just ask away.

We have moved on greatly since this film was made, as any of the Dr.Greer films would indicate, so take the time to view them & / or the Eyewitness Testimonies presented in the UFO thread, where possible, as some of the links have been censored / removed...

Also, I've posted some extraordinary books in the UFO thread for folks to learn from, you would like them, as between them all, a picture forms that allures to the truth. Please read them !!!

Here's a link to a book that will help you Sir ( & everyone too), in understanding our heritage, & so place an extraordinarily vast subject into some positive perspective. It's one's perspective, & how we choose to see things, is what life is all about, as you well know.

It's a free download, all of 100 or so very short pages, & great reading, though as with all books, a couple of read-through's is needed for complete understanding...

Enjoy :) !!!


https://archive.org/details/prism-of-lyra

 

*Nb. Just scroll down, & on the right, click on PDF & it should download...Otherwise, I'll simply upload my version here !






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 I can explain the sun moon path, it's an easy concept but easier to explain with a short vid. Candy has it, got to find it. Simply flatten the "globe" into flat earth. Antartica circles everything, explorers traveled it coast 60,000 and 62 or 66,000 never saw a break or a repeat. Continents in the middle, north pole dead center. 4 rings outside that, 3 and 4 where the sun travels and changes every 6 months. Earth is stationary, the firmament/dome rotates. Sun and moon go 360 degrees around the flat earth, illuminating or not as it passes. See a model of it explains it thoroughly, I'll find it.

Glad you watched the vid. I have seen so many in the years, I lose count!

I'll review that again and we can debate :) 

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Looks like we might have to put in some overtime on this one!


 I started seriously questioning things in my sophmore year and never stopped. I was college prep, took many electives of science and math. 2 maths required I took 4. MY sci teacher was married to my Geometry teach. Wonder their conversations about me at home!!!

The earth is flat, period. You asked me if I was a flat earther but yes much more than that and it came about because of the lies. We have been lied to about most everything!!! Not just the "round earth at 1000mh, traveling millions (forgetthe figure but bet 666 in it) of miles and hour thru space. If asked I'll tell anyone, I'll give evidence if wanted. Far as convince anyone? Not my job, I will present the truth, one can continue to believe the govt and globalists all they want.

"it is easier to convince someone, than to convince them they have been fooled" Mark Twain

And we been fooled like you can't imagine.


 

Well Shawnee... I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one... But you're in luck! Here everyone is welcome to their opinion, regardless how unconventional! 

I am sure there is a lot that "people" don't know... 

You just don't see many people now days quoting Mark Twain... That might as well be considered Old American Testamate kind of stuff.


 Quite OK with me, without opposite views how can people have discussion and debates! Twain may be old school, but he is certainly right. 



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Note. What finally clinched me was not videos but what I started questioning in 1969-70

Horizons, line of sight, alleged earth curvature. Curve can be figured with charts on the net, curve calculators and plain old geometry and algebra.

NASA themselves put out the curve and dimensions, circumference, dia etc. A few and you can use the calc back a few posts,,, at 5 miles line of sight at sealevel (eye at ground level) the earth is 6 feet below the horizon. It goes up exponentially. At 100 miles line of sight the earth is 6200 +_ below the line of sight.

Any internet search will say the horizon is either 3mi or 3.2 (eyes on the ground or 6 feet tall man) No one answered "can you see a 6 foot man at 5 miles in say a desert? Can you see a say 18foot ski of fishboat (approx 6 feet off waterline) at 5 miles? On the round earth model you can't according to math itself, flat earth model you can.

That is just simple math (for some or use the calculator) That cannot be debated, it's proven with math. Now how far can you see a 6 foot man in the desert, Rastus? Sell? Remember with nasa theory he disappears at 5 miles. I can and have, WAY over 5 miles.



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I really cracked up at this one. Bros are funny. One's tokin a reefer.

 



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Okay Shawnee... let's say we manage to get you a flight on one of Musks rockets, or a Blue origin capsle to propel you to heights where you could see the round earth (or at least one side of it) with your own eyes?

First, would you go? Second, if the world was indeed round and you only seen one side, would you still doubt your own eyes? Or would you conclude the Earth was round? 

I only ask because I don't think they offer actual orbits around earth just yet... but I'm sure it won't be long.

 



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